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My water bill has been too high last couple years and I want to take advantage of the irrigation module this year. The problem is that Middle Tennessee weather is dominated by pop-up storms during the summer months so you can have 3 inches of rain in one spot and none in an area 1/4 mile away. The closet WeatherBug stations to my house are over 5 miles away -- meaning for rainfall they would be worthless ion many occasions. What are all the variables the irrigation module needs to be accurate and could rainfall be entered/obtained from another very local source? ....even if I had a gauge that required me to read and enter the data by hand or if very lucky found some electronic rain sensor that could measure, transmit, and dump daily. If this is not possible are there other suggestions to get benefit of such well thought out irrigation logic?

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Fully understand and not a problem. You guys are best. I was just amazed that smart home had no idea and it is their device.

First time someone as user or DDI hasn't posted a response before I could get offlline .... What makes it really funny is I called Smarthome "Gold Line" and asked for advice. They said it was not common device and they were going to create lab so they could research and post how these variables interact. BTW, I've got programs to take care of both devices and they works great with pseudo random 10 5 5 settings so I'm more curious than anything else.

Thanks Lee. Going to have to reveal my ignorance --- What do Holdoff Time and Hysteresis mean in this context? What is the affect on system when each is changed up or down. I'd just be guessing at this point. I looked at Smarthome page and they list values by different names as described in their software.

Okay, I left most synchrolinc defaults but raised holdoff time thinking that would be the delay between events (knew it was not case when max it allowed was 17.085 seconds) and account for time washing machine was switching between phases in cycle. My Settings are in image. Log file of full washing cycle run follows and there were I believe 7 on and off cycles. Base off state Laundry Room / Laundry:Washer SynchroLinc Status 0% Tue 2014/04/22 05:44:24 PM System Log Started cycle Laundry Room / Laundry:Washer SynchroLinc Status 100% Tue 2014/04/22 05:50:59 PM System Log Laundry Room / Laundry:Washer SynchroLinc Status 0% Tue 2014/04/22 05:56:08 PM System Log Laundry Room / Laundry:Washer SynchroLinc Status 100% Tue 2014/04/22 05:56:26 PM System Log Laundry Room / Laundry:Washer SynchroLinc Status 0% Tue 2014/04/22 06:12:00 PM System Log Laundry Room / Laundry:Washer SynchroLinc Status 100% Tue 2014/04/22 06:12:18 PM System Log Laundry Room / Laundry:Washer SynchroLinc Status 0% Tue 2014/04/22 06:14:00 PM System Log Laundry Room / Laundry:Washer SynchroLinc Status 100% Tue 2014/04/22 06:14:17 PM System Log Laundry Room / Laundry:Washer SynchroLinc Status 0% Tue 2014/04/22 06:16:00 PM System Log Laundry Room / Laundry:Washer SynchroLinc Status 100% Tue 2014/04/22 06:22:18 PM System Log Laundry Room / Laundry:Washer SynchroLinc Status 0% Tue 2014/04/22 06:26:07 PM System Log Laundry Room / Laundry:Washer SynchroLinc Status 100% Tue 2014/04/22 06:26:25 PM System Log Laundry Room / Laundry:Washer SynchroLinc Status 0% Tue 2014/04/22 06:28:07 PM System Log Laundry Room / Laundry:Washer SynchroLinc Status 100% Tue 2014/04/22 06:28:25 PM System Log Laundry Room / Laundry:Washer SynchroLinc Status 0% Tue 2014/04/22 06:34:08 PM System Log end of cycle Can I tune the synchrolinc setting to have a single on and off? ... or do I account for on/off state via a variable by accounting time required for change between phases using program(s)?

Thanks. All I could find. Will just test.

