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Pretty much! [emoji30][emoji45][emoji53][emoji55] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You know what is funny about this whole thing. Google always screamed loud to the world how they wanted to be so open source, adaptive, privacy for all, blah blah. They are just as evil as any other money grubbing company I have seen or worked for. Their only goal is to collect, aggregate as much of your data and resell it for profit. Evil Google will someday become SkyNET. [emoji35] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

LOL . . . Just monitor it and report back any issues. Happy New Years!

It really comes down to how you expect it to operate and whether you're happy with its operations. Given, you had this installed for years with out issue in terms of how it reports its door state. You can certainly change it to what ever suites your needs or wants. For me so long as the sensor reflects the GDO in my KPL's, ISY UI, Mobilinc in human form that makes sense. I don't care how its installed as long as it makes sense to the lay person.

The state of the sensor is dependent upon the type of sensor used and how its wired. The older units came with the super large and (awesome) dual option of either N.C. vs N.O contacts. The newer (cheaper) kit comes with only one option and I believe its N.O?? The relay state does not matter as it changes state quickly and always shows a ON. The only thing that matters is the Sensor state of either ON / OFF. If the (sensor) shows off with the GDO door closed this is the most common and accepted method of use. The reverse is also true when the GDO is open the sensor will show ON. Those who have purchased the newer style either had to live with the backwards sensor state or change out the sensor. Please keep us in the loop when the mercury drops further and how the GDO operates.

Is the device now installed in the garage? If so does it operate fine now?

On a small tangent this is similar to seeing the device communications retries from 0-9. Even though supposedly this has been long part of the protocol there has been very little discussed about this feature and how it ultimately impacts COM's. It also on the surface flies in the face of the max hop of three which is supposed to be the standard. I believe lots of interesting things are going to be seen and shaken out of the tree in 2015. In the big picture based on some discussions I've had with others some great things are coming down the Insteon pipe.

Yes, as the attributes are held in the ISY.

As I understand how it works based on what we know now. A message is sent and it has three tries to do so in an allocated period of time. It must always use up one hop to start and to get to the receiver device. It would thus have only two more tries to retransmit the command. What I have been seeing in the last few months is a change in behavior in how these hops are being reflected to us via the Level 3 reporting page. It could be this is due to a change in ISY firmware or Insteon device hardware (firmware). In the last few months I have seen what appears to be i3CS features and COM attributes being incorporated into various existing and new products. For example we have never seen resume dim, message clean up, repeat hops, variable settings for low battery, variable heart beat, etc. These are features spoken about in other forums and threads so the fact the OP shows three hops left leaves me to believe its either a COM issue. Or the new Level 3 logs are showing us information portrayed in a different manner than we have come to expect, or see. Back on topic to the OP: Since the device doesn't work now simply bring it inside let it warm up and report back operations of the relay when pushed manually and via the ISY.

I only mention the COM's because it did not decrement by 1. He had a initial three and a final three left over. Which in our experience is impossible because that would mean nothing was sent or received, no? [emoji46] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It could be the cold or its failing. Since you already did s factory reset I would confirm all the wiring is firm and sound. Don't just look at it pull on the wires to ensure they are tight and inserted. If in doubt remove one wire at a time inspect and insert back. Do the same thing for the GDO side. If you have a small heater try to warm up the unit and report back success / failure. I've had mine in the garage for more than five years and in -45'C weather and has worked like a champ. To be fair to Smartlabs this is well outside the operating range so can't throw stones at them in my case. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

No, there is no method I am aware of that will disable local control via a program. I have only seen LED, Beep, Toggle, Mutual exclusive, cross linking while using 8 buttons in a 6 button frame (wide button use). This also does not cover any kind of *options* that can be configured via the UI. There is a program lock but that simply stops a person from making changes but does not stop them from using the switches.

You mean from it even working locally?

Michael, Can you expand on that statement a little?

Anything is possible you could simply hard reset it and use the restore device afterwards and see.

Based on the trace it says you have bad COM's.

Insteon over the years has improved their QA since launch. Having said this you need to know the actual current draw of the sump pump motor and this does not take into account the starting current. In rush current to start a pump can be five times the normal duty cycle for the briefest of seconds. This along with CEMF (counter electro magnetic field) are what kill sensitive electronics when the field collapses. I know the latest dual outlet is made sturdier than its previous generation brother. But, there is no guarantee that large spikes and in rush current will not cause a lock up.

