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This from the event log: INSTEON Device Control Value Time User Log Type 0 -12 Sun 02/08/2009 08:32:24 PM System -50001

Hi Mike, The only visible error is a message box that says 'Request Failed'. I opened the event viewer and set to level 3 but there was nothing reported there. My firewall was off during the test. Wayne

Hi Michel, Email notifications use to work but it stopped. I can't say for sure which version of ISY it stopped, but its not working now. Regards, Wayne

Rands approach of a direct link to get the lights to response faster (almost instantly) on MS triggering worked to some extent. I even tried scenes in place of a direct link and that was also faster than the current program only approach. The problem with both of these methods is that control of lighting levels are lost to the device/scene after the MS countdown timer has ended and the MS sends another 'ON' command. One of our requirements is to allow for manual control of the lights and this is where the problem arises. If the light is manually set via the paddle, once the MS sends the next 'ON' command it changes the lighting level to the default of the device/scene causing confusion for the occupant. As far as I can see the only way around this would be to place the current lighting level in a variable and pass that onto the scene so when activated it wont be noticed because the level will be the same as the current level. Unfortunately we dont have variables. Hopefully there is some resolution that I'm not seeing at the moment.. Thanks, Wayne

Very good comments. Didn't know that the MS could be set to anything less than a minute. Darrell pointed out that a 'no motion' period is required for the 'ON' command to be resent. With this in mind I think this was my original reason for setting a fixed time period. This fixed time period was a bit of a guestimate of the time period that light would be required in a particlar area of the the house. The ensuite is set to 2 minutes and the main bathroom is set to 4 minutes. Knowing this if we think we will overshoot that time we just hit the 'ON' paddle and the sensor is effectively disabled. Not the ideal solution I know but it does seem to work, even for guests. The guests are unlikely to spend more than 4 minutes in the main bathroom so that is usually covered and no one else uses the ensuite. I would really like to find a solution that enables the lights to turn on instantly without the current delay and Nand seems to have found a solution for that but I have to think about how to incorporate that into my solution. The amount of light is very important because I rearly turn lights on full, after 11.30 pm they only ever come on at 30%, so if the desired percentage can't be achieved through a direct connect then that approach cant be used. Appreciate the comments from both of you, I'll try a few things based on these comments and post back. -Wayne.

Hi, Thanks to MikeB's recents comments I was able to write a new more efficient method for my motion sensors and switchlinks. The main objective was to have the motion sensor switch the light on, and if the paddle was pressed in any way take control away from the motion sensor. Otherwise the light would turn off at the specified amount of time, in my case that is 4 minutes. For this to work you have to close jumper 4 (put box on both pins), that disables the countdown 'Off' timer. The motion sensor will still send the 'On' command after the timeout period. Regards, Wayne ps. if you find any problems please post them here. Motion Sensor On Enable program If Control 'Main Bath MS - Sensor' is switched On And Status 'Main Bath SL - Light' is Off Then Run Program 'Motion Sensor Off' (If) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Motion Sensor Off Enable program If Control 'Main Bath SL - Light' is not switched On And Control 'Main Bath SL - Light' is not switched Off And Control 'Main Bath SL - Light' is not switched Fast On And Control 'Main Bath SL - Light' is not switched Fast Off And Control 'Main Bath SL - Light' is not switched Fade Up And Control 'Main Bath SL - Light' is not switched Fade Down Then Set 'Main Bath SL - Light' 65% Wait 4 minutes Set 'Main Bath SL - Light' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

I'd like to see more time on QA than new devices personally. I tend to agree, its not a deal breaker for me as long as I know how it works then I can start planning for it. If you are left in the dark about these things then you spend so much time screwing around when its never going to work in the first place. IF this amounts to a break in specification then the problems some of us were experiencing with ISY in ver .14 could be just the beginning, who knows what other problems will arrise.

Yes exactly... However, we still dont know what the problem was.

I have had confirmation from Smarthomes that i1(only) devices will repeat i2 information throughout the network. (i.e Customers will not be required to purchase some new infrustructure in the future just to get their new i2 products to work on existing networks.) Edit: The above refers to standard messages. Extended messages (for programming of devices) can only be repeated by i2 enabled devices.

Very good, so that one is solved because there is a 22 record for both of the deleted devices.

Hi Michel, I just noticed that when devices are removed from a scene the corresponding records are not being removed from the ISY and remotelink device tables. I removed 2 of the 8 devices from the scene: 1. Programming mode (DIM + Bright until light flashes) moved remotelink right next to access point. 2. Removed one of the devices 3. Removed second device 4. Checked tables for consistency using Campare feature. 5. Closed ISY and reopen with same results. Wayne

Hi Michel, I did do some programming after resetting everything. After some time I checked the tables and found the mis-matched record. Steps: 1. Remove ALL devices from ISY 2. Factory reset ALL devices 3. Re-added devices to ISY 4. Verified that both ISY and device tables matched. 5. Performed programming. Programming - Created 2 scenes as follows: Scene1: 1. Added a combination of 8 different devices to a scene by seperately drag and drop onto scene (as responders) Including: 5 x Swtichlink V4(3.5) 2 x Lamplink V 4.3 1 x Outletlink 2. Added Remotelink (Rev.1) Button C as a controller Scene 2: Added 1 lamplink (same lamplink that is in scene1) Added Remotelink Button A I noticed that the remotelink LED began to flash on and off 4 or 5 times after pressing buttons, I dont know if this is normal behavour or not but generally it flashes once when the button is pressed. If you need any further info let mw know. Regards, Wayne ps. I just noticed that when devices are removed from a scene the corresponding records are not being removed from the ISY and remotelink device tables. I removed 2 of the 8 devices from the scene: 1. Programming mode (DIM + Bright until light flashes) moved remotelink right next to access point. 2. Removed one of the devices 3. Removed second device 4. Checked tables for consistency using Campare feature. 5. Closed ISY and reopen with same results.

