Scene turned on by a program wont go to a brightness level

[JJJ]

Anyone else having issues with setting the brightness level on a scene?  I am running a program to set a three way light to 10%.  If I set the scene to 10% it always comes on at 100%.  If I choose the dimmer with the load attached, it works as it should.  As a work around I suppose I can just add all the dimmers in the scene individually, but this kind of defeats the purpose of having scenes.

 

2J6-SS 2-3 On Respond Dim - [ID 00A6][Parent 00B2][Not Enabled]

If
        From    Sunset  -  1 hour 
        To      Sunrise +  4 hours  (next day)
    And 'Devices / F3 / Foyer-C / 3C_3-Spiral Stairs, Upr-Light' Status is Off
 
Then
        $Stairs_Spiral_2_3  = 1
        Set 'Scenes / F2 / Stairs,Spiral-2O / 2O-Stair-Spiral Upr 3way' On 10%
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
 
If motion calls for the lights to respond it first runs the On Respond program.  
If the Kitchen lights are on then it turns the lights on 100%
If the Kitchen lights are not on, this program is called and sets the lights to 10% 
 

[paulbates]

Can you post the scene in question?

[IndyMike]

@JJJ, you are correct.  While there is a "feature" in the ISY programming to allow you to set a scene to a specific level, it doesn't work.

Turning the scene on to any level above 0% will simply execute the scene command at the stored device on levels.

Turning the scene on @0% will turn the scene off.

Insteon protocol does allow for scenes to be turned on to a level.  This feature may have been removed previously when other devices (Z-Wave) started to be included in scenes.

https://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/25805-is-set-scene-on-possible/

[mmb]

Yes, annoying.

[Javi]

It's due to how insteon processes scenes.  A command is not sent to individual devices it is sent to the Scene. A Scene has a predefined rampRate and onLevel (a preset). An Insteon Scene is more like a preset than a controlled group. For eisy to do this it would need to send a command to each device which would be out of sync (the same as sending a command to each device in a program).  Not only would be out of sync but would likely fail to trigger some devices due to traffic.

So to achieve what you are looking for you have two options.

1) (recommended) Create a new scene with all devices as responders, set the level to 10.  Then trigger the new scene from the program.  This will allow all devices to come to the specified level at the same time.

2) (not recommended, but this is how it would work if you physically held the switch to a desired on level) Trigger the Fade Up on the scene then Stop after some time.

[CoolToys]

Hey all, not sure about this.  In the AC, I can set both the on level for the device and the scene.  

Here is how I did it from another thread asking the same question.  I just ran both programs to verify it works.  So I think like @Javi, if you just create a new scene that sets the levels it will work.  I realize it isn't within the program itself but it could be an option?

Ever since HAI/Lutron days, I think of a scene as a mood.  When you change your mood it really is a new mood, so just make a new scene.

Hit switch, on 80%, IOX sends on it is on 75%, Send Scene on, it is on 50%
 

Edited Tuesday at 06:47 PM by CoolToys
why make a new scene added