apostolakisl Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 This happens every now and then. I don't know why. I have a 6 button KPL V.2C in the master bedroom next to the bed. I have programmed one switch on that KPL to be lit when any number of lights in the house are not off (about 20 or so). Pushing that button shuts all of those lights off. I have programmed the off button on the kpl to turn the overhead lights in the master on to 25% if they are off and you push off. This program runs sometimes (rarely, like once/mo) when you run the other program. It happened last night. I checked the summary page and indeed the program to shut the lights off ran as expected and then 20 seconds later the other program ran and the master overheads turned on to 25%. There should be no way for that program to run unless someone physically pushes the "off" button. How could this be? I am confident my wife did not hit the wrong button (or both buttons). It has happened to me as well, and I know I didn't hit the wrong button. I do still have one of those KPL's that Michelle tells me gives false messages (2d), so I don't know if that could be the problem. But it seems like a stretch that the 2d KPL is triggering the program. If Status 'Master Bedroom / Master-Cans over Bed L' is Off And ( Control 'Master Bedroom / Master-Cans over Bed L' is switched Off Or Control 'Master Bedroom / Master-Keypad' is switched Off ) Then Set 'Master Bedroom / Master-Cans over Bed L' 25% Set 'Master Bedroom / Master-Keypad' 25% Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') If Control 'Master Bedroom / Master-Keypad / Mstr Bed Key B all off' is switched Off Then Set Scene 'Family Rm Ceil S' Off Set Scene 'Kitchen Puck S' Off Set Scene 'Kithchen Island S' Off Set Scene 'Upstairs Hall S' Off Set Scene 'Patio Lts S' Off Set Scene 'Frt Foyer Chandalier S' Off Set Scene 'Exterior Lights S' Off Set Scene 'Dining Rm Chand S' Off Set Scene 'Barrell Hall S' Off Set Scene 'Back Hall S' Off Set 'Kitchen / Butlers Pantry-Puck L' Off Set 'Garage / Garage-Floures L' Off Set 'Breakfast Room / Breakfast Rm-Chand L' Off Set 'Family Room / Family Rm-Over MantleLt L' Off Set 'Kitchen / Kitchen-Over Sink L' Off Set Scene 'Night Routine S' Off Set 'Living Room / Living Rm-Couch Lamps L' Off Set 'Living Room / Living Rm-Wine Rm L' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Link to comment
oberkc Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I doubt I can think of anything you have not already considered. Certainly, I see nothing in the programs which would cause this. My first reaction is to check the log for events occurring when the program-in-question ran unexpectently. From that, perhaps it would be possible to identify the offending device or program. Absence of any evidence suggests a gremlin somewhere. Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 apostolakisl, I suspect KPL 2D ... If you believe the program is the issue, please do be kind enough to post here: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=7633. We are collecting all programs/logs/issues relating to programs not behaving properly in one place so that perhaps we can figure out how to reproduce and fix. With kind regards, Michel Link to comment
apostolakisl Posted December 19, 2011 Author Share Posted December 19, 2011 Here is the log. Sorry it is long because the program triggers a lot of stuff. I will copy it over to that other page. The first line is the status of the "all off" keypad button going to 0 when my wife pushed it. The last line is the overhead lights turning on to 25% (erroneously). I don't know how much you clean get from this since it is not the detailed view, but you can't get that after the fact. Master Bedroom / Master-Keypad / Mstr Bed Key B all off Status 0% Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:34 PM System Log Scene:Family Rm Ceil S Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:35 PM Program Log Scene:Kitchen Puck S Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:35 PM Program Log Scene:Kithchen Island S Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:35 PM Program Log Scene:Upstairs Hall S Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:35 PM Program Log Scene:Patio Lts S Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:35 PM Program Log Scene:Frt Foyer Chandalier S Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:35 PM Program Log Scene:Exterior Lights S Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:35 PM Program Log Scene:Dining Rm Chand S Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:35 PM Program Log Scene:Barrell Hall S Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:35 PM Program Log Scene:Back Hall S Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:35 PM Program Log Dining Room / Dining Rm @ Liv-Chand Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:35 PM Program Log Garage / Garage-Floures L Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:35 PM Program Log Playroom / Playroom-Center Lt L Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:35 PM Program Log Family Room / Family Rm-Over MantleLt L Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:35 PM Program Log Kitchen / Kitchen Intercom-Puck L Status 0% Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:35 PM System Log Kitchen / Kitchen Micro-Puck Status 0% Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:35 PM System Log Kitchen / Kitchen Corner-Puck Status 0% Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:35 PM System Log Kitchen / Kitchen-Over Sink L Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:36 PM Program Log Scene:Night Routine S Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:36 PM Program Log Living Room / Living Rm-Couch Lamps L Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:36 PM Program Log Living Room / Living Rm-Wine Rm L Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:37 PM Program Log Scene:Master Keypad B On 255 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:37 PM Program Log X10 A6 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:38 PM System Log Master Bedroom / Master-Cans over Bed L On 63 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:38 PM Program Log Master Bedroom / Master-Keypad On 63 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:38 PM Program Log X10 A6 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:38 PM System Log X10 A6 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:39 PM System Log Scene:Master keypad A Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:40 PM Program Log Scene:Master Keypad B On 255 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:40 PM Program Log X10 A6 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:40 PM System Log Upstairs Hall / Upstairs-Arches L Status 0% Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:42 PM System Log Living Room / Living Rm-Piano L Status 0% Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:42 PM System Log Dining Room / Dining Room-China Cab L Status 0% Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:42 PM System Log Foyer / Foyer-Niche L Status 0% Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:42 PM System Log Family Room / Family Rm-Lamp L Status 0% Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:42 PM System Log Foyer / Foyer@Stairs-Chandalier / Foyer@Stairs-Upstairs Arches Status 0% Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:42 PM System Log Living Room / Living Rm-Eyeball L Status 0% Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:42 PM System Log Foyer / Foyer-Mstr Vestibule Nook L Status 0% Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:42 PM System Log X10 A6 On (3) Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:43 PM System Log A10 a6 1 Status 100% Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:43 PM System Log Master Bedroom / Master-Keypad / Mstr Bed Key B all off Status 100% Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:44 PM System Log Scene:Master keypad A Off 0 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:44 PM Program Log Scene:Master Keypad B On 255 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:44 PM Program Log X10 A6 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:44 PM System Log Scene:Master Keypad B On 255 Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:45 PM Program Log Master Bedroom / Master-Cans over Bed L Status 25% Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:45 PM System Log Master Bedroom / Master-Keypad / Mstr Bed Key A Kitchen S Status 0% Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:45 PM System Log Master Bedroom / Master-Keypad Status 25% Sat 2011/12/17 10:58:45 PM System Log Link to comment
oberkc Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 My, oh my! That is a lot of reaction to a single button press. It appears to me that the total reaction to the initial button press to the end of response being about 11 seconds, at which point there is a 13-second delay until the last two actions. I also note, with interest, the X-10 action. Unfortunately, I am not smart enough to see the hoped-for smoking gun (assuming that there is one). Perhaps this is a bug associated with KPL version 2D. The thoughts that go through my head are: -Is the device 'Master Bedroom / Master-Keypad / Mstr Bed Key B' also a scene controller? -What devices have address A6? Is 'Master-Cans over Bed L' or 'Master-Keypad' one of them? -What scenes include 'Master-Cans over Bed L' or 'Master-Keypad'? Based on my understanding of program triggers, a control would only trigger by a direct press of that device. Given this, I don't see how other programs or scenes would initiate your first program. Drawing a blank here. Link to comment
