This has been going on for a while.  I have tried installing wireless tag via pg2 and pg3x and it is the same result.  I have tried creating a whole new account with wireless tag to see if it was a quirk with the account and it didn't fix it.  The wireless tag account says that authorization has been granted.  But the nodeserver is not getting access.  It gives me an error when I authorize UD to access wireless tag.  Despite the error, wireless tag lists UD as having access, but like I said, the nodeserver denies that it has access.

This is the error message that comes up after I grant permission.

Despite the error, wireless tag lists UD as having access

 

 

I tried creating a new user account and I get the same result.  I have revoked access and regranted it multiple times and each time it is the same.

When I try to authorize, I get the following screen.

I click to authorize, and then I get that error screen.  If I click to deny, I also get the error screen with just one word different.

EDIT: Also, this used to work.  I had this same wireless tag account linked for years.  Something happened and I reinstalled the node and this is the result.

Edited October 6Oct 6 by apostolakisl

Am I the only one?  Has anyone else successfully authenticated wireless tag recently?  

I tried creating a new username and associated the same tag manager to that username and still get the same errors.  Wireless tag shows it is connected and has the correct LAN address of my PG, so it is receiving the correct info from PG authentication, but on the other end, PG is not receiving the correct info or is failing to accept the info despite it being correct.

I have tried this on both PG2 and PG3x running on different machines.

@apostolakisl nope, doesn't seem like you're the only one...from the sounds of it from @Jimbo.Automates it might be a bigger issue with the company that hosts the product. 

 

 

My other eisy works with its current configuration already in place (different wireless tag account as well), but it sounds like if I ever lost that and need to reconfigure it, I will lose that as well.

Yes, this is an issue with anyone trying to add a new one. I've emailed and created a ticket with the vendor with no response. I'm setting up a new eisy in my new home and trying to bring back to life an older wireless tags hub but have not been successful yet.

@apostolakisl Based on a few topics on here, more than a few of us have switched from wireless tags to YoLink. I had battery issues with the wireless tags and have had no issues with YoLink. You do need a YoLink hub. I'm not sure what you use your tags for, but YoLink was definitely an upgrade for me.

Ross

5 hours ago, Ross said:

@apostolakisl Based on a few topics on here, more than a few of us have switched from wireless tags to YoLink. I had battery issues with the wireless tags and have had no issues with YoLink. You do need a YoLink hub. I'm not sure what you use your tags for, but YoLink was definitely an upgrade for me.

Ross

Perhaps. I have all of my wirieless tags on usb power so that isn't an issue. I have on occasion had issues where I had to reset the wireless tags for whatever reason which was annoying. I haven't had one of those issues in quite a while, though, so perhaps they fixed something in the firrmware.

EDIT: I have the wireless tags set to 30 second updates which with it on usb power is no issue. I really like having the 30 second updates as I use these to monitor walkin fridges and freezers and having that smooth non-skipping temp graph has been very helpful in diagnosing issues. Will yo-link do resolution like that? And if so, will that kill the battery? I see they use 2x aa or aaa which is 3v. So I can't just plug them into the USB POE adapters I'm using for them now. I guess I could stop using POE and just plug 3v into the cat6 wire at the source and run that 3v directly into the battery terminals inside the units, but that is a lot of jury rigging. I also really like the wireless tag graphing they do on their app and website. Does Yo-link have all the features for zooming in/out changing scale and whatnot like wireless tag?

Edited Wednesday at 08:07 PM3 days by apostolakisl

55 minutes ago, apostolakisl said:

Will yo-link do resolution like that?

Not user definable like wireless tags are. That's one point where YoLink is behind, but like @Ross points out I've had much better reliability with YoLink than I did with wireless tag sensors (and I've used battery and usb powered sensors). To me the range and stability is much better with YoLink. I still have some wireless sensors running, but the errors I get with the hub and links to the sensors (within a mid size house) were too much for me. The YoLink updates on its own schedule, but seems to be if/when the temperature fluctuates within a few degrees. I don't really keep up with it (certainly not every 30 seconds). Mine is mostly if the fridge/freezer crash. I have a few in rooms just to keep up with how much the room temp changes during the day, but rarely look at them. Having a display on the device is nice if I walk by one I can just glance at it's current temp. The product offerings from YoLink are what won me over.

