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Ah, got you. So, IoP is installed and running on your Polsy, but just empty, with perhaps no connection to a modem, so it does nothing. The migration step is really just moving all the programming over. And, you have access to the PG2 nodes running on the Polisy. I think that is exactly what I want to set up at the moment, a baby step, just to get things functional right now before I delve further into it. * Orest

Hmm, the Polisy docs kind of assume that you are moving to IoP as well. Can you confirm, that I can keep my ISY running as is, and use the Polisy only for the polyglot serving? * Orest

@GeddyThank you very much for your post. Will get reading, and I guess I have to pony up a few bucks. Hope the discounts are still available. * Orest

OK, just discovered that all my weather data is no longer available, because of this issue. So, the long term solution is to go to Polisy. Is there some documentation on how exactly to proceed, to move the weather nodes I use to the Polisy, and then reconfigure my ISY programming? I understand that ISY will be rolled into the Polisy in future as well, but I wish to wait until that is a more stable project before abandoning my ISY. * Orest

Is there any reason to not think, that the 2413U will go out of stock, just like the serial version did? * Orest

Got it, thanks. May order up the hardware to have a look. Hmm, don't see it at my usual supplier aartech.ca, is it only available for direct purchase? It is US$50 shipping to Canada. (ouch) * Orest

Thank you @Tekenand @MrBill. I do have that original serial DB-9 cable, thank goodness I'm a pack rat. And great to know that the USB PLM is supported by the Polisy as well, as for the moment it remains in stock. I may grab one to future proof myself. Fingers crossed my current serial PLM will last a little while longer to keep my ISY setup communicating, as replacements are like hen's teeth at the moment. When/if the Polisy project is a bit more fleshed out, I'll have another look in that direction. Is at least the (initial) Polisy hardware "done", or is it alpha-ish as well? I would prefer not to buy it now and be needing another hardware update in the near future. * Orest

First off, just to say that before posting I read through the Polisy manual in the wiki, and nabbed as many threads here as I could. I am currently running the latest ISY running .16. It is a large and mature system running for at least ten years, and it addresses a wide variety of Insteon devices from motions to stats to lights etc., through a 2413S PLM. Also have an ISY Portal account for purposes of grabbing weather, and for remote control through the UDI apps. All good. BUT, I understand that there may be 2413S supply issues, and these lousy things burn out every few years. There may be a replacement from SmartHome, but it may be a while to see the light of day, and it might not be supported by ISY. Also, from what I understand (please correct me), Polisy is just a user friendly raspberry Pi type of device, that will be able to serve the nodes that are currently hosted on the ISY portal, but could also add local nodes that I would define myself. As an aside, I believe there is an easy way to readdress my system to use my currently defined nodes on the ISY Portal, but run them on the Polisy -- perhaps it needs setup/redefinitions of all these? And, I've also seen references to Polisy taking over the job from the ISY entirely, and becoming the brain of the system rather than just serving nodes in a supplementary fashion. I also understand that moving programs over would likely not be possible, and it would require a rewrite of my home system. BUT, as far as I can glean, Polisy itself has no way of directly communicating with Insteon power line devices, in the way that the current ISY/2413S PLM does. Am I correct? If so, then would moving to the Polisy as the brain mean abandoning my current Insteon installation, in favor of some other network (Z-wave, zigbee etc.)? it can be done, but would entail a fair bit of time and treasure. There is also a USB connected PLM, that is showing in stock. Is there any role for that in all this? Does the wireless Insteon accessibility have any role here to supplant the PLM? Many thanks for any corrections and amplifications. * Orest

Yes, thanks, that is the plan. It will be my fourth PLM replacement, in maybe 15 years or so. * Orest

I have had 2413s start to fail with INOPs of various kinds, and have had to replace them a couple of times now, but not seen it where the device was dark. No LED flicker on a power cycle, and the admin console boots up in SAFE mode. But I guess it happens. Ordered a replacement. One comment, and my question, the JAVA admin console shows all the devices and variables, but the programming page is blank and it gives a device error notice. (yes, I have backups) Is that normal in SAFE mode, or will I have to restore the programming from a backup as well? Thanks * Orest

Well, of course I have backups. But in these instances I will also do a full text export, so I can refer to it should that be necessary. And, it looks like it will be necessary. I've observed in the past when a module gets pulled, you get involved statements converted to null references, which hides the logic. Oh well. * Orest

Thanks! @Teken and @DaveStLou. I'm getting squared away. I have a portal account now, and added my ISY's UUID, it remains pending as I haven't installed the portal module. I do need to upgrade from 16B to 16C, first. Then, I need to install the new portal module into my ISY. But, it seems that it will also remove the climate module in the same step. I can't do just one of these. Two practical questions ... Q) When the climate module is uninstalled, what happens to all the climate references in the code? Will they be nulled out, or will they still be recognizable, making it easier to replace them in the code? Q) Installing something like openweather in the portal will get me access to the weather again. But, I presume I will have to rewrite the climate statements, referencing those new sources? Is the syntax similar? * Orest