apostolakisl Posted December 19, 2011 Author Share Posted December 19, 2011 The x10 a6 is unrelated. It is a motion sensor. Mostly it is a whole bunch of scenes that get shut off and then all the status reports from all the devices in those scenes. I have thought maybe of making one big scene with all those things in it. It would reduce Insteon traffic. But that is a big scene. Link to comment
apostolakisl Posted December 20, 2011 Author Share Posted December 20, 2011 The switch is now doing it every time. I confirmed that the program below is running the then clause and turning the lights on. This brings me to the only two possibilities. 1) The switch is sending the wrong address (button b is sending the main off as well as b off) 2) ISY is seeing button b turn off and erroneously interpreting that as the main off. I did try factory resetting the KPL and restoring it. That did not fix the problem. If Status 'Master Bedroom / Master-Cans over Bed L' is Off And ( Control 'Master Bedroom / Master-Cans over Bed L' is switched Off Or Control 'Master Bedroom / Master-Keypad' is switched Off ) Then Set 'Master Bedroom / Master-Cans over Bed L' 25% Set 'Master Bedroom / Master-Keypad' 25% Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Link to comment
LeeG Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Have you run an Event Viewer now that it is happening all the time? That will show what the KPL is sending. Link to comment
Chris Jahn Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Hi apostolakisl, Thanks for the update, if this happens every time please do two things: 1. - Turn on the event viewer, and select the highest level of logging (Device communication events). - Reproduce the problem, and post the events you see in the event viewer. 2. - Create a new program with identical conditions, but just increment a variable in the then path (no other actions). - Reproduce the problem, and see if the new program runs the then/else the same as your original program (by watching changes in the variable). Link to comment
apostolakisl Posted December 20, 2011 Author Share Posted December 20, 2011 The KPL is 05.15.36 I have some noise in the system right now. I have ordered a filter. If it helps, I could turn off the breaker that I know is creating noise and do it again, although not till I get home. This is from this am. And Jahn, I could write that program, but I can 100% confirm the "then" clause ran as I had the laptop in hand when I pushed the button and watched the program summary as it said "running then". It took 4 or 5 seconds before that program ran. The primary program ran immediately. I could make one giant scene with all those lights if you think it would help. I do believe that would reduce insteon traffic quite a lot. I don't know of any downside to such a huge scene, perhaps you could comment. 6:51:58 AM : CLI-WBug: Connecting to datafeed.weatherbug.com 6:51:58 AM : CLI-WBug: Successfully Processed WBug Response 6:52:07 AM : [ELK 0 19 0] Zone : Kitchen Motion : Violated (51/2/0) 6:52:07 AM : [ELK 0 19 0] Zone : Kitchen Motion : Open (52/1/0) 6:52:13 AM : [ELK 0 19 0] Zone : Kitchen Motion : Normal (51/0/0) 6:52:13 AM : [ELK 0 19 0] Zone : Kitchen Motion : EOL (52/2/0) 6:52:25 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 00.00.04 C7 13 00 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:25 AM : [standard-Group][05.15.36-->Group=4] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 6:52:25 AM : [ 5 15 36 4] DOF 0 6:52:25 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 19.75.34 41 13 04 LTOFFRR(04) 6:52:25 AM : [standard-Cleanup][05.15.36-->ISY/PLM Group=4] Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 6:52:25 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 19.75.34 42 13 04 LTOFFRR(04) 6:52:25 AM : [standard-Cleanup][05.15.36-->ISY/PLM Group=4] Max Hops=2, Hops Left=0 6:52:26 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 19.75.34 47 13 04 LTOFFRR(04) 6:52:26 AM : [standard-Cleanup][05.15.36-->ISY/PLM Group=4] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 6:52:26 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.10 CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:27 AM : [ 5 15 36 4] ST 0 6:52:27 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.14 CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:27 AM : [ 5 15 36 1] DOF 4 6:52:27 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.15 CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:27 AM : [ 16 14 69 1] ST 0 6:52:28 AM : [ 16 31 B6 1] ST 0 6:52:28 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.17 CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:28 AM : [ 12 27 C4 1] ST 0 6:52:28 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1A CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:29 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.24 CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:29 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.22 CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:30 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.23 CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:30 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.12 CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:31 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.13 CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:31 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1D CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:32 AM : [ 16 1C 78 1] ST 0 6:52:32 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 0D.C0.60 0F 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:32 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 0D.C0.60 19.75.34 23 13 00 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:32 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][0D.C0.60-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=0 6:52:32 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 0F.85.FA 0F 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:33 AM : [ 7 7E A6 1] ST 0 6:52:33 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 0D.18.B3 0F 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:33 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 0D.18.B3 0F 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00): Received an ACK for a different device 6:52:33 AM : [ 18 BB 19 1] ST 0 6:52:33 AM : [ 13 42 65 1] ST 0 6:52:33 AM : [ 6 54 2B 1] ST 0 6:52:33 AM : [ 0 7B 38 5] ST 0 6:52:33 AM : [ D 19 7C 1] ST 0 6:52:33 AM : [ 16 40 DE 1] ST 0 6:52:33 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 0F.85.FA 19.75.34 27 13 00 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:33 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][0F.85.FA-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 6:52:33 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 1B.28.71 0F 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:34 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 0D.18.B3 19.75.34 23 13 00 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:34 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][0D.18.B3-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=0 6:52:34 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 13.46.B5 0F 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:34 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 13.46.B5 0F 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00): Received an ACK for a different device 6:52:34 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 1B.28.71 19.75.34 2B 13 00 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:34 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][1B.28.71-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 6:52:35 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 12.24.E6 0F 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:35 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 13.46.B5 19.75.34 2B 13 00 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:35 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][13.46.B5-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 6:52:35 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 12.24.E6 19.75.34 27 13 00 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:35 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][12.24.E6-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 6:52:35 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 12.29.64 0F 11 3F 06 LTONRR (3F) 6:52:36 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 12.29.64 19.75.34 27 11 3F LTONRR (3F) 6:52:36 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][12.29.64-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 6:52:36 AM : [ 12 29 64 1] ST 63 6:52:36 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 05.15.36 0F 11 3F 06 LTONRR (3F) 6:52:36 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1F CF 11 00 06 LTONRR (00) 6:52:36 AM : [ 5 15 36 4] ST 255 6:52:36 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 19.75.34 27 11 3F LTONRR (3F) 6:52:36 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][05.15.36-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 6:52:36 AM : [ 5 15 36 1] ST 63 6:52:37 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1F CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:37 AM : [ 5 15 36 4] ST 0 6:52:48 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 12.29.64 00.00.01 C7 13 00 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:48 AM : [standard-Group][12.29.64-->Group=1] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 6:52:48 AM : [ 12 29 64 1] DOF 0 6:52:48 AM : [ 5 15 36 1] ST 0 6:52:48 AM : [ 12 29 64 1] ST 0 6:52:58 AM : CLI-WBug: Connecting to datafeed.weatherbug.com 6:52:58 AM : CLI-WBug: Successfully Processed WBug Response 6:53:05 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 16.31.B6 00.00.01 CB 11 00 LTONRR (00) 6:53:05 