1 hour ago, apostolakisl said:

I also really like the wireless tag graphing they do on their app and website. Does Yo-link have all the features for zooming in/out changing scale and whatnot like wireless tag?

Yes, it graphs well. It will do current day or historical. And you can zoom in/out as you wish. You can move along the line to see the time of the temp change.

I started with the hub + 2 temp/humidity sensors from Amazon since it would deliver quick and allowed free returns if it didn't work like I wanted. Then added more sensors after I was pleased. Now I've got ~10 temp, 4 water, and 2 vibration.

Also, battery life has been great! My fridge batteries got low at just about 1 year so I replaced them. The freezer batteries lasted ~19 months. The room sensors are still on original batteries at 22 months and show "medium high" in IoX through the plugin. So I expect they'll last another year at least.

1 hour ago, Geddy said:

Not user definable like wireless tags are. That's one point where YoLink is behind, but like @Ross points out I've had much better reliability with YoLink than I did with wireless tag sensors (and I've used battery and usb powered sensors). To me the range and stability is much better with YoLink. I still have some wireless sensors running, but the errors I get with the hub and links to the sensors (within a mid size house) were too much for me. The YoLink updates on its own schedule, but seems to be if/when the temperature fluctuates within a few degrees. I don't really keep up with it (certainly not every 30 seconds). Mine is mostly if the fridge/freezer crash. I have a few in rooms just to keep up with how much the room temp changes during the day, but rarely look at them. Having a display on the device is nice if I walk by one I can just glance at it's current temp. The product offerings from YoLink are what won me over.

Yes, it graphs well. It will do current day or historical. And you can zoom in/out as you wish. You can move along the line to see the time of the temp change.

I started with the hub + 2 temp/humidity sensors from Amazon since it would deliver quick and allowed free returns if it didn't work like I wanted. Then added more sensors after I was pleased. Now I've got ~10 temp, 4 water, and 2 vibration.

Also, battery life has been great! My fridge batteries got low at just about 1 year so I replaced them. The freezer batteries lasted ~19 months. The room sensors are still on original batteries at 22 months and show "medium high" in IoX through the plugin. So I expect they'll last another year at least.

OK. I really don't have any issues with wireless tags, except not working with ISY anymore, at least the one hub. I think I am going to hold off. Changing batteries once per year is really something I am not interested in doing. I have lots of these in various locations and hooked them up to USB specifically because I had no interest in running that situation down. I have two other hubs in other locations that are still sync'd to ISY and, provided nothing happens to PG, they should stay that way. Hopefully this authorization issue will get worked out at some point.

2 hours ago, apostolakisl said:

Changing batteries once per year is really something I am not interested in doing

Only one device needed new batteries in a year. Others are still going strong almost 2 years later (and seem to be good for a while more even).

Glad your wireless tags are permanently powered…only some of mine were and they still will drop from the hub so I have to unplug occasionally (again…they aren’t super far from the hub…why do they drop?). The battery wireless tags seem to die every 3 months and I’ve trIed various brands of batteries….enough to where I just toss the tag away when the battery dies now since I refuse to change those batteries.

Hopefully wireless tags get support again soon, but the product is not reliable (IMO) to be willing to continue to try to use in my situation. I’m sure everybody has different experience. Just sharing mine.

1 hour ago, Geddy said:

Only one device needed new batteries in a year. Others are still going strong almost 2 years later (and seem to be good for a while more even).

Glad your wireless tags are permanently powered…only some of mine were and they still will drop from the hub so I have to unplug occasionally (again…they aren’t super far from the hub…why do they drop?). The battery wireless tags seem to die every 3 months and I’ve trIed various brands of batteries….enough to where I just toss the tag away when the battery dies now since I refuse to change those batteries.

