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In the short term staying with the 99 is perfectly fine. As others stated should you need to replace a device it won't work with the 99 as it won't be listed in the device table. There are still lots of people using a 99 so don't feel alone. It's a solid box so keep using it until you need to migrate to a 994. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

To be fair the HL2 Software has not been updated for more than a year. I have to gather if it was still in production these options would be present and available for use. It would defeat the whole purpose of having features which are present but can not be controlled. The reality is it comes down to each vendor to decide to code to support these options. In my view it only makes sense because that is why they are there! Every time I read something along the lines of *how come this isn't available* I just back and wait for the fall out. Perhaps the stars will align one day and the Insteon Gods will make it all happen across all platforms and hardware. In the interim its best the OP place this request in the appropriate forum asking for support for said feature options. Otherwise it will get pushed down to the bottom with the rest of the threads. Michel has asked that the forum members create a poll to see the need and demand of such. It would probably be a good idea to do so if you see value in it.

+1 Would love to know the details also.

Charlie Brown, has since been accustomed to use the large single paddle. [emoji2] I would rather not hear about Charlie Brown dropping a deux on the floor trying to figure out its the bottom KPL key. [emoji16] I don't get paid for clean up! [emoji19][emoji12]

I hope very much no one took any offence in my reply indicating my views. I also agree sometimes its the WAF that limits or makes us do something other than intended! [emoji6] The key thing I was trying to stress is with small kids, or as we get older having paddles in key areas that must be used at any moment in time is critical for long term safety and satisfaction. I speak from personal experience where a client asked to install all KPL's. I cautioned him the added expense was not warranted and also in the long term would not please the family unit. [emoji17] About two months later the novelty wore off and the WAF was extremely low. Trying to get Charlie Brown to pick only one miniature chicklet for the bathroom was impossible. [emoji35] He was too small, too young, and simply did not understand when he needed to pee the top upper most button needed to be selected. [emoji57] After about three pee breaks in the hall way and in around the bathroom floor. A paddle was requested for install and the KPL was moved to another less high traffic use space. [emoji4][emoji5]️

Glad you got it all sorted out. As an aside, I believe lots of people tend to forget not only aesthetics but the long term use and human ergonomics of placement of a KPL vs Switch Linc. Before I went down the HA path I sat down and really thought about how switches in key areas would be used by the average person. NOTE: This is besides knowing custom keys should be used for KPL's which just makes sense. Only a fool would leave it to be A-B-C and expect the family, friends, who ever to know what each button did. So, the next step was noting daily life styles and real world use cases. In situations where your hands are full or where quick activation of a system is required a paddle should be used. I have seen a few people who have deployed KPL's on the bathrooms and really have to take pause because long term it doesn't work. I could have changed out every switch in my home to use a KPL but didn't. Because it made no sense from a human ergonomic stand point, or from a safety stand point. Every day since install (last 5-6 years) this design principle and deployment method has proven to just work and makes sense. This same basic and common sense approach is how I help others do the same in installs. Its definitely the KISS principle . . .

Right on, keep us posted. NOTE: To those reading this for the first time my views. This device has lived for almost five years with out issue and in the current electronics world that is pretty good. Given this device is also being used outside the stated operating range this also lends to the impressive reliability and operations of this device. Same as the OP I too am using this device in extreme climate conditions and know its not designed, made, or advertised as being able to. So, I have to acknowledge this I/O linc from Smartlabs is extremely impressive and robust and thank them again for making such a solid product.

I would observe this unit for several weeks and report back. The warmer climate conditions could very well be masking a failing I/O linc device. Ensure this unit is not operating anything mission critical because that would be a bad place to be

Yes, I too was sadden Ubuntu failed to make in roads to the market. The reality is during the last four years there have just been too many companies coming to market with similar gear and with so many competing OS platforms. Linux really didn't have a chance on their own. Even though iOS / Andriod are based loosely on Linux its too much for the market. We are seeing the exact same thing with HA gear where everyone and their dog wants a piece of the action. I have taken the approach to wait and see and monitor what products have a real shelf life in the long run. Back in the day if you saw a big company making a product you could (reasonably) expect at least a four year life cycle out of it. Now, you're lucky it makes one year from design to retail. As much as I dislike the whole locked down Apple eco system its much better than what I have seen in the Android camp. Yes, it gives you lots of potential choices to use custom software etc etc. But, never in the history of phones has there ever been so many virus's for a freaking phone??? If someone told me 20 years ago a phone could be corrupted by a virus I would have laughed at them. Now, no one is laughing and this is the problem of making everything we own too smart. I was probably the epitome of a gadget freak in all product categories and still am for a few. But, there are just some things in your home, life, that simply needs to be dumb and just work. It should not require pairing, setting SSL/ TLS, using port forwarding, firmware upgrade, hard reset?? When you lead your entire life around gizmos that are half baked, poorly supported, and designed by week end warrior. There are going to be issues down the line that is just a given.

I don't know where the rest of my reply went but it was much longer! I had indicated exactly what Paul did and guess when I hit save and the system was thinking about posting my reply it got cut off.