For clarity I'll add that after upgrading to 2.6.14 I removed every device from ISY and factory reset all of them. After adding them all back to ISY the tables matched perfectly, now after a few days of use the Remotelink has mismatched records.

I performed a factory reset on the device and then restored, and that worked of course. How can this happen now we are back to the more robust i1 programming. Should these records get validated as they are written to the devices? Thanks, Wayne Oh, I see. That is odd. Did restoring the RL correct the extra flashing? Thank you, Rand

Hi Rand, I'm not refering to the extra record at the end, the problemmatic record is the mismatched record 2 from the end record in he table on the right (Device table) Regards, Wayne

Hi Michel, I noticed that the RemoteLink light started flashing a lot more than usual so I checked the table with the ISY table and found the following. Note the record mismatch. Regards, Wayne ps. I will check all my other devices again to see whether they are also starting to get these problems.

My appologies, I interpreted you as meaning the lights will be on 24/7 with changing light levels at the stated times. Glad you got it working. Wayne

This is one way of doing it and there are several. Since you mentioned 'Scene' here is a method using scenes and a program. Create a scene called 'Bathroom' and add the lights you intend to use. Create a program in the following manner using your own device names. You might have to adjust the 'Sunrise' setting to suit your requirements. Wayne If From 2:00:00AM To Sunrise (same day) Then In Scene 'Bathroom' Set 'Bathroom Light' 15% (On Level) Set Scene 'Bathroom' On Else In Scene 'Bathroom' Set 'Bathroom Light' 100% (On Level) Set Scene 'Bathroom' On

Hi, Just thinking ahead a little when i2 gets up and running. Will all the i1 (only) devices be capable of repeating the i2 instructions? Isn't one of the main features of Insteon it's mesh network where all devices repeat information to build the network. Otherwise it means more accesspoints which is going to be rather ugly and more expensive. Regards, Wayne

If the device is NOT in a scene it wont update immediately. When placed in a scene it will. Let me know if you need any further info. Wayne

Michel, A tiny issue, hope they are all this small When you rename a device the interface doesn't update the same name in the membership box until you move focus to another device and back again. Wayne

Michel, I have the extra record problem where a restore does not fix it. Also there is an additional problem where the compare function is marking records as '[Extra Record]' when they are not. See below. Regards, Wayne Device links --> Start Compare Restore Device --> Device links --> Start --> Compare

Hi jhoulihan, You will have to modify the programs below to suit your hardware and device names and parameters. I'm using dimable switchlinks and wanted it so that any manual intervention with the paddle would effectively prevent the motion detector from controlling the light until the light was manually switched off. The only problem is it took me 5 programs to do it. If you search this board you will find other programs that provide similar functionality but they are different. Regards, Wayne ps. if you work out a way to reduce the number of programs with the same functionality I would appreciate you posting the results. Motion Turn On If Control 'Ensuite MS - Sensor' is switched On And Status 'Ensuite SL - Mirror Light' is Off And Program 'Motion Disable (On)' is False And Program 'Motion Disable (Off)' is False Then Set 'Ensuite SL - Mirror Light' 75% Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Motion Turn Off If Control 'Ensuite MS - Sensor' is switched Off And Status 'Ensuite SL - Mirror Light' is not Off And Program 'Motion Disable (On)' is False And Program 'Motion Disable (Off)' is False Then Set 'Ensuite SL - Mirror Light' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Motion Disable (On) If Control 'Ensuite SL - Mirror Light' is switched On Or Control 'Ensuite SL - Mirror Light' is switched Dim Or Control 'Ensuite SL - Mirror Light' is switched Bright Or Control 'Ensuite SL - Mirror Light' is switched Fast On Or Control 'Ensuite SL - Mirror Light' is switched Fade Down Or Control 'Ensuite SL - Mirror Light' is switched Fade Up Then - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Motion Disable (Off) If Control 'Ensuite SL - Mirror Light' is switched Off Or Control 'Ensuite SL - Mirror Light' is switched Fast Off Then Run Program 'Motion Disable (On)' (If) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Reset Motion Disable If Control 'Ensuite MS - Sensor' is switched Off Then Run Program 'Motion Disable (Off)' (If) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

Does it have to be the first fixture, if thats a yes then which is the first fixture, from which end. My fixtures are in a square pattern in the basement ceiling (so no attic ) I was able to pull one of the fittings down and can get at the box which is screwed to the joists. At this stage I haven't got an InlineLink but would you mind explaining exactly how it would all work. Do I use standard 3-way switches and if so how does the dimming work etc.. Thank you, Wayne

unless you want to pull a wire to that box. Thats not as bad as it sounds, and thinking more about it I might just do that down the road because this part of the house will be renovated within the next 12 months and the walls will be opened. I certainly wont do anything that violates code so if I were to go ahead it would have to be the Inlinelink route. Appreciate everyones helps. Wayne