Hopefully wireless tags get support again soon, but the product is not reliable (IMO) to be willing to continue to try to use in my situation. I’m sure everybody has different experience. Just sharing mine.

I have to replace my 6-8 batteries about once per 4-12 months, brand dependent. However I have found when one brand gives bad length of service, other brands also do. My conclusion s mots batteries are made by the same manufacturer. I have been trying to find brands manufactured in Japan. reports show some Panasonic and a few other brands are made in Japan and may last longer.

I don't use them with PGx but rather kumoapps code. Does the PG3 NS not allow programmable updates that could save battery power by reducing polling at nights etc..?

. I have 10 wireless tags and have never had to physically reboot any of them. I must be on at least 10 years on the oldest ones. I have had to do a "reset states" a few times. Though it has been a long time since that has been needed. Not sure if wireless tag changed something or just random timing. 4 of these are inside walkin coolers which are substantial 6 walled metal boxes and the signal gets through. I have all of them set to 30 second updates which gives me the resolution needed to track compressor and evaporator behavior precisely. Dealing with the refrigerator repair guy trying to tell you he fixed something and being able to prove he didn't has been very valuable.

@apostolakisl YoLink will not do every 30 seconds and can't be plugged in. So, I agree you should stick with your tags if that is important to you. They only update when the temperature changes by a set degree - that's how the battery life is prolonged. I find the sensors without a display last longer than the ones with a display. Good luck with your authorization issues.

1 hour ago, Ross said:

@apostolakisl YoLink will not do every 30 seconds and can't be plugged in. So, I agree you should stick with your tags if that is important to you. They only update when the temperature changes by a set degree - that's how the battery life is prolonged. I find the sensors without a display last longer than the ones with a display. Good luck with your authorization issues.

Can you set the temp interval or is it predefined? I could make this work just fine if I could set it to something like .5 degrees F.

Anything that takes a replaceable battery can be "hot wired" to an external power supply, I have done this many times, sometimes more invasively with soldering and whatnot, but usually I just cut a piece of dowl wood ~1/8 inch shorter than the length of a AA or AAA battery and drive screws into the ends that I use as screw down terminals for wires. I run the wire out a small notch I make in the battery door and connect to an external power supply.. For example, is something uses 2 AA batteries in series, I just put one screw in the end of each of 2 dowls and arrange the dowels such that it provides the 3v across the two correct end points. Then I plug into a 3v power source. 3v power supplies aren't so common, but they exist. If it is a 3 battery setup I will usually use a 5v power supply.

@apostolakisl Unfortunately, the sensors I use don't meet your 0.5F degree requirement. They may have sensors that do.

Per the manual of a water sensor I use, the temperature reading refreshes when one of the following conditions are met:.

1) The SET button has been pressed.

2) When temp is over 32°F, at least 1.8°F change over a period longer than 1 minute.

3) When temp is between 14°F and 32°F, at least 2.7°F change over a period longer than 1 minute.

4) When temp is between 5°F and 14°F, at least 3.6°F change over a period longer than 1 minute.

5) When temp is below 5°F, at least 9°F change over a period longer than 1 minute.

6) At least 3.6°F change within 1 minute.

7) Device alert level reached or restored to normal range.

8) Once an hour.

https://www.yosmart.com/support/YS8004-UC/docs/instruction.

BTW, I do admire folks who can talk "electricity" with ease. I'll give your power supply instructions a try sometime.

Ross

@Ross Yeah, those temp intervals are way too big to be of any use tracking a refrigeration system. Basically, it would only be helpful to tell me if the unit failed completely. Thanks for taking the time to look that up.

@apostolakisl If you can't get your tags to work, I suppose you could but 3-5 YoLink sensors in there. Then take the average (or lowest/highest?) temp of all of them?

It's like my digital picture frames, I have them all set to change once per 30 minutes, but that means one of them is changing every ~5 minutes.

Good luck,

Ross