I just saw the climate module uninstall popup. All news to me, did not get an email. I don't drop by the forums often, unless I have a problem, perhaps my bad. Logged into my account, all the notifications were left unchecked, so obviously why I never got the notice. I created an account on the ISY portal. Does this account get merged with my account logging in the usual way? Once you have an ISY portal account, what do I do next, to restore my climate access? I am noticing now that I get a climate module uninstall, and an ISY portal install message. Don't want to execute that, until I know what I have to do with the ISY Portal to get climate access back. Do I have to rewrite any affected code? Will my ISY still work to do what it has been doing, or do I now have to buy new hardware? Is there a general information page for the ISY Portal? When will my current climate access go INOP? * Orest

Can you suggest good Z-wave repeaters, to make this work? Would you need one in the room with the ISY, and then one in the room with the ding-donger? Found this one: Aeotec Zwave Plug in Range Extender 6 Repeater Gen 5 * Orest

Found the zw.pdf document. * Orest

A simple, and a more complete solution. Thanks. @simplextechI have no Z-wave devices at present, do I just need the ZSE19 with my Z-wave enabled ISY, and then just a software setup? Or, do I need some other hardware. Does the Zooz device also provide a volume appropriate for a chime, rather than a full bore siren sound level? * Orest

Thanks. Sounds encouraging. * Orest

My old X-10 motion gave up the ghost. I had a few of the 2844's, and put one outside. It's operating temp is just down to freezing, and we do get quite a bit colder than that here. BUT, there doesn't appear to be anything else available to use. I put the 2844 under the eaves, so it is fairly sheltered. Anyone else have any long term experience with these units outside? The mount is pretty flimsy, inside probably not that much an issue, but outside I'm concerned that it might be blown around by the wind (to false trigger) or worse to be blown right off and onto the ground. Any better way of mounting these available? * Orest

I have my old X-10 ding-donger, which works fine. I have it chime once for motion, and twice for the garage door opening, but it very limited. Would prefer to be able to have distinct chimes or sounds to announce certain events. There doesn't appear to be any unit out there in Insteon, hopefully the old X-10 will keep going. I do have the Z-Wave capable ISY, but have no experience in Z-Wave thus far. Anyone achieved this, without having it get too complicated? * Orest

BINGO!!!!! Thanks much. Got my colored icons back. It had been somehow set to folders only, which is exactly what it was displaying. \0/ * Orest

I did once. I even jiggled the cords! That said, I'll reboot again, now with the new console installed. Maybe it will twiddle something in java ... No, no joy. I also tried changing the font size, I saw some threads that had issues with some of the text in fields, but only at certain font sizes. Didn't make a difference. * Orest

Here is a quick pic from the second (desktop) computer, where the programs icons are colored correctly, including BTH light_day.do, which is "disabled", but running at that moment.

@Michel Kohanim, With respect, that is not pertinent. Although that program is disabled, it was running by a call from another program, as I note, and that is confirmed by the Summary page. Previously it would show as running with a filled green color. Looking through the entire tree of programs, there is no instance where either the red/green left edge stripe is visible (showing the last true/false instance), nor the filled in icon on the program where it is actually running. It does show correctly for the folders though. This is in marked distinction from before, the change in behavior was quite obvious and just started all of a sudden, it has gone back to the long ago time of not having these handy markers. I installed and ran the admin console on another computer, and I have now updated both the ISY and consoles to 5.0.15A. Curiously, the same errant behavior continues on that initial (laptop) computer (no red/green markings on the program icons), but on the desktop where I just installed it, the program colors are shown as they should be, see the next post. I have already refreshed the admin console, clearing the java cache, on the original computer, anything else I might try to get it to work again?? The java is up to date. Both are running Windows 7. So, why not just use the computer where it works? Well that is a desktop and not very portable, not nearly as handy for debugging things on the go. Appreciate any suggestions. * Orest

These stripes and fills on the program and folder icons in the Admin console are quite nice for debugging. They were there just this morning, as usual, and then they just disappeared. I tried restarting the Admin console, made no difference. Running 5.0.13D. The status chart on the Summary page still shows the programs as running, and all seems to be fine with execution, just the Admin console doesn't show it on the Details page. Here is an example, BTH light_day.do is currently executing, it is disabled to suppress triggering from the states in the IF clause, it was called from BTH motion_day. But, on the details page, there is no filled green notation. Further, the programs that have a status as TRUE, do not show green, and also no red stripe for FALSE. CURIOUSLY, all the folders DO properly show the green or red stripe. I have disabled a number of the folders. I'm in the process of migrating to v5 and cleaning up a lot of the code. Any ideas? * Orest

Very good.