You should also check to see if the ISY is being blocked by any in suite fire wall / anti virus. If so please do white list the ISY for access so this isn't an issue. This may also be a case where a browsers pop up settings have changed or set too high. Another thing to check is to use in private browsing and see if it makes a difference if the above does not work.

NOTE: There are actually three distinct issues with respect to the keys. One is that the actual physical keys are either whiter or darker. The other is when the keys are back lit even when looking at the same outside color (it looks the same hue of white) when they are lit this is where you see whiter or yellow. The last issue is when you receive or have older KPL keys and the actual OEM green is slightly different. Most people would not notice this at first glance but anyone who is keen in photography or where visuals are important will notice right away. Regardless of all of the above using custom keys, along with the 25 / 50 pack is one of the best things you can do for that professional and custom look. Lots of people bag on Insteon (including myself when warranted) but they hands down have the best selection, looks, and feel of any HA device. UPB, Z-Wave, Lutron, all look and feel like complete aszz.

OP, All of us were right there where you are now. You get the HA bug and you try to think about all the things you want to automate and make life easier. Nothing wrong with that, so long as you fully understand the limitations and potential risks involved. Insteon has never been endorsed or sold as a life saving, security, or risk management solution. Insteon is a great secondary solution for a primary system in place. If there was ever a time the KISS principle applied it would be in this situation. Given you already know seasonal rains brings lots of water that must be evacuated from the sump do you really want to come home to find out a surge event locked up the outlet?? There are also a few people who are dealing with a ALL ON / ALL OFF situation which I hope you never experience. Imagine if the system turned off both outlets when rainy season was upon you? The only three things I ever suggest and recommend is: Install a Type 3 surge outlet in place, install a back up sump pump, install a battery back up system in case of a power failure. Using any combination of Insteon you can receive alert notifications and have the system react and do something else. It doesn't matter if it turns on a siren, strobe, light, telephone you, sms, e-mail.

The font looks super dark and bolded unless this is a photo issue. The one thing I do is ensure if a KPL is being customized I do the entire frame. Also order all at the same time. Experience has taught me this reduces variability. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I can tell you from personal experience you better pass on automating the power control to the sump pump. I would suggest you use Insteon to monitor, alert, and do something else. Don't use Insteon to power the pump. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

What your showing is actually typical of what I have seen. The problem is when SH flip flops between the two plastic colors. There are actually three problems here. One is the OEM keys that come in the KPL. The other is the 25/50 set kits. The last is the custom keys. This also depends what year you purchased the sets from. I have four sets of the 50 kit and two are different then the other two. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yes, its more than likely you will find some of the keys a different hue of white. You will also notice that some of the keys when back lit actually appear to be yellow opposed to white. This variation appears to be in different years of release. NOTE: The custom key font colors are a shade of grey where as the OEM keys are a shade of green. At close inspection you can tell right away but the casual user will not.

Hello Paul, You can absolutely use the Venstar T1800 with just a 24 VAC transformer I do that already with five of them. Back in the day I had this grand plan of deploying remote temp / humidity sensing. I was extremely lucky that someone was selling the units in bulk at blow out prices so I picked up eight of them. Later on I became heavily invested in the Energy Monitoring and reduction goal. With a 5 watt draw, times eight units on line 24/7 that would be a 40 watt vampire draw I wasn't willing to have. So, this led me to researching other methods to monitor and obtain accurate temperatures for the home. After waiting patiently for almost two years I found a 1 wire solution that integrates perfectly with the ISY Series Controller. The benefit is that I was able to expand this system in the future. There are currently 32 1 wire sensor wires deployed in and around the home monitoring all aspects from outside temps, equipment, rooms, HVAC, Water, Plumbing, and Soil. With the excellent help and assistance of our most favored ISY member Xathros I have been able to monitor and do some great programs which monitor, alert, and react to the homes local environment. Running two miles of CAT6 cable is probably not something everyone is able to do if a entire house is finished. But, if you have the ability, time, and patience to even run four cables to an area and utilize a 1 wire network the investment in time and effort will pay for itself for years to come. PROS: Low power, consistent, reliable, expandable, multi purpose install. CONS: Requires running infrastructure wiring in key areas, needs another device (cost) to have 1 wire.