AM : [standard-Group][16.31.B6-->Group=1] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 6:53:06 AM : [ 16 31 B6 1] DON 0 6:53:06 AM : [ 16 14 69 1] ST 255 6:53:06 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 16.31.B6 19.75.34 41 11 01 LTONRR (01) 6:53:06 AM : [standard-Cleanup][16.31.B6-->ISY/PLM Group=1] Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 6:53:06 AM : [ 16 31 B6 1] ST 255 6:53:06 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.1F CF 11 00 06 LTONRR (00) 6:53:06 AM : [ 12 27 C4 1] ST 255 6:53:06 AM : [ 5 15 36 4] ST 255 6:53:09 AM : [ELK 0 19 0] Zone : Kitchen Motion : Violated (51/2/0) 6:53:09 AM : [ELK 0 19 0] Zone : Kitchen Motion : Open (52/1/0) 6:53:11 AM : [ELK 0 19 0] Zone : Kitchen Motion : Normal (51/0/0) 6:53:11 AM : [ELK 0 19 0] Zone : Kitchen Motion : EOL (52/2/0) 6:53:12 AM : [ELK 0 19 0] Zone : Kitchen Motion : Violated (51/2/0) 6:53:12 AM : [ELK 0 19 0] Zone : Kitchen Motion : Open (52/1/0) 6:53:14 AM : [ELK 0 19 0] Zone : Kitchen Motion : Normal (51/0/0) 6:53:15 AM : [ELK 0 19 0] Zone : Kitchen Motion : EOL (52/2/0) Link to comment
LeeG Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Chris Major comm. problem. The ACK from the PLM is not making it back to the KeypadLinc causing the KPL to retry the Group Cleanup Direct. Makes it look like another KPL button press where the Group Broadcast was lost. Note the increase in Max Hop count by the KPL on each retry. 6:52:25 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 00.00.04 C7 13 00 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:25 AM : [standard-Group][05.15.36-->Group=4] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 6:52:25 AM : [ 5 15 36 4] DOF 0 6:52:25 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 19.75.34 41 13 04 LTOFFRR(04) 6:52:25 AM : [standard-Cleanup][05.15.36-->ISY/PLM Group=4] Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 6:52:25 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 19.75.34 42 13 04 LTOFFRR(04) 6:52:25 AM : [standard-Cleanup][05.15.36-->ISY/PLM Group=4] Max Hops=2, Hops Left=0 6:52:26 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 19.75.34 47 13 04 LTOFFRR(04) 6:52:26 AM : [standard-Cleanup][05.15.36-->ISY/PLM Group=4] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 6:52:26 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.10 CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:27 AM : [ 5 15 36 4] ST 0 Link to comment
apostolakisl Posted December 20, 2011 Author Share Posted December 20, 2011 Chris Major comm. problem. The ACK from the PLM is not making it back to the KeypadLinc causing the KPL to retry the Group Cleanup Direct. Makes it look like another KPL button press where the Group Broadcast was lost. Note the increase in Max Hop count by the KPL on each retry. 6:52:25 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 00.00.04 C7 13 00 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:25 AM : [standard-Group][05.15.36-->Group=4] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 6:52:25 AM : [ 5 15 36 4] DOF 0 6:52:25 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 19.75.34 41 13 04 LTOFFRR(04) 6:52:25 AM : [standard-Cleanup][05.15.36-->ISY/PLM Group=4] Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 6:52:25 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 19.75.34 42 13 04 LTOFFRR(04) 6:52:25 AM : [standard-Cleanup][05.15.36-->ISY/PLM Group=4] Max Hops=2, Hops Left=0 6:52:26 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 19.75.34 47 13 04 LTOFFRR(04) 6:52:26 AM : [standard-Cleanup][05.15.36-->ISY/PLM Group=4] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 6:52:26 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.10 CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:27 AM : [ 5 15 36 4] ST 0 Yeah, I know about that and anticipate having it fixed shortly. But I don't understand how a program that is supposed to only trigger from the "main off" on that KPL is getting triggered by button "b". It should be able to repeat commands a million times. The program is a "switched on" program so only a direct press of the button should be able to do it. Link to comment
LeeG Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I think that is why Chris wanted a NEW Program with the same trigger arrangement to see if this specific Program has an issue or the If configuration in general. Link to comment
apostolakisl Posted December 21, 2011 Author Share Posted December 21, 2011 And also, I did pull the hard disconnect tab on the one 2d kpl I have just to get that out of the equation. That didn't fix the problem. And I did add the variable counter program. I just tested it, but it worked properly (no false trigger), so I guess it has stopped doing it every time. Link to comment