Lee: Looks straight forward but so that I don't waste time is there any level of write-up that describes how these field interact? I've searched 10 times but can't get magic keywords. Paul

I hope this is not inappropriate and I'll delete if it is.... I'm working with io_guy to get a VenLink or modified DevLink to support all of us that want to use this excellent thermostat. If Venstar does not provide a test unit for his use, I plan to donate half the price for his efforts and wanted to see if others would like to chip in. DSCLink and GCLink are a big part of my ISY environment and I appreciate his efforts to support these third party devices. As a Cross link, other details are at: viewtopic.php?f=82&t=14272 FWIW following is edited email chain about supporting new API and Skyport Cloud at same time: From: Hart2HArt To: thermostatsupp. I'm very interested in using the T5900/T6900 thermostat in my home automation system (would replace T1800? with Insteon adapter). My question is can the new firmware provided API and the Skyport Cloud services exist at same time. I'd use the REST interface from an UDI ISY to control setting and obtain current variables based on living events. However, I want access to the great graphical interface from iOS and PC devices that your Skyport Cloud system provides. Regards, hart2Hart ----------------------------------------------------------------------- to Hart2Hart Hi Paul, Yes, as of the latest firmware version you can use both the local API and the skyport service at the same time. I am not familiar with the UDI ISY system but I’m assuming there needs to be some work done on their end to make it mesh with our calls. The HTTP calls are pretty straightforward and the local API will have support for calls documented at http://developer.venstar.com/. Let me know if you have any further questions.

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Thanks Teken. I had forgotten all about seeing the SynchroLinc announced -- had no use for it at the time. Does anyone have time to post a screen shot or listing of the settings that can be controlled via ISY. I"m going to need to have someone pull dishwasher for access and want to make sure I can fine tune through ISY control. Otherwise, I'll have them install power plug place under sink next to it for easy access -- which I should probably do anyway.

As we wait to see Venstar's response on test unit.... Based on the REST API protocol, should I be able to use DevLink's (on temp basis) generic parser to obtain and set variables in ISY on a polled basis. I'd send settings like setpoints and mode from Network resources as described above. One other point, does it look like the new API and the cloud service could coexist or are they mutually exclusive?

I've got Hot water pump controlled by an Appliancelinc. It is controlled based on combination of time of day and if security system is armed away -- this all works great. In addition, there is a keypadlinc button set as a controller for the very rare very late night or very early morning shower. Now to the question .... I could use the keypadlinc button when washing clothes or dishes outside program timing described above but life (according to my wife and me for that matter )with automation is supposed to be simpler and more energy efficient. Therefore, how can I sense either washing machine is running so I can adjust programs above (with another variable probably) to control Appliancelinc. I think I've got programming covered (famous last words) and am looking for how the experts would approach sensing/determining the machines are running without some overt action like pressing an extra button.

Michel/UDI team: Understand you're fully consumed with zwave at moment. My wife and interior decorator have Been pleading with me to replace current venstar with adapter (don't want to type how they describe them) Any chance this could become supported via API thus enabling MobiLinc direct control. I'm gonna contact io_ guy and see what can be done on temp basis. Since smarthome brought out branded tstat it's been obvious no promised adapter was ever going to happen. This API appears to be venstars answer.

It did work as described and the program showed but I finally realized why it was confusing. This is an 8 button KPL so the A button controls a load with the load wire simply capped and the D button is just a kpl button -- so as they say apples to orangees. I apologize for doubting you Erik and thanks Lee.

Thanks for reminding me of current method but it was possible at some point. In fact I confirmed all just before making the change and it worked fine. As you can see isy used to allow the choice for on off. I'm guessing newer KPL firmware removed option at some point so UD had to change method so it would cover all versions. Michel / others at udi can you confirm?

Thanks, it should work (cant remember ... do I create the new scene to include the D button as a controller or responder to that scene). I've used this method for other simple scenes but situation this covers multiple scenes and has always worked so I've always had it as shown. Did it become not possible to have program as originally written at some point?

