Buzzed Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Could someone please explain the proper steps to take to link a keypadlinc & a togglelinc relay? The togglelinc controls the load and one of the buttons on the keypadlinc needs to be able to activate the togglelinc. I have tried all kinds of combinations of keypresses and nothing seems to work. Maybe I have this so messed up that I need to unlink 1st?
LeeG Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Define an ISY Scene (Link Management | New Scene). Add the KeypadLinc button and ToggleLinc as Controllers of the Scene (right click on each node and select Add to Scene...). This will cross-link the KeypadLinc button and ToggleLinc such that either will control the load and the status LEDs will stay in sync. Set button linking should not be done when using the ISY. There are some special devices that require a Set button link but these are identified in the User Guide or Wiki. Perhaps a factory reset on both devices and a Restore Device for each device to put the basic links back would be in order.
Buzzed Posted October 23, 2011 Author Posted October 23, 2011 To create a scene linking a keypadlinc that controls the load with 2 togglelinc relays the instructions say to create and name the scene which I did. It then goes on to say to (ctrl enter) all 3 of the controllers (highlighting all) and drag them to the scene which I can't seem to do. And if I click on any individual controller to drag it the screen changes from scene name to the particular controller that I clicked on. Can someone clear this mystery up for me please. UPDATE: I was finally able to figure out basic linking within the 99i however I still can't figure out a way to program a single button A, B, C, or D into a scene to control a togglelinc relay that actually controls the load. I see 'nodes' mentioned but for the life of me can't get them to show up.
LeeG Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 In the My Lighting tree KeypadLincs have a +/- sign to the left of the primary node. Click the + sign to expand the KeypadLinc such that each Secondary button node is listed. Right click on the Secondary button node and select Add to Scene .... option. Then select the Scene name. A ToggleLinc, a KeypadLinc Primary button, SwitchLinc, etc, whether physically controlling a load (red wire connected to load) or not (red wire capped) is linked as a Controller of the Scene. As many Controllers as desired to form a logical 3/4/5 way circuit may be added as a Controller.
Buzzed Posted October 23, 2011 Author Posted October 23, 2011 Lee I apologize I'm a newbie and having trouble with this, thanks for bearing with me. I have attached a screen shot showing 'my lighting' with the tree expanded yet I see no 'nodes' Both the front & rear floods are keypadlinc controllers.
LeeG Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Buzzed No problem at all. The Front Flood device is identified as an Unsupported Device type (just below the words Front Floods in the right pane). The ISY does not understand it is a KeypadLinc so the expected additional nodes have not been defined. That generally means the device cat/subcat values the device uses to identify itself is not known by the ISY firmware level currently being used. Probably a device that has been released after the ISY firmware was released. What ISY firmware is being used? (Help | About displays the firmware level) What is the specific Insteon device type number? (should be stamped on the device frame or box) Once we know the above information the solution will be to either go to the latest Beta that has support for that specific device or Delete the device and add it back to the ISY specifying the general device type from the Device Type pulldown. Lee
LeeG Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Buzzed The KeypadLinc is a Dual Band KeypadLinc Relay which was released well after 2.8.16. I’m guessing 2.8.16 is the firmware level being used as that is the latest Official release. That particular KeypadLinc type was added to one of the ISY v3 Beta images. You can either Delete the KeypadLinc and add it back specifying the Device Type 2486S/WH6 or 2486S/WH8 depending on whether this is a 6 button or 8 button KeypadLinc. Or you can upgrade to the latest Beta 3.1.10 using Help | Manually Update My Lighting. Refer to this link viewtopic.php?f=25&t=7108 for information on how to download and install the Beta. Lee
Buzzed Posted October 23, 2011 Author Posted October 23, 2011 Lee both Keypadlincs are 6-button using V6.0 The ISY is V2.8.16 If it's possible to manually add Device Type 2486S/WH6 I can do so, although I have yet to find anything/anywhere that asks for the type of controller being added/linked. I am also willing to update the firmware if all else fails.
LeeG Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Right click on the existing node for the KeypadLinc and select Delete. After the Delete is complete use Link Management | New INSTEON Device. Enter the Insteon Address, Name (your choice) and from the Device Type pulldown use 2486S/WH6. Use the default "remove existing links" option. The KeypadLinc will be added to the ISY with 5 nodes total. The first node represents the load control ON/OFF buttons. The next four nodes represent the Secondary KeypadLinc buttons A,B,C,D.
Buzzed Posted October 24, 2011 Author Posted October 24, 2011 Lee this all seems to be coming together nicely thank for your help. I do have a slight issue with one of the two Keypadlinc's. When I press button A it flashes twice before illuminating and when I press it a second time it flashes twice before shutting off. I have nothing currently programmed for this particular button. B, C, & D seem to work as they should. Might this Keypadlinc be seeking a previous link that no longer exists? I erased it from the lighting, then re-installed it using option a remove existing links, but nothing seemed to change.
Brian H Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Not common, but some Insteon Devices have been known to ship with test links and X10 addresses in them from the factory. Many of us always do a Factory Reset on a new module before installing them.
LeeG Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Buzzed Brian has a good suggestion regarding a Factory reset. I don’t think a link remains as the default “remove existing links†option should clear any old links plus the newest KeypadLinc firmware no longer flashes the button LED when a linked responder fails to answer. A consistent 2 blink is what non-toggle mode does to acknowledge the button press but the LED would not cycle On then Off with the next press. Whatever the cause the Factory reset should eliminate. Either Delete the KeypadLinc from the ISY, then Factory reset and test button before adding it back to the ISY, or Factory reset the KeypadLinc, test the button, then do a Restore Device. The factory reset clears the link database along with any other options that may be residual. The link database must be rewritten either by adding the device to the ISY again or by doing a Restore Device. Lee
Buzzed Posted October 24, 2011 Author Posted October 24, 2011 Lee as it turns out both keypadlinc's that just came must have had some sort of links/programming to at least some of the A, B, C, or D buttons. I did a remove links 1st then took the switches back to default and that immediately solved the problems. It could have saved me a couple of wasted hours yesterday if Smarthome would have recommended this procedure out of the box. I'll chalk this up to a learning experience, thanks for your patience and help Lee.
Brian H Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Well technically all the Insteon Devices should be factory reset before they ship them. So a note in the instructions should not be needed. That said sometime things get missed or rushed. If you did a factory reset that would also have cleared everything out. Including X10 addresses and set everything back to default.
LeeG Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 Buzzed Glad to hear things are working. As BLH indicated they should have come Factory Reset but some users have encountered problems with residual links/configuration presumably from testing before ship. It can be a good practice to Factory Reset most devices. Some like the 2 wire kit and I think a 3way SwitchLinc combo (not sure they still have this one) come with the devices prelinked to each other so a Factory Reset would undo the preconfiguration. Since the ISY makes it simple to cross-link devices there is not much to gain keeping the existing links. Lee
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