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You've just done it. Typically a community developer will already be an owner of the product. *Sometimes* community developers will consider creating a plug-in for something they don't own, if the appropriate hubs and devices are loaned and shipped to them for development; if you offered that that it might help. I saw that wiz supports Google home, Alexa, and IFTTT.. All three of those are supported by eisy... Google and Alexa via the isy portal, and IFTTT by a plug-in.
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Something else to know about "Switched on" in Insteon devices which is a factor too. "Switched on" messages are only sent to the PLM/ISY when you physically flip the switch at the device.... not when you turn it on with a program. "If Status" is the right way to go for this use case
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In your case status is probably more appropriate... the case being the power goes out when the pump is running and the ISY restarts. When the power comes back up, the smartenIT switch is likely still on, its last state, so it won't "switch on" and the program doesn't execute. Power is restored and it continues powering the pump. When the ISY restarts it interrogates every Insteon device for its state, and it will see that the pump is on, so "If Status" will be true. It won't "switch on" during that time and explains what you are seeing
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Me too, and PC is wifi connected. Can't remember the specifics, but after many days, certain things in the interface stop working and makes the windows "bling" sound. It is handy for tinkering. I "tinker" too, especially tuning programs with variables.. when something unexpected does (or doesn't) happen.. I go see all of the variables on one page, last change time, etc However, its not designed for that and to answer the OP, there's no setting to control that
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I don't believe there is a time out, per se. It's not designed to be left running, when you're done working, close it down. Having said that, I forgot to shut it down sometimes and it will run for days before I notice. But I try to remember to shut it down
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You need to clear java cache with all 3 boxes checked, then visit https://isy.universal-devices.com/start.jnlp and download the iox finder. At first execution of the java app, the icon (for that version of iox) is added to your desktop
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ISY Cookbook Scroll down to pg 120. Your programs have variables, so you've used them. Make a State variable call it Pool Cycle Counter, and then add this iox variable statement: $Pool_Cycle_Counter += 1 ... every time a cycle happens Use that variable, either to send that a notification, or take an action in an iox program If $Pool_Cycle_Counter = > (some hard integer number) Then Send notifications, shut things off, $Pool_Cycle_Counter = 0
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This one may not run after startup, it's a key control and should be set to "run at startup" so you know it's right. All of the programs that use a hard time of day: if those started, and then the ISY restarted from a power outage later, what happens (maybe that's where this began)? Based on how the ISY is set to "catch up" on programs when it restarts in the config tab, different things may, or may not happen. I think the randomness of power outage time will make this hard to be bullet proof. It's probably better to get a notification that the ISY restarted, have it shut everything off so you can manually intervene later and not accidentally over chlorinate the pool
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It would be the same approach as your other servers and Rpis. SSH in to the eisy, create python or other method to detect the UPS's mode and issue command line to shut it down. I google searched "shut down freebsd" and specific command line examples were returned.
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I suggest one of these approaches I described above: Maintaining variable state. Right now, when your isy restarts, they''re all being reset to 0. Every where you assign a value to a state variable in a "Then" or else, put an "Init to" statement right under itfor that variable for the same value so the ISY remembers when it resets. Have a program that you set under the programs tab to run at start up and make sure the valves are off (or whatever startup state should be). Different inston / smartenit devices can come back up in different states on a reset. You might have to bench test the program by unplugging the ISY. If you create a deadman program as I described in my first response, you'll want to set that to run at startup too Approach 1 can be a slippery slope and would need more validation testing. A final thought is to have the ISY run a program when it starts up to shut valves off and send you a notification, so it can't over-run and you can be aware and deal with it
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Without seeing your programs there's some guessing on my part. If power goes out, the pump loses power too (?) Variables that haven't been saved with "init to" statements in your iox programs will reset to 0 It will help to see the programs here
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1) create a separate "dead man" switch program. If status pump is on wait xx minutes. (Something longer than it should run) Set pump off Send yourself a dead man program notification else 2) you can mark programs to run at startup. You may want a program that establishes startup conditions (pump off?) sends a notification, and has no "If" statements. Set it to run at startup
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While there is an iox restart program statement (and it's not recommended) there is not a shutdown statement. It's run on BSD Linux, so it's technically possible. Having said that, I went through more power outs on my 994i and raspberry Pi original node servers than I can remember and they came back up. Only a couple outages at my new house on eisy, same thing, came up. What was important was "init" variables in iox programs so particular monitor and control functions stayed whole.
