ZOOZ ZEN32 Big "Switch Button"

[mikek]

I have a ZEN32 scene controller installed. I understand the limitations of the four small buttons and that they are not really capable of scene control. I'm using them programmatically (it's a hassle but it works). Here's what I don't understand - 

I have disabled the relay function of the big switch button, which is supposed to make it act like the four small buttons. However, I don't see that button listed separately anywhere.

Has anyone figured this out?

Edited December 16 by mikek

[Geddy]

@mikek I'm not familiar with that device, but @kzboray had a post that might give more details from a couple of years ago. Take a look and see if it might help answer some questions (or raise even more). 

 

And here's a post from @brians that could also help:

 

[mikek]

Thanks @Geddy. I had read through both of those posts before I posted mine. They contain a lot of useful information, but unfortunately don't address my specific question.

[Geddy]

@mikek understood. Maybe somebody with this product has figured more out and can answer your question. 

[jkmcfadden]

I have several of the Zooz Zen32 controllers in both of my homes.  I like them, but as you might have noticed, they do not always play well with Insteon scenes.  The button you have listed above is the primary switch.  You can control On and Off with the eISY.  If you right click and "group" you will see a layout similar to how the Insteon keypads show up after grouping.  Mine is renamed as listed below. 

Interesting that you have a scene button 6 that I do not have.  Maybe that is what you are looking for?

My "big button" is wired to my ceiling lights in my bathroom, but I also have it controlled programmatically to turn on the sink light as well as the fan when it is switched on.

I have never had much (if any) luck using z-wave devices in scenes, though I do believe the Zen32 big button might work.  Because of this, I generally limit their use to single locations like bedrooms and bathrooms and only reference them programmatically

The secondary buttons, as you have found, are really only useful in programs.  I have previously documented my use as a ceiling fan controller combined with the Insteon ceiling fan module.

 

I like the Zooz product line.  They have a two-button as well that I use as fireplace control using the Zooz relay.

 

Good Luck!

Edited December 18 by jkmcfadden

[Chris K]

The big button is actually Scene button 5 once you disconnect it from the relay.

Edited Monday at 03:38 AM by Chris K

[xlurkr]

Have any of you Zen32 owners had a problem with the big button's actuation?  Mine often gets stuck in a depressed state - whether it sticks, or bounces back out, depends on where you tap it, how hard, and how fast.  It was so unpredictable that my SO made me remove it.  I replaced it with an Insteon relay, which works, but I lost the scene buttons and the Z-Wave repeating the Zen32 had provided.

-Tom

[mikek]

8 hours ago, Chris K said:

The big button is actually Scene button 5 once you disconnect it from the relay.

I had previously found this out by dumb luck, but thanks @Chris K for the confirmation. Strange that it's not documented anywhere (that I could find).

[mikek]

Thanks for all the information and examples @jkmcfadden. How are you dealing with your indicator lights? I'm having a hard time coming up with a simple solution to have them accurately represent status.  

[ldb]

I set configuration parameters 1-5 (on/off) and 6-10 (color) within associated programs to indicate status.

[jkmcfadden]

Hi @mikek for the button lighting status, I just set the parameter for the particular button in my program to either light on or light off.  For instance, this is my "turn the ceiling fan off" program which turns the status light of button 4 (lower right) on and turn the status lights of the other small buttons off. 

Based on my experience, there is no on or off status for these small buttons, but a program gets triggered as "Switched ON" when pressed.  If they do ever get out of sync (it happens rarely but occasionally) then just pressing a button clears everything up.

Parameter 2 is upper left, parameter 3 is upper right, parameter 4 is lower left and parameter 5 is lower right.  The setting of "2" turns the status light off and "3" turns it on.  It would have been nice if the parameter button matched the scene button number, but it is what it is.

U Bed1 Fan 4 Off - [ID 0032][Parent 0034]

If
        'U Bed1 Fan Light ZW / ZY 029 Scene Button 4' is switched On
 
Then
        Set 'U Bed1 Fan-Motor' Off
        Set 'U Bed1 Fan Light ZW' Set Configuration Parameter 2 = 2
        Set 'U Bed1 Fan Light ZW' Set Configuration Parameter 3 = 2
        Set 'U Bed1 Fan Light ZW' Set Configuration Parameter 4 = 2
        Set 'U Bed1 Fan Light ZW' Set Configuration Parameter 5 = 3
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

One final issue I discovered, the scene button 'if' must be based on a "control" status, not the "status" option in the selection drop down box.

 

[mikek]

Thanks again, @jkmcfadden. That was really helpful. I found two things I was doing wrong - (1) Trying to use LED parameter values = 1 (using the button press to control the LED) and (2) using "status" instead of "control status" in some of my programs. I'm not sure why I did that, other than I wasn't paying attention and didn't notice I had it both ways.

Do you do the same thing with the big button, or are you using that as a wired relay?

Edited Monday at 08:51 PM by mikek

[jkmcfadden]

Hi @mikek - for the big button, I have left it alone so I can reference the on and off status - even though in my ceiling fan setup I don't have a load wire installed.  I just use it to programmatically turn on and off the separate light option in the Insteon fan controller.  My Insteon fan controller is permanently wired "hot", so everything is controlled via the Zen32 keypad even though not physically wired.  I do have the "load" wired in my "bath" setup.  In that case, I also turn on and off a separate light (in addition to the light it is physically wired to) when the "big" button is pressed.

Edited 18 hours ago by jkmcfadden