Yes, agreed most of the companies you named are EVIL too! Microsoft way back in the day stole the whole GUI from Apple when they were small. They went to court but of course MSFT was much bigger than they beat them in court and got the GUI thrown out. Then the famous MSFT got too big because these *** hats pretty much greased every company, government, lobbyist known to man to rule the Enterprise and desktop but finally got broken into four parts. This doesn't even tough how they killed off Netscape browser LOL. Apple is the same vs Samsung . . . Every company at some point becomes a monster because the whole *Profit before people* comes in. When Crapple won the patent war against Samsung over the rectangle shape of the iPhone I almost fell out of my freaking chair! This doesn't excuse the lazy *** copy cats at Samsung who literally copied every feature from Crapple like the swipe etc. Microshaft could have continued to be the biggest player in the world but was led by a complete moron, imbecile, and no vision CEO (Steve Balmer) Its going to take that poor [censored] Satya the next 10 years to turn the ship around assuming he can. There is a famous video where it has every launch fail Microshaft has ever had in one single video. The two most famous is one with Bill Gates and the guy who left the company who actually over saw the Windows OS. He was the poor [censored] who demoed live to the audience that piece of crap Surface!!! They tried in every way to mimic the Apple event and everyone around me just screamed and laughed watching this stupid fool fumble and break down. Truly an epic fail on Microshafts part never learning to lead the charge but has to put down others, all the while strong arming other companies. Its ironic because all of these fools all work together via their patent troll sub company which sues other companies for a living. MSFT makes more money on the Android royalty than they do on three of their departments. The only operations that makes money and continues to lead the charge is the Exchange Group and this is where Satya came from. At the end of the day use their products and enjoy them to the fullest. But, know in the back of your head they have only one goal and that is to bleed you dry well after the product has died.

Yes, you would need to configure it as a 8 button unit then use a 6 button frame kit. You would of course need to cross link the two buttons together so it activated.

Yes, more than likely the cold is showing a failing module. Whether it be the actual electronics or the relay or both. If it ends up giving up the ghost I would suggest you try your hand at replacing a few capacitors in that device. It really seems to be the theme for these products. Noting the extreme weather probably has caused the caps to dry out under changing temperatures. Keep us all in the loop as I am curious to see how it operates a little while in the warmer climate. Again, I throw no rocks toward Insteon not being able to operate in extreme climates even though it does for me in (current) -30'C weather.

You have the error log and log files available.

Sure, even if you need to double up the wires that will get you there. There are four pairs so just twist two together and go from there.

If you have another spare I/O Linc that would absolutely determine a COM issue or not. I would suggest you replace it with the spare and take the other one out of rotation and monitor how it behaves. I would not leave it controlling the GDO because that is the biggest door to your home. For what?

If it works then it could very well be a failing device hating the American / Canadian Cold! What is the current temp in the garage?

Bring it back in and let it warm up if it works then its temperature related. What is the current temps in the garage right now? It could very well be temp, failing device, or still poor COM's. This is why I suggested the extension cord attached to the same outlet. This would identify if its a temperature issue but could still be a device issue because its impacting a weak hardware about to fail.

This is a very accurate statement and I am part of the problem for sure. I guess when they first came to be XX years ago I gave them the benefit of the doubt that they would be a world leader. As time progressed it was apparent (Eric Schmidt) was a complete *** hat and just another business man wanting to suck out every dollar he could using what ever method that was available. The writing was soon on the wall when I tracked what projects they were getting into. The most famous was buying that military robot company WTF?? But, when I stood back and considered all the patents, company buy outs, etc. Again, people will laugh but they have completed the the all sensing eco system. They are in telecommunications (listens) computers (data aggregation / tracking) view-able products (Google glass) networking infrastructure (offers high speed Internet) face, voice, object detection. Predictive search and answers, is integrated with many android appliances from A/V products and smart cars. Global satellite tracking of movement and mapping. Has the ability to present the dumb managed content and results. Not even addressing their ability to acquire a wireless signal even locked down and capture this information for later review (google street car)

Yeah I saw that and laughed. This happen in Russia too, they started to remove all mission critical personal besides the sales team from Russia because of the new laws past this year. If Google believes it can do that in the real UK they are going to be getting a real wake up call! They have not been able to make in roads into China and know they wish they could. The reality is Googles presence is mostly limited to North America. All I know is the company is split down the middle, one run by a guy who loves to dream and spend gobs of money on silly shit. While the other side just wants to dominate every facet of your life and aggregate that information to make more money. The simple fact they are expanding their presence in network infrastructure like Kansas, Texas, CA, etc should really make you all take pause. There balloon *all the time Internet* with geo tracking was the first iteration of the all seeing eye of Evil Google. Anyone who believes a company would offer free WiFi with no rewards are simply too stupid to understand the goal.

Typically, you only need to have one switch control the load in this case the fan. So the other two KPL's would be capped off for the load wire and simply linked which would allow remote control of the fan. You are correct about not using a dimmer on a fan as this can cause issues and early failure to the extreme a fire condition.

How about pressing the set button on the I/O?

To be clear are you saying the door no longer operates via Insteon command? Does the GDO operate using the physical set button? You could absolutely determine if this was a COM issue if you had a method to extend all the wires from the GDO while using a long extension cord and bringing in the device into the house. Using this method while it was in the house would tell you if its temperature related because it would be still using the same outlet just further away.

Yes, once the PLM arrives you need to load the standard firmware and follow the wiki for replacing the PLM.

They are participants in the prism program. Which makes them valuable to the Feds. You don't break up anything that serves a purpose in the most spied on county in the world. In 2020 people better get ready when America starts to melt down. This is when they will not be able to service the national debt. Which will make them default on their payments. This will cause a massive run on the stocks, banks, economy. Which if it causes concern to the Chinese who own the largest portion of the debt. Can use this to either shut the USA down and put them into recession or cause a major change of hands of assets to the Chinese government. [emoji52] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk