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Probably won't work. Since the commands are being issued outside of the Isy, it won't see the status change to update

Most likely not supported since multi channel is not supported in 4.x. You'll need to upgrade to 5.0.16c. make sure that you READ THE INSTRUCTIONS COMPLETELY, if/when you do

I don't click on links but judging by the information showing, it looks like it uses wifi. Do you know if they have an API for it? If so, someone could potentially make a nodeserver for it. You could also potentially use network resources to control them

Glad I swapped out my Google homes and Alexa with Sonos ones

Post your program

They have not quit. With limited stock coming in, they are selling through their own store vs. Amazon

Sounds like it works outside of the Isy so it must be something you've programmed inside of it. My guess, is the button is in non toggle off mode and needs to be put in toggle mode

Did you do what I said in regards to troubleshooting? The Kpl of obsolete so you may be better off just saying it out for a new one

What's the model number

Let me get this straight, you have to hit the C button on 2x in order for the Kpl C button to turn on? If this is the case, factory reset the Kpl. Turn on the C button. Does it still take 2 taps to make the button come on? If not restore the device in the Isy. Turn on the C button again. What happens?

What are you using to turn your amp on or change inputs? Depending on setup, even if you run those same things again, it may not effect anything and start up the way you like I'm regards to actually program, you could make 2 folders and drop your programs in. 1 folder will only run if the variable is at 0, the other if the variable is set to 2. Put what you want in the corresponding folder

In addition to what you said, despite the multitude of devices each one of those systems can control vs the ISY, the ISY can still automate things much better than they probably ever will.

You mean the way other companies did for Homekit only to watch it languish for years and still not be all it claimed? Let's just chill with Matter until Matter actually matters

All of this stuff has come up in the past for various frameworks and none have yet fully delivered on their promises. We've heard it with zwave, ZigBee, Homekit, thread, Alljoyn, and others....yet here we are. Using your example of ecobee doesn't guarantee anything changes. They can still lock things down in such a way that only certain information gets released from it to a 3rd party. Or release a matter specific version that's not as fully featured as the current one. Regardless, it's more about what gives everyone what they are looking for today, not a year or 2 from now. Until things are released and used in the wild, I'll hold off on jumping on that bandwagon.

My sentiments exactly. The big 3 all have something to lose by making everything equal... Apple with their homekit. Google with Nest, and Amazon with ring. What I can see happening exactly what you say about the API. Developing a standard for adding a device to a system, privacy, and security. However, each company (especially Amazon and google), will probably leave the best features of their devices locked to their ecosystem. None probably cares enough about 3rd party stuff since they all typically support the same 3rd party devices. For the end user, they'll be more secure but nothing will change overall.

I don't see wifi evolving enough anytime soon. Wifi has the same problem as smartphone batteries. As they increase in size, performance, and capabilities, more is demanded from them. Look at wifi now. Take a modern router and use it 15 years ago. Wifi would seem perfect. Today however, we still end up with the same issues from 15 years ago. Why? Because modern devices are much more demanding than they were then. Just like with everything else in the world, sheer numbers can be overwhelming to anything. Look at what it takes for public venues to handle traffic. Most people want plug n play (and cheap) which will always struggle to manage alot of devices. Most people aren't going to have the time, money, or desire to invest in an enterprise solution. Many won't even buy their own router, instead choosing to use the cable companies router despite all the information out there about them. You're right about the isy. While we all want more immediately, they've grown in such a way that has allowed us to take advantage of the best available devices for our homes

Yale already does something like that with their line of locks which is why I use them for my installs. For standard non automated homes, we won't use a module, if it's a C4 home, I'll use their zigbee module, and if it's a smarthome, I'll use a wifi module, and if it's a diy setup, zwave. I doubt if someone will ever allow people to change frequencies however. Too much risk of something going wrong and causing them more headaches.

I pray it is since it's not too much longer...

Its Coming soon.

ZigBee HA DOES NOT work with the isy. Not directly anyway. You would need to add another interface such as hubitat to use ZigBee.

Being that ZigBee HA devices do not work with the Isy, he'd be wasting time and money trying to go that route. Can we hold off on touting how great Matter is/will be until it's actually released and implemented throughout a multitude of devices. There's been at least half a dozen attempts at the next big thing but yet here we are with things still being limited in how they work together.

If you're not using zwave already and do not have a zwave board, you will end up paying more than 200 to swap to leave since you'll need to get the board in addition to additional devices to build up your zwave network. You can mix zwave with insteon but the experience will not be the same. Depending on what type of things you want to do, you'll probably miss out on the strengths of both systems by combining the 2

2 plms exhibiting the same exact issue... Especially 1 being brand new= highly unlikely to be a PLM issue.

After you did restore PLM, did you also do a restore devices?

I'm assuming you didn't read @MrBill warning about programs and the information in the upgrade post about upgrading! You have to update your programs as there is a difference with how 5.0 handles them vs 4.0. That's where the yellow is coming from Make sure you cleared your Java cache and use the launcher as well.