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OK, headed into Z-wave to complement my extensive insteon install, for obvious reasons. I would just buy the Z-Wave USB stick from UD for the Polisy, but the shipping (to Canada) is twice the cost of the unit! I should have just added it to my recent Polisy order!, But, if I have to splurge on the shipping, I suppose I will ... But, wondering if I could just grab the same stick from a more local supplier. Here is one, appears to be the same hardware: https://www.amazon.ca/Z-Wave-Stick-Assistant-HomeSeer-Software/dp/B07GNZ56BK/ref=sr_1_7 Anyone? * Orest

Disregard, I just wasn't patient enough! * Orest

So, it is getting to PG3 ... Curiously the WeatherBit Weather is showing as a controller of some sort. What am I doing wrong? * Orest

Looks like it was two issues, kind of. The restore reset the password to default. Fixed that, expect it would have blocked PG3's access. Then I deleted the node in PG3, reinstalled, and then I did a Query in the Node Servers menu again to load the node. It's there now. Now just waiting for my Tempest! * Orest

Transitioning to Polisy from my ISY, and surprisingly everything is going pretty well! (the surprise more a comment on me than anything else). I read through the wiki and a number of critical posts here, which I suppose helped. BUT, one issue. To have a look at it, I bought and installed the Weatherflow node (PG3) on the yet "empty" Polisy. Installed fine, I could see it. and play with it. All good. I then restored my ISY994 programming setup, the kind of final step in the ISY migration, and the Weatherflow node server disappeared on the Polisy. Not surprising I guess. I tried to run a reinstall of WF/PG3 from the PG3 interface, but when getting to the choosing the slot step (slot 5 in my instance), that slot is no longer showing as an available target. So, the issue is a mis-coordination between PG3, by my wiping out the WF node with the restore. How do I force a fresh install of the WF/PG3 node in my Polisy? Do I need to delete the node in the PG3 interface, and do a "do over" install? * Orest

Here is my error log, includes a number of attempts to update, and a reboot or two. There are some disconnected modules with pop up no comm errors, that is expected. Thu 2022/03/31 07:23:02 PM System -110020 /TMP/19/insteon.img Thu 2022/03/31 07:26:30 PM System -50001 -6 Thu 2022/03/31 08:15:15 PM System -50001 -6 Thu 2022/03/31 08:41:44 PM System -50001 -11 Thu 2022/03/31 09:40:43 PM System -110020 /TMP/19/insteon.img Thu 2022/03/31 09:45:06 PM System -110020 /TMP/19/insteon.img Thu 2022/03/31 09:53:15 PM System -170001 [UDSockets] RSub:25 error:6 Thu 2022/03/31 09:53:32 PM System -5 Start Thu 2022/03/31 09:53:38 PM System -110022 /DEF/F6/I1/NLS/EN_US.TXT Thu 2022/03/31 09:53:41 PM System -7066 ID 00A5 :err=0, tag='id', num=22, nest=6, offse Thu 2022/03/31 09:53:53 PM System -7123 ID 0037 :err=0, tag='control', num=6, nest=4, o Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:04 PM System -7066 ID 0171 :err=0, tag='id', num=22, nest=6, offse Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:04 PM System -7066 ID 0172 :err=0, tag='id', num=22, nest=6, offse Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:04 PM System -7066 ID 0173 :err=0, tag='id', num=22, nest=7, offse Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:04 PM System -7066 ID 0187 :err=0, tag='id', num=22, nest=6, offse Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:05 PM System -7066 ID 00A1 :err=0, tag='id', num=22, nest=5, offse Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:05 PM System -7066 ID 0191 :err=0, tag='id', num=22, nest=6, offse Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:05 PM System -7066 ID 00A3 :err=0, tag='id', num=22, nest=5, offse Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:05 PM System -7066 ID 01A4 :err=0, tag='id', num=22, nest=5, offse Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:05 PM System -7066 ID 01B6 :err=0, tag='id', num=22, nest=5, offse Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:05 PM System -7066 ID 01B7 :err=0, tag='id', num=22, nest=5, offse Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:05 PM System -7066 ID 01CF :err=0, tag='id', num=22, nest=5, offse Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:06 PM System -7066 ID 01DA :err=0, tag='id', num=22, nest=5, offse Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:06 PM System -7066 ID 01DF :err=0, tag='id', num=22, nest=5, offse Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:06 PM System -7066 ID 020F :err=0, tag='id', num=22, nest=5, offse Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:06 PM System -7066 ID 0235 :err=0, tag='id', num=22, nest=5, offse Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:15 PM System -110022 /CONF/UZWNDKEY.TXT Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:15 PM System -110012 /CONF/UZWNDKEY.TXT Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:16 PM System -170001 [Network] Established Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:16 PM System -60006 n/a Thu 2022/03/31 09:54:25 PM System -251001 RX-U 010B000A03000102 Thu 2022/03/31 09:57:50 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 09:57:51 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 09:57:52 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 09:57:53 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 09:57:54 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 09:57:54 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 09:57:55 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 09:57:56 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 09:57:57 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 09:57:58 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 09:57:58 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 09:57:59 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 09:58:00 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 09:58:01 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 09:58:02 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 09:58:02 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 09:58:03 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 09:58:52 PM System -50001 -11 Thu 2022/03/31 09:58:54 PM System -50001 -6 Thu 2022/03/31 09:58:58 PM System -50001 -11 Thu 2022/03/31 09:59:01 PM System -50001 -11 Thu 2022/03/31 09:59:03 PM System -50001 -11 Thu 2022/03/31 09:59:10 PM System -50001 -11 Thu 2022/03/31 09:59:15 PM System -50001 -6 Thu 2022/03/31 10:03:03 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 10:03:04 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 10:03:05 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 10:03:05 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 10:03:06 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 10:03:07 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 10:03:08 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 10:03:09 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 10:03:09 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 10:03:10 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 10:03:11 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 10:03:12 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 10:03:12 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 10:03:13 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 10:03:14 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 10:03:15 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 10:03:16 PM System -140008 ISY:503 Thu 2022/03/31 10:03:27 PM System -50001 -11 Thu 2022/03/31 10:04:13 PM System -110020 /TMP/19/insteon.img Thu 2022/03/31 10:39:35 PM System -50001 -11 Thu 2022/03/31 11:08:34 PM System -50001 -6 Thu 2022/03/31 11:18:34 PM System -50001 -6 Thu 2022/03/31 11:20:18 PM System -110020 /TMP/19/insteon.img Thu 2022/03/31 11:55:05 PM System -50001 -11 Thu 2022/03/31 11:55:07 PM System -50001 -11 Thu 2022/03/31 11:58:34 PM System -50001 -11 Fri 2022/04/01 12:05:55 AM System -110020 /TMP/19/insteon.img Fri 2022/04/01 12:08:34 AM System -50001 -11 Fri 2022/04/01 12:15:24 AM System -10011 n/a