Chris Jahn Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Hi Guys, 6:52:25 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 00.00.04 C7 13 00 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:25 AM : [standard-Group][05.15.36-->Group=4] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 6:52:25 AM : [ 5 15 36 4] DOF 0 6:52:25 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 19.75.34 41 13 04 LTOFFRR(04) 6:52:25 AM : [standard-Cleanup][05.15.36-->ISY/PLM Group=4] Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 6:52:25 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 19.75.34 42 13 04 LTOFFRR(04) 6:52:25 AM : [standard-Cleanup][05.15.36-->ISY/PLM Group=4] Max Hops=2, Hops Left=0 6:52:26 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 19.75.34 47 13 04 LTOFFRR(04) 6:52:26 AM : [standard-Cleanup][05.15.36-->ISY/PLM Group=4] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 6:52:26 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.10 CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:27 AM : [ 5 15 36 4] ST 0 6:52:27 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.14 CF 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) 6:52:27 AM : [ 5 15 36 1] DOF 4 I noticed that ISY thinks 'Master Bedroom / Master Keypad' was pressed, but I'm not seeing the traffic that would tell us its been pressed. 6:52:27 AM : [ 5 15 36 1] DOF 4 I'd normally expect to see the following prior to that event ... [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 00.00.01 C7 13 00 LTOFFRR(00) ... but instead we are receiving the cleanup messages but interpreting them incorrectly (i.e. treating the following as DOF for the main button, not button 4 (Button [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 19.75.34 47 13 04 LTOFFRR(04) I'm trying to recreate this problem now. Can you please tell me what the exact device type is for 'Master Bedroom / Master-Cans over Bed L' ? Link to comment
apostolakisl Posted December 21, 2011 Author Share Posted December 21, 2011 It's a 2476d v37. Link to comment
apostolakisl Posted December 21, 2011 Author Share Posted December 21, 2011 OK, so I added the program to do the counter thing in variables. It took 4 tries of hitting the button b on the kpl but on the fourth try it did falsley execute both that program (increasing the variable by 1) and the program to turn the lights on to 25%. Link to comment
apostolakisl Posted December 21, 2011 Author Share Posted December 21, 2011 I went ahead and disabled all programs on the ISY to elliminate as many variables as possible and to clean up the log from extranous activity. I only lef these two programs active. If Status 'Master Bedroom / Master-Cans over Bed L' is Off And ( Control 'Master Bedroom / Master-Cans over Bed L' is switched Off Or Control 'Master Bedroom / Master-Keypad' is switched Off ) Then $itest += 1 Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') If Status 'Master Bedroom / Master-Cans over Bed L' is Off And ( Control 'Master Bedroom / Master-Cans over Bed L' is switched Off Or Control 'Master Bedroom / Master-Keypad' is switched Off ) Then Set 'Master Bedroom / Master-Cans over Bed L' 25% Set 'Master Bedroom / Master-Keypad' 25% Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') I then turned button B off. The first time, it just shut off and nothing else happened. I turned it back on and turned it off again. This time both programs falsely ran. 5.15.36 is the KPL, 12.29.64 is the 2476D switch that carries the load. 0Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:30 PM : [ 5 15 36 4] DON 0 1Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:30 PM : [ 5 15 36 4] ST 255 2Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:31 PM : [ 5 15 36 1] DON 4 3Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:31 PM : [ 5 15 36 1] ST 127 4Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:31 PM : [ 12 29 64 1] ST 132 5Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:33 PM : [ 5 15 36 4] DOF 0 6Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:33 PM : [ 5 15 36 4] ST 0 7Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:33 PM : [ 5 15 36 1] DOF 4 8Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:33 PM : [ 5 15 36 1] ST 0 9Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:33 PM : [ 12 29 64 1] ST 0 10Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:38 PM : [ 5 15 36 4] DON 0 11Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:38 PM : [ 5 15 36 4] ST 255 12Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:40 PM : [ 5 15 36 4] DOF 0 13Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:40 PM : [ 5 15 36 4] ST 0 14Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:40 PM : [ 5 15 36 1] DOF 4 15Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:41 PM : [ 12 29 64 1] ST 63 16Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:42 PM : [ 5 15 36 1] ST 63 Link to comment
LeeG Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 You need to have the Event Log of the failure versus no failure. I suspect it fails when the KPL does not receive any of the ACKs and retries the Group Cleanup Direct multiple times. Not saying the comm problems are the failure, only that they precipitate the failure. The Event Trace showed a problem before but a single trace does always indicate the source of the actual problem. The highlighted line is the issue but it is the result. What was the sequence of command flow that lead to that result. Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:40 PM : [ 5 15 36 4] DOF 0 Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:40 PM : [ 5 15 36 4] ST 0 Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:40 PM : [ 5 15 36 1] DOF 4 Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:41 PM : [ 12 29 64 1] ST 63 Wed 12/21/2011 5:40:42 PM : [ 5 15 36 1] ST 63 Link to comment
apostolakisl Posted December 22, 2011 Author Share Posted December 22, 2011 You are looking at a log that contains both a correct and incorrect execution. Above is the log of me doing it twice. The first time I pushed button b, the program did not run (which is correct), the second time the programs did run (which is wrong). Link to comment
LeeG Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Sorry, an Event Log with Device communications events selected. I don't think of an Event Log at any other level worth the paper it is printed on for diagnosing a problem. Hard to know the cause when only the results are shown. Link to comment
apostolakisl Posted December 22, 2011 Author Share Posted December 22, 2011 Sorry, an Event Log with Device communications events selected. I don't think of an Event Log at any other level worth the paper it is printed on for diagnosing a problem. Hard to know the cause when only the results are shown. Device communication events was selected. Link to comment
apostolakisl Posted December 22, 2011 Author Share Posted December 22, 2011 I did it again. Wed 12/21/2011 8:01:54 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 19.75.34 41 13 04 LTOFFRR(04) Wed 12/21/2011 8:01:54 PM : [standard-Cleanup][05.15.36-->ISY/PLM Group=4] Ma x Hops=1, Hops Le ft=0 Wed 12/21/2011 8:01:54 PM : [ 5 15 36 1] DOF 4 Wed 12/21/2011 8:01:54 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 19.75.34 42 13 04 LTOFFRR(04) Wed 12/21/2011 8:01:54 PM : [standard-Cleanup][05.15.36-->ISY/PLM Group=4] Ma x Hops=2, Hops Le ft=0 Wed 12/21/2011 8:01:55 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 12.29.64 0F 11 3F 06 LTONRR (3F) Wed 12/21/2011 8:01:55 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 12.29.64 19.75.34 27 11 3F LTONRR (3F) Wed 12/21/2011 8:01:55 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][12.29.64-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, H ops Left=1 Wed 12/21/2011 8:01:55 PM : [ 12 29 64 1] ST 63 Wed 12/21/2011 8:01:55 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 05.15.36 0F 11 3F 06 LTONRR (3F) Wed 12/21/2011 8:01:55 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 19.75.34 27 11 3F LTONRR (3F) Wed 12/21/2011 8:01:55 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][05.15.36-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, H ops Left=1 Wed 12/21/2011 8:01:55 PM : [ 5 15 36 1] ST 63 Above is impropper Below is propper Wed 12/21/2011 8:02:31 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 00.00.04 C7 13 00 LTOFFRR(00) Wed 12/21/2011 8:02:31 PM : [standard-Group][05.15.36-->Group=4] Max Hops=3, H ops Left=1 Wed 12/21/2011 8:02:31 PM : [ 5 15 36 4] DOF 0 Wed 12/21/2011 8:02:31 PM : [ 5 15 36 4] ST 0 Wed 12/21/2011 8:02:31 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.15.36 19.75.34 41 13 04 LTOFFRR(04) Wed 12/21/2011 8:02:31 PM : [standard-Cleanup][05.15.36-->ISY/PLM Group=4] M ax Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Link to comment
LeeG Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Slightly different sequence, the Group Broadcast was not received from the KPL which is different from the first trace but multiple Group Cleanup Directs are being sent from the KPL which is consistent with the first trace. The ACKs are not being received by the KPL. I think this trace entry represents the ISY posting the Primary Node Off when multiple Group Cleanup Direct messages are received for button 4. Wed 12/21/2011 8:01:54 PM : [ 5 15 36 1] DOF 4 This entry does not occur in the working trace. No messages from the KPL were missed and only one Group Cleanup Direct was received indicating the KPL did receive the ACK from the PLM. Link to comment
LeeG Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Now we wait for the analysis being done by Chris. The last two traces show definitively it works when comm is good, it fails when the comm between the PLM and KPL fail. Of course the comm problem can be resolved and not wait for an ISY change, if the answer is with the ISY. That is still an assumption on my part. Link to comment
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