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I had insteon in my last house for > 15 years, and sold the ISY and everything with it. I started over here last summer, and went with i3 paddles... slowly built up to 14. UDI is offering a 10% off promotion for Insteon now, and Insteon offered multiple discounts to those that joined their 2 year celebration call last month... I have 10 more coming to go in. They have a softer look and sound in the house, less clicky and distracting. Nice package, smaller footprint and operate well... They did better than I expected in the WAF department. I believe the core package is still more embedded device and not an SOC.. meaning it likely will never support a linux type operating system or IPV6 stack... so, no Matter coming directly to the switch. If I choose to go matter in the future, I'm counting on implementing it as described in the post above.
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Well said. AFAIK, matter is simply a pathway between devices and not "smarts". eisy will be powerful matter product as its logic is brand (Apple, Google, Amazon, et al) agnostic. Eisy is also the best native Insteon controller, we get the best of all worlds.
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They want to as well; all HA integrators want to. I attended their 2nd Anniversary celebration zoom call a month ago and this exact topic came up. Like UDI, they're not the size of apple, google, amazon, et. al, don't have the resources to deal with the giant ball of matter code and they are struggling to get to the finish line as well. They said they're targeting January. Having said that, I'm fairly confident that they mean that as it applies to their hub and director products, not matter on their embedded devices; switchlincs, etc.
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The 2 bought in the last 10ish months started with 70.7x.xx
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While I understand where indymike is coming from, there a pluses for it being directly integrated with my Insteon network if the Insteon network is strong. Like you I've used them for long periods at my last house. I have them monitoring my sump pump run time and depth alarm at this house and it works well for that purpose. To follow the diagnostic path you've been on, I would plug it back in, but disconnect the input wires to the iolinc and retry. If it reappears, its the iolinc... if it doesn't, its potentially the alarm system or wiring.
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IoX Log Showing Insteon Dimmer Module Constantly Repeating On Off
paulbates replied to gregkinney's topic in IoX Support
A couple of thoughts. I'm guessing you did a factory reset and a restore device. Try just factory resetting it, watch and see what happens. If it's the bulb, I've solved a "kind of" related problem, the "Led Christmas light glow" to deal with the residual voltage from lamp modules. What I did was plug a low voltage device, an old phone charger, at the end of the string. I don't understand the electrical principles involved and I could be off base, but it has worked me on LED strings. Plug one into the extension cord behind the lamp module and watch the logs -
The 994i is an end-of-life product No more software updates / fixes for it. No growth. Newer node servers, integrations won't work. IIRC, the new Insteon i3 switch products don't work, or not all features work with the 994i. I moved last summer from my house that I had my 994i at. I had finished automation around 2016, so I probably would have replaced it with a 994i if it died as my automation wasn't going anywhere. Now I'm at that point with the house I moved to, I've pretty much finished other than a few Insteon n-ways which won't need the eisy once set up. But I plan to be here ~10 years. The point is I'm looking for this eisy to get me through that time and not go through another system rebuild, supported and updated for most of it.
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Relatively. You'll need a backup to restore on the me isy. And then complete the move to the new plm. The cable is a likely culprit and needs to be proven out
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Best practice for adding already-linked Insteon devices to IoX?
paulbates replied to PatPend's topic in IoX Support
It's best for scenes/groups to be created and managed by the isy.. You can do this after the fact by adding them to the isy, the default is for the isy to remove any existing links when adding. A couple of points: Make a spreadsheet of devices with their insteon addresses and locations. If you can, wait until you have the eisy to do any programming of n-way switches and insteon devices. Use the spreadsheet data then This approach applies to inline modules, you can add them to the isy by insteon address -
I don't think you're screwed. Submit a ticket and udi will help you resuscitate it. You might have to pay something as the 994i end-of-life product wise. https://www.universal-devices.com/my-tickets/ The alternative is to consider moving to the eisy.... As you've had 8 years of use which is a very long time for most electronic things
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Another root cause to unpredictable, flaky behavior in an older ISY is the SIM card going bad. This potentially is a cause. I didn't scroll back through this thread to see if this was covered or not... but *it is* something that will eventually happen. If you search the forum for SIM Card, or the wiki the procedure is covered. The problems you are having still seem systemic to me based on their random nature.. ed corrupt PLM or/and corrupt SIM, and not a program suddenly going bad
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IoX Log Showing Insteon Dimmer Module Constantly Repeating On Off
paulbates replied to gregkinney's topic in IoX Support
Unusual symptoms, but a factory reset and restore is easy to do and should be eliminated as a possible cause