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Gotta love how someone who rails against people being smart does the same thing at every opportunity they get. I guess I shouldn't expect much with someone who thinks routers existed 40 years ago and would still work with modern wifi devices 20-40 years later.

With just a few years left on their patents, and their history, I can't see anyone really wanting to resurrect insteon. I love the product but even if i could afford to buy them out, it wouldn't be worth it's asking price unless it was low 6 figures. Even then, it would be difficult due to their history. Banks and investors probably won't be as lenient with terms. Let's say hypothetically he'd sell at 1mil. The bank would require 30% (300k). With a dirt name, you'd still have to come up with at least a mil for startup costs (and that's working from your garage selling on eBay and Amazon). The only market you (not you personally) would have, is existing users. After they intially stock up, would you sell enough to pay back investors and your loan quickly enough to stay in business? Im using simplified numbers and scenario to explain myself as I think he's asking for much more than that. The patents are worth more but not the business which is the conundrum their in and why I can see them just letting it die off completely vs selling it for pennies on the dollar to someone else

I wasn't saying you were implying anything. Just voicing my opinion why I don't see adoption happening in that manner. Regardless of how consumer ready something may appear to be, the more steps involved, the less likely it'll become adopted. Look at the polls and metrics for Amazon echo. With all they've added to it in regards to routines, most people still only turn things on, off, dim, and play music. This shows people have no interest in doing extra. Most will grab their phone to see who's at the door vs using their fire stick and tv that's already on and right in front of them because they don't realize that they can. Ubiquiti is enterprise grade though they play in the consumer/prosumer space. I have their wifi pro access points and they work great. However, what it took to configure it on my DMP, I just don't see most people doing that. Not that it's hard but it's more steps than most would want to take. That's not even including the cost of the system, running wires, and mounting the access points. Personally, I'm not sure why we are so focused on what protocol HAS to win. The market is big enough for multiple protocols and they each serve their own purpose with their own strengths and weaknesses. Wifi for small setups and zwave/ZigBee for larger/true automation. My hope is that UDI can integrate with Radio Ra3 as I plan on using that next whether it's with polisy or C4. If i didn't have access to the resources that i do, I'd probably swap to Ra2 keypads and hue bulbs for everything else.

It's really nothing major. Just basic if sensor is switched on turn lights on. I use zwave sensors (dome) to an insteon switch. There's been no rhyme or reason for the slow down. Sometimes it's so fast I'm amazed and others I've turned the light on as the program starts to run.

There's a guy on eBay that does plms but i don't know about regular devices. I'm one to replace a failed device vs try to fix so it's not something I ever looked into

My polisy has been slower than my Isy stuff. With this still being alpha/beta, I've chalked it up to that. They're times when things run extremely fast and others extremely slow. I think it will get better in time. One thing I did notice is with the PLM USB stick. Communication from devices is much slower along with missed signals.

Nothing in the diy space outside of ebay

Submit a proper support ticket directly to universal devices as that is the most expeditious way to get up and running properly

They've already shut down

It's less about the feature (people know it's there) and more about how it happened and to fix. With kpls, you can manually disable/enable it. Just strange it came about in a standard dimmer for no reason. Especially since the Isy doesn't support enabling it (not a feature I ever use so I've never tried the kpls manual steps myself so i don't know if it would work).

Are you sure about those ages? Consumer wifi routers have only been available since the end of the 90s. Even 40 year old modems wouldn't work with today's networks

This is a pipedream. Regardless of what Shelly can potentially do, how many people will want to take the necessary time to update and flash those devices? Take this forum Those here are generally above avg hobbyists to much more advanced....yet, most are not willing to do what it takes to make those devices work on a large scale installation. Imagine having to flash 30+ devices just to install in an avg home. Worse in a larger home as you're now talking 70+ devices. That's a lot of work to do before even having to install the devices or to start programming. Even with zwave. How many actually update their devices (if they're working)? It's easy to do 1 or 2 but most aren't going to run around pushing updates to a bunch of devices one at a time. Shelly sounds good on paper but in reality, it's a smaller niche product for a really small niche market

I doubt this will happen for the simple fact that everything else will consume more and more bandwidth. The faster our internet becomes, the more our devices will consume. For example, today's routers are 10x more powerful than routers 10 years ago but we're still in the same position as then. Why? Because 4k HDR streaming along with lossless audio/dolby Atmos, and high fidelity music.....and that's only on your smartphones, tablets, and laptops. How much more bandwidth do you think TV's and video game systems will require? In addition to that, your standard apps like Facebook, Instagram, and others also require more and more bandwidth. Router mfg and cable companies aren't going to suddenly supply cheap/free Enterprise quality routers. Content creators, media and tech companies aren't going to slow down or stop progress just so people can use their bulbs or wall switches at home either. Which puts is back in this same place again. The promise of a better future gets trumped by progress leaving other promising ideas behind

That had nothing to do with it. They were leasing the place. A developer was trying to purchase multiple properties in that area. Some were already sold, torn down and apts built down the street from there on Alton

C4 is installer only so i wouldn't group then with hue. The only similarities between the 2 is the fact that they both use ZigBee. Outside of that, they live in different universes

Magic home. Cheap and there's a Node server for it

Did you try to factory reset and test the behavior

It doesn't work with Polisy at this time and he said he's using zwave otherwise I would've. RA3 is great but you are taking a step back if you don't have access to a compatible advanced controller

Your house probably won't be much smarter with zwave since insteon is much more robust and flexible than zwave. But then again zwave is available while insteon is not. The IOP subforum above this one is all about using Polisy as a stand alone device. It's still in testing but is pretty stable. Zwave doesn't require a PLM. Best is relative when it comes to switches. There are different variables involved. Most popular seems to be Zooz devices. You can find them by doing an Amazon search. When I typed trane in the search bar, It did show people using Trane thermostats with the isy so i assume it works. Currently Tesla Node server does not work. See polyglot cloud Node server forum for more info. In regards to other products capable of being used with polisy, there are subforums dedicated to them. Scroll down on the forum main page and you'll see listings for PG2/PG3. As more come online, that will be updated. Personally, if focus on PG3 since PG2 is deprecated.

That is the update. They're done

I don't know. I've never used their support lines. I thought that change happened a while back in regards to email only. Update: That's it. They're done!

That's been in the so store for a year now

The alternative is to purchase a Polisy. The current V2 node servers aren't being updated nor is polyglot V2 itself. You're wasting your time taking this route as it's only a matter of time before this setup breaks as well

What are your devices tied to your program? The Isy will still work without the router for non IP devices

See directions under insteon support in the wiki instruction manual. https://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=Polisy:User_Guide