OK, thanks, good thread, but still no joy for me. Added the -Xmx1024m, looks like that gets cleared on updates. Ensured I cleared the java cache (x3). Downloaded a fresh start.jnlp file, just to be sure. Downloaded another copy of 5.3.4. Identical hang, while trying to update insteon.img. Perhaps I should try to update to 5.3.2 instead? Any other thoughts? * Orest

Upgrading from 5.0.16C. Consistent error, upgrade stalls during the insteon.img file upload, and then shows socket errors as depicted in the second image. Tried rebooting the ISY, downloading a fresh firmware (left unzipped of course) for the correct version (with PLM). Also ran the procedure on a different computer, same issue. Did shut off all virus checking and firewall temporarily (never needed that before). At least the error is consistent. Any suggestions? * Orest

Well, I guess the 20% discount just about pays for that. ? Yes, I've been haunting this place for a long time, but only very intermittently when there is an issue, system just seems to purr along most of the time. * Orest

Thanks much @Geddy Ordered the Polisy, ouch on the shipping to Canada. Oh well. * Orest

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Ah, got you. So, IoP is installed and running on your Polsy, but just empty, with perhaps no connection to a modem, so it does nothing. The migration step is really just moving all the programming over. And, you have access to the PG2 nodes running on the Polisy. I think that is exactly what I want to set up at the moment, a baby step, just to get things functional right now before I delve further into it. * Orest

Hmm, the Polisy docs kind of assume that you are moving to IoP as well. Can you confirm, that I can keep my ISY running as is, and use the Polisy only for the polyglot serving? * Orest

@GeddyThank you very much for your post. Will get reading, and I guess I have to pony up a few bucks. Hope the discounts are still available. * Orest

OK, just discovered that all my weather data is no longer available, because of this issue. So, the long term solution is to go to Polisy. Is there some documentation on how exactly to proceed, to move the weather nodes I use to the Polisy, and then reconfigure my ISY programming? I understand that ISY will be rolled into the Polisy in future as well, but I wish to wait until that is a more stable project before abandoning my ISY. * Orest

Is there any reason to not think, that the 2413U will go out of stock, just like the serial version did? * Orest

Got it, thanks. May order up the hardware to have a look. Hmm, don't see it at my usual supplier aartech.ca, is it only available for direct purchase? It is US$50 shipping to Canada. (ouch) * Orest