I've got two programs to 1)turn on or 2) Turn off all lights based on turning on/off a keypad button or sending one of two IR codes shown below (already changed to reflect change from Keypad A to D) : If IR 'IR_013' is Pressed Or Control 'Master Suite / Master Bedroom:Keypad - D' is switched On Then Run Program 'Whole House:All Lights' (Then Path) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') If IR 'IR_014' is Pressed Or Control 'Master Suite / Master Bedroom:Keypad - D' is switched Off Then Run Program 'Whole House:All Lights' (Else Path) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') If IR codes are sent then, I had been turning on keypad button (redundant if button started process but was never an issue) . Today I wanted to move keypad button but can not keep same method. Current Whole House:All Lights program below has worked for 3 or 4 years: If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Set 'Master Suite / Master Bedroom:Keypad - A' 100% Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Whole House / Whole House:Main Floor Scene' 100% Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Whole House / Whole House:2nd Floor Scene' 100% Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Whole House / Whole House:Outside Scene' 100% Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Whole House / Whole House:Basement Scene' 100% Else Set 'Master Suite / Master Bedroom:Keypad - A' Off Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Whole House / Whole House:Main Floor Scene' Off Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Whole House / Whole House:2nd Floor Scene' Off Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Whole House / Whole House:Outside Scene' Off Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Whole House / Whole House:Basement Scene' Off However if I simply update to select Keypad - D on same Keypadlinc then 100% and Off are not options to select for action. It looks like following by default and list of actions that are just many combinations backlight level. What has changed since original program written and what do I need to do to accommodate? If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Set 'Master Suite / Master Bedroom:Keypad - D' On 0 / Off 0 (Backlight Level) Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Whole House / Whole House:Main Floor Scene' 100% Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Whole House / Whole House:2nd Floor Scene' 100% Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Whole House / Whole House:Outside Scene' 100% Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Whole House / Whole House:Basement Scene' 100% Else Set 'Master Suite / Master Bedroom:Keypad - D' On 0 / Off 0 (Backlight Level) Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Whole House / Whole House:Main Floor Scene' Off Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Whole House / Whole House:2nd Floor Scene' Off Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Whole House / Whole House:Outside Scene' Off Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Whole House / Whole House:Basement Scene' Off

Just in case anyone researching... Following is simpler and better solution -- example of when tempeatrure rises above freezing point. If Control 'Attic / Attic:Temperature Sensor' is switched Off And Control 'Attic / Attic:Temperature Sensor' is not switched On Then Wait 10 minutes Send Notification to 'JPaulText' content 'Attic Temperature Above Freeze Dectected' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Add lines set thermostat out of override mode run program to set temp based on time of day same as at boot time

Xanthros that's what I thought we had including pressure gauge in garage but based on neighbor issues is not. To be honest I'm taking extra precautions until I can fully understand what was installed which I should have already done.

Xanthros, I've got watch point higher than freezing so not am issue. Larryllix, this is temporary until I can get qualified sprinkler firm to add insulation or heat coil as you suggested. No way to run water based on what I've researched and been told.

After thinking about what I want to accomplish in longer term -- would following be simpler and better? FREEZING if sensor is switched on Wait 10 -30 minutes ( will experiment to see how long it takes mechanical temp device to settle) Send notification Set thermostat to desired higher temp set variable that locks out changes to thermostats to locked state ABOVE FREEZING if sensor is switched off Wait 10 -30 minutes Send notification set variable that locks out changes to thermostats to unlocked state run a program that sets temp based on time of day etc (same on that runs at reboot)

Thanks and that works great -- when in doubt break ISY programs into component parts. Like I mentioned, too cold for me to reason!

I've got one of the IOLinc combinations with the Temperature sensors. I've configured it to let me know if attic temp gets low since we have fire sprinkler system and contractor did not insulate pipes well enough for recent low temps -- several neighbors have had burst pipes. At this point, I manually raise the heat setpoint setting for upstairs HVAC unit (keeps attic about 36 degrees) but will eventually make that part of program. (will add insulation when a licensed sprinkler contractor has time) Problem is I never seem to get beyond the fact that once ISY programs start that they will terminate based events impacting their If section. In this case, the temperature sensor bounces back and forth as it reaches trigger point so lots of text messages are generated which lead me to the following that I know will not work. Of course, at first bounce it re-evaluates and the program stays disabled forever. I know what is needed and is represented in program below but how do I do this with ISY logic. Certain it means creating multiple programs but too cold to reason it out today. Help BTW there is an almost identical program for the temperature rising above freeze point. If Control 'Attic / Attic:Temperature Sensor' is switched On Then Send Notification to 'JPaulText' content 'Attic Temperature Below Freeze Warning' Disable Program 'Attic:Temperature Below Freeze Warning' Wait 30 minutes Enable Program 'Attic:Temperature Below Freeze Warning' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

I was on vacation several weeks ago attempting to connect to home router and Chrome did not like my self-signed certificate (on router not ISY). I want to move forward with an SSL certificate for the CISCO router and thought I'd consider getting one to be utilized with ISY. This is an area where I have very little knowledge. Please provide advice on all aspects of what and from whom I should purchase.