smokegrub

A friend loaned me a 2443 to test in my situation. Recall, if you will, that I have two access points installed in the house. Both the house and my garage are fed through the same elecrical meter. I want to add an access point in the garage to strengthen the signal there. Step-wise, how do I add this third access point?

stusviews: Thanks. I will send an order tomorrow.

Just to confirm, that is the 2992-222, correct?

Xathros: Which do you recommend? 2992-222 2443R

Xathros: I will purchase and install an access point/range extender. Also, thanks for informing me that the ToggleLins are powerline only. I wish there were a table somewhere for the Insteon devices that summarized their basic features such as RF only, Power Line Only, Dual Band, etc. Thank you.

Here is the summary of the situation I am dealing with. I have a two panel electrical system which use the same meter. Service from one panel is to the main house where there is a mixture of dual band and ToggleLincs. The second panel serves a detached garage where there are two ToggleLincs. The ToggleLincs in the garage are approximately 50 feet from the nearest dual band KPL and ToggleLinc in the house. I want to add a Hidden Door Sensor in the garage, but I have apparent signal stength issues and can only locate the sensor in a small space on the side of the door jamb nearest the house despite the fact that the proposed location of the sensor is less than 3 feet from the two ToggleLincs in the garage. I don't want to commit on the door sensor until I find out what I may be able to do to strenghen the signal it is receiving. I believe the ToggleLincs and Hidden Door Sensor in the garage are likely receiving their signal by RF from the house and not main line. If I am correct in my assumption, how can I get main line communication between the house and garage. I currently have 2 Access Points (2443) in the house. Would an access point in the garage bridge the two panels? Would I also need a dual band device in that location?

I will have to check out that confirmation process and will report back.

I missed the fact that ToggleLincs are not dual band when I was making my initial selections of devices. I have, however, 6 KPLS (dual band) throughout the house. Should I install a dual band device in the garage, replacing one of the ToggleLincs currently there? That would place a dual band device less than 3 feet from the door sensor's desired installation location. It is all too easy for relative newbies such as myself to miss the fact that ToggleLincs are not dual band. I was under the misimpression that if it were an Insteon device, it was dual band. Live and learn. Fortunately the system in the house works beautifully with the mix of devices there now. I have a small place located about 325 miles from my primary residence, and it has only ToggleLincs and X-10s on an ISY994i . I want to place a door sensor in a detached building similarly situated. Thus, whatever solution evolves here will have to be applied there. I am going to buy the book "INSTEON: Smarthomes for Everyone". Hopefully, that will keep me from making so many mistakes in the future. I hope I can also continue to access the knowledge resident at this forum. I look forward to an answer to my question in the first paragraph above.

Both of the devices in the garage are ToggleLincs (2466SW). I have these in numerous locations throughout the hous thinking they were dual band. Are they?

Michel: Neither can I get any other configuration other then the default to work.

Are there remedial measures to improve this performance?

Here you go, PurdueGuy. I ran this for one of the two devices. Tue 10/14/2014 09:06:11 AM : [ IR] 02AA Press Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:11 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2C.71.9A 00.00.01 C3 11 01 LTONRR (01) Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:11 AM : [std-Group ] 2C.71.9A-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=0 Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:11 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2C 71 9A 1] [DON] [1] uom=0 prec=-1 Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:11 AM : [ 2C 71 9A 1] DON 1 Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:11 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2C.71.9A 00.00.01 C3 11 01 LTONRR (01) Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:11 AM : [std-Group ] 2C.71.9A-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=0 Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:11 AM : [iNST-DUP ] Previous message ignored. Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:11 AM : [ IR] 02AA Press Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:11 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2C.71.9A 00.00.01 C7 11 01 LTONRR (01) Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:11 AM : [std-Group ] 2C.71.9A-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:11 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2C 71 9A 1] [DON] [1] uom=0 prec=-1 Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:11 AM : [ 2C 71 9A 1] DON 1 Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:11 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2C.71.9A 28.CC.6C 41 11 01 LTONRR (01) Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:11 AM : [std-Cleanup ] 2C.71.9A-->ISY/PLM Group=1, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:11 AM : [iNST-DUP ] Previous message ignored. Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:12 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2C.71.9A 28.CC.6C 42 11 01 LTONRR (01) Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:12 AM : [std-Cleanup ] 2C.71.9A-->ISY/PLM Group=1, Max Hops=2, Hops Left=0 Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:12 AM : [iNST-DUP ] Previous message ignored. Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:16 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2C.71.9A 28.CC.6C 47 11 01 LTONRR (01) Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:16 AM : [std-Cleanup ] 2C.71.9A-->ISY/PLM Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:16 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [2C 71 9A 1] [DON] [0] uom=0 prec=-1 Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:16 AM : [ 2C 71 9A 1] DON 0 Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:18 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 2C.71.9A 11.01.01 C7 06 01 (01) Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:18 AM : [std-Group ] 2C.71.9A-->11.01.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=1 Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:18 AM : [iNST-INFO ] Previous message ignored. Tue 10/14/2014 09:07:23 AM : [ IR] 012A Press

