someguy

I can tell you ONE way of doing it: if you want a folder to run, put no conditions. If you don't want it to run, do this: -click on the folder -click "schedule" -uncheck "days" -click "add to if" -save changes this will tell the folder to run "never".

One time in the recent past, I hooked up an insteon switch to the the wrong neutral in a double gang box by mistake and every time that I turned on the circuit breaker, it would blow. I'm no electrician, but I'd say you could try it, but it may not work, based on my experience. Any other takers?

that's a good point. let's try this: remove all light bulbs from the fixtures, then go with my 3 steps. if the little LED light on the switchlinc goes on when you turn the power on, then proceed. If not, then you are in series and you have to make another plan.

here is what I would do, not sure if it will work, but worth a try: 1) turn power off at the breaker. 2) hook up an insteon switch to the 14-2 at switch box 1, but if you say the white wire is the power wire, then switch the polarity (black to white and white to black). 3) turn the power on and see if the LED light lights up. If it does, then you could proceed with bringing power to the other switch with the other two wires and making it work. My guess is that my plan won't work, but it is worth a try. This might be the other option: http://www.smarthome.com/2474S/2-Wire-I ... ite/p.aspx even if you don't want to go this way, the wiring diagram in the user manual may be of help.

Rand: so, you are saying that ON is considered > 90% by the ISY, but it doesn't keep running the program over and over because the status doesn't change? (I'm sorry to keep beating this up, but I was told in a previous thread that I can't find now, that ON and >(some number)% are not the same thing.) thanks, someguy

Here is my scenario: I have the lights in my home gym controlled by an insteon "skylink" 2420 motion sensor. I didn't want my treadmill that is plugged into an outletlinc to ever go off while I was in the middle of using it. I devised this "safety" that would give me a couple of minutes of time between the lights going off and the treadmill going off, just in case I had to leave the room for a few minutes. This same scenario could be used if someone wanted a warning that the motion sensor had timed out. This way, the first light that goes off could be the warning and then the rest of the lights would go off a determined amount of time later. program: Gym treadmill off: If Control 'Gym-6-Motion Sensor' is switched Off Then Wait 2 minutes Run Program 'Gym treadmill off 2' (If) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Gym Treadmill off 2 (this program is not enabled): the IF part may be a bit redundant, but it works. If Status 'Gym-6-Motion Sensor' is Off Then Set 'Gym-5-Treadmill outletlinc' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') This last program stops the above programs from turning off the treadmill if motion is sensed again: If Control 'Gym-6-Motion Sensor' is switched On Then Stop program 'Gym treadmill off' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') One of the other things that I could throw in here is a comment about the use of these motion sensors. With an X10 motion sensor, each ON command is sent out, but the insteon 2420 motion sensor is different. If the light is turned on by the sensor and you manually turn the light off at the switch, it will not go on again until you have left the room for long enough for the sensor to turn it's status to to OFF. This could be a good thing or a bad thing, depending upon what you are trying to accomplish.

Yes, ON is 100% (OFF is 0%), so ON is > 90% and the condition is True. 90% is NOT > 90%, so the condition is False. I'm not completely sure that this is correct that ON is considered to be >90%. I have written a program that I use for a for a dimmer that controls fixtures that have compact fluorescent bulbs in them that I don't want to dim. It says: If Status 'Gym-1- light by TV' > 50% Then Set 'Gym-1- light by TV' On Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') This program will run one time when I try to dim the light and will not continue to run over and over after the light gets to "ON".

1. when you click the main tab in the admin console, then click "my lighting", on the left you will see the motion sensor on three lines, dusk/dawn, low batt and motion sensor with a percent sign looking thing next to all of them, but you will not see it on the right side. it is a sensor so I guess that is the reason it isn't on the right panel. 2. I don't know about the jumper, but you could try using the ISY to turn down or off the little red light. to do this, click on the sensor and then click on "set options". You'll need to put the unit in program mode to make it happen. 3. the way the 2420 works, is it sends one on command and then when the time runs out, it sends one off command. (unless you have the jumper on that disables the off). There is a jumper that disables the off, I'd look here: http://www.smarthome.com/manuals/2420mqs.pdf

okay, I got it working. It must have taken a couple of hours for the "system busy" dialog box to go away. Instead of deleting the scene, I tried deleting each light from the scene and then deleting the scene. This worked. Then I made a new scene and tried adding four lights to it at the same time and it didn't work. Then I tried adding the lights one at a time, then the motion sensor. NOW IT WORKS! When the motion sensor turns them on, the status reads on the ISY as ON and vice versa. I now can use the program that says When the "gym motion sensor" is switched off, wait five minutes and then turn the treadmill off. This was done so as to avoid having the treadmill turn off while I was using it. (the lights going off is a 5 minute warning that the treadmill will turn off.)