Thank you @Tekenand @MrBill. I do have that original serial DB-9 cable, thank goodness I'm a pack rat. And great to know that the USB PLM is supported by the Polisy as well, as for the moment it remains in stock. I may grab one to future proof myself. Fingers crossed my current serial PLM will last a little while longer to keep my ISY setup communicating, as replacements are like hen's teeth at the moment. When/if the Polisy project is a bit more fleshed out, I'll have another look in that direction. Is at least the (initial) Polisy hardware "done", or is it alpha-ish as well? I would prefer not to buy it now and be needing another hardware update in the near future. * Orest

First off, just to say that before posting I read through the Polisy manual in the wiki, and nabbed as many threads here as I could. I am currently running the latest ISY running .16. It is a large and mature system running for at least ten years, and it addresses a wide variety of Insteon devices from motions to stats to lights etc., through a 2413S PLM. Also have an ISY Portal account for purposes of grabbing weather, and for remote control through the UDI apps. All good. BUT, I understand that there may be 2413S supply issues, and these lousy things burn out every few years. There may be a replacement from SmartHome, but it may be a while to see the light of day, and it might not be supported by ISY. Also, from what I understand (please correct me), Polisy is just a user friendly raspberry Pi type of device, that will be able to serve the nodes that are currently hosted on the ISY portal, but could also add local nodes that I would define myself. As an aside, I believe there is an easy way to readdress my system to use my currently defined nodes on the ISY Portal, but run them on the Polisy -- perhaps it needs setup/redefinitions of all these? And, I've also seen references to Polisy taking over the job from the ISY entirely, and becoming the brain of the system rather than just serving nodes in a supplementary fashion. I also understand that moving programs over would likely not be possible, and it would require a rewrite of my home system. BUT, as far as I can glean, Polisy itself has no way of directly communicating with Insteon power line devices, in the way that the current ISY/2413S PLM does. Am I correct? If so, then would moving to the Polisy as the brain mean abandoning my current Insteon installation, in favor of some other network (Z-wave, zigbee etc.)? it can be done, but would entail a fair bit of time and treasure. There is also a USB connected PLM, that is showing in stock. Is there any role for that in all this? Does the wireless Insteon accessibility have any role here to supplant the PLM? Many thanks for any corrections and amplifications. * Orest

Yes, thanks, that is the plan. It will be my fourth PLM replacement, in maybe 15 years or so. * Orest

I have had 2413s start to fail with INOPs of various kinds, and have had to replace them a couple of times now, but not seen it where the device was dark. No LED flicker on a power cycle, and the admin console boots up in SAFE mode. But I guess it happens. Ordered a replacement. One comment, and my question, the JAVA admin console shows all the devices and variables, but the programming page is blank and it gives a device error notice. (yes, I have backups) Is that normal in SAFE mode, or will I have to restore the programming from a backup as well? Thanks * Orest

Well, of course I have backups. But in these instances I will also do a full text export, so I can refer to it should that be necessary. And, it looks like it will be necessary. I've observed in the past when a module gets pulled, you get involved statements converted to null references, which hides the logic. Oh well. * Orest

Thanks! @Teken and @DaveStLou. I'm getting squared away. I have a portal account now, and added my ISY's UUID, it remains pending as I haven't installed the portal module. I do need to upgrade from 16B to 16C, first. Then, I need to install the new portal module into my ISY. But, it seems that it will also remove the climate module in the same step. I can't do just one of these. Two practical questions ... Q) When the climate module is uninstalled, what happens to all the climate references in the code? Will they be nulled out, or will they still be recognizable, making it easier to replace them in the code? Q) Installing something like openweather in the portal will get me access to the weather again. But, I presume I will have to rewrite the climate statements, referencing those new sources? Is the syntax similar? * Orest

I just saw the climate module uninstall popup. All news to me, did not get an email. I don't drop by the forums often, unless I have a problem, perhaps my bad. Logged into my account, all the notifications were left unchecked, so obviously why I never got the notice. I created an account on the ISY portal. Does this account get merged with my account logging in the usual way? Once you have an ISY portal account, what do I do next, to restore my climate access? I am noticing now that I get a climate module uninstall, and an ISY portal install message. Don't want to execute that, until I know what I have to do with the ISY Portal to get climate access back. Do I have to rewrite any affected code? Will my ISY still work to do what it has been doing, or do I now have to buy new hardware? Is there a general information page for the ISY Portal? When will my current climate access go INOP? * Orest

Can you suggest good Z-wave repeaters, to make this work? Would you need one in the room with the ISY, and then one in the room with the ding-donger? Found this one: Aeotec Zwave Plug in Range Extender 6 Repeater Gen 5 * Orest