Final assessment for today. The sensor seems to work fine in the upper left portion of the jamb with the metal door open or closed and the fluorescent lights on or off. What I still do not understand is why the device will not communicate with the two dual band devices located less than 3 feet away but seems to communicate with a dual band device about 30 feet away and on the other side of 2 brick walls. I will contnue to test and report before drilling a 3/4-inch hole in the jamb.

While I was testing, the door was open except for a full length glass storm door. I will close the metal door and see what happens. I don't think that much matters given that the signal should be sent when the door opens. Will see.

It gets stranger all the time. I decided to test the device by holding in various locations along the jamb. At a point near the top of the jamb performance seems fine. If I position the device lower than about 18-inches fromj the top it does not work. I will do more testing before I drill a 3/4-inch hole in the jamb at any location. The only thing that I am aware of on the jamb side of the door is a sensor for the garage door opener.

Here is what happened. Whether the fluorescent lights are on or off, if I hold the sensor near the center of the door, placing it line of sight to the point where it was linked inside the house it functions properly. If I hold it against the door jamb where it will be located and not in line of sight, it does not work. At the latter location it is less than 3 feet from the 2 dual-band devices in the garage. In other words, if it is in a position where it apparently can communicate with the devices inside the house it is good to go. Thoughts?

No, will do and try again.

Stusviews: That is what I just completed before returning to the forum. It still would not link. The message is to the effect that ihe ISY does not recognize the Insteon Engine.

Yes, there are fluorescent lights in the garage (5 banks of 2 bulbs each).

Perhaps my logic was flawed. I moved it because when I tyook it to the garage and tested it, it failed. I then tried linking it in the garage. When that failed I linked it inside the house and carried it back to the garage. It worked inconsistently there.

That is correct, Xathros. As to "confirmed good communication with the ISY" all I can say is that the dual-band devices in the garage have functioned perfectly for more that 2 years w/o ever having lost their link with the ISY. They are used in scenes and programs and are rock solid.

I am not adding the sensor to a scene I am trying to link it to the ISY via a dual-band device.

Thanks, LeeG. When I relocated the sensor to the a location downstairs from the PLM I linked it to a ToggleLinc using the remove all links. When I moved it to the garage the link to the downstairs device remained. When I try to link it two one of the two dual-band devices in the garage it will not link. Both of those devices have been successfully linked for months. What I don't undertand is how the sensor cannot link to one of these devices using RF even at a distance of a few inches.

I have been trying to install a Door Sensor in my garage, and it will not link despite being only a few inches away from two dual-band Switchlincs, both of which are performing flawlessly. I am able to link the device near the PLM and near other dual-band devices just not these. If I link at another location and bring the door sensor to the desired location in the garage it does not work reliably--I believe it is trying to communicate with the device to which it was linked. and not with the nearby dual-band devices. After days messing with these sensors I consider them the worst Insteon hardware I have purchased. They are much worse than the OutletLinc! If you can help me sort this out or at least understand the problem, I would appreciate it.