What does "default them" mean?

no keypadlinc, just 4 switchlincs. it's now been over an hour, probably more like an hour and a half and it is still cycling through.

yes, I set up the scene in the ISY. I tried to delete the scene and here is what happened. The dialog box came up that says "system busy". I put the motion sensor in programming mode. then another box came up that said "request failed". the "system busy" box remains up and when it gets to 99% it starts over at 0% and counts up from there. It has been doing this for at least 30 minutes now. I tried exiting the console and logging back in and it is still there. Is this a 2.6.13 bug? How do I stop it? unplug the PLM or unplug the ISY from the PLM?

what steps could you recommend to try to diagnosis/fix it?

I have my insteon motion sensor connected to three lightswitches in my home gym and when it works fine. I use have used the ISY to adjust the off-time successfully. Here is where the problem is: when I use the motion sensor to turn on the lights, the ISY still reads the status of the lights as "off".

so, if I make a program that says: if bedroom light is > 90% then turn on bathroom light, what will happen if the light is "ON'? is that >90% (according to the ISY)? what will happen if the light is at exactly 90%, which obviously isn't >90%?

okay, thanks. happy new year.

I have an outletlinc that I use to control some Christmas lights. I'd like to put it away for the off-season and not have my ISY complaining that it can't find it on my network. I suppose I could just plug it in somewhere out of the way, but is there a way to tell the ISY to ignore it for awhile, bt not remove it so I don't have to set it up again next year?

okay, I guess I'll have to give up on this one, because I can't figure out for the life of me why I'd want to set up a program and then have a line in it set it as false and then run the else part. makes no sense to me, but I'm sure someone has a good use for it. My ISY just won't be running on that level. Rand, thanks for your attempt.

I have read these parts of the wiki, specifically: http://www.universal-devices.com/mwiki/ ... ing_Run_If http://www.universal-devices.com/mwiki/ ... ing_Run_If I read them again and I don't think that they are explained very well. They use examples that are so friggin complicated that it makes no sense to me. Anybody have a simpler explanation as to what the difference is between run (path) and run (if)?

okay, well I'm not sure I completely understand all of this stuff but I'm learning. I think I'm up to the fourth grade level. I really appreciate all of your help. This forum is damn good. can anyone refer me to a place where I can read the real difference between "then (path)" and "then (if)". I read the FAQ and it doesn't really help me.

wwat: I suppose I could wait a couple of hours and find out, but what is wrong with my program. Why won't it work. I'm referring to the one that has two programs that you replied to with four programs. I'd just like to learn where I went wrong. edit: also: why did you use "then (path)" instead of "then (if)"? I have a hard time understanding the difference between these two. To me, if...then is if...then. also: why was it necessary to make the two programs run two seconds apart?

just in case it isn't clear, I am wanting the lights to flash at 10pm: off then on if they are on OR on then off if they are off. tell me where these go wrong: program 1, enabled: If Time is 10:00:00PM Then Run Program 'Hearth Flash 10pm b' (If) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') program 2, not enabled: If Status 'Hearth-5-Lamplinc' < 20% Or Status 'Hearth-5-Lamplinc' is Off Then Set 'Hearth-5-Lamplinc' Fast On Set 'Hearth-3-West Light, by TV' Fast On Wait 1 second Set 'Hearth-5-Lamplinc' Fast Off Set 'Hearth-3-West Light, by TV' Fast Off Else Set 'Hearth-5-Lamplinc' Fast Off Set 'Hearth-3-West Light, by TV' Fast Off Wait 1 second Set 'Hearth-5-Lamplinc' Fast On Set 'Hearth-3-West Light, by TV' Fast On

okay, thanks for all of that info. I was not aware that OFF is not <20% as far as ISY is concerned. thanks for that.

Okay, now I think I understand. so, why didn't it run the "else" part of the program right when I created the program at around 8pm last night?

edit: okay, I found it. thanks.