
Brian H
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I have seen the earlier hardware power line only Insteon Modules. Reported to be more prone to power line issues. Get into a unknown state.. That an AC power cycle reset clearing the unknown state. The troubleshooting chart in the full users manuals would say to do a AC power cycle reset for locked up and strange acting devices. Noise on the AC power from storms could be a factor in your modules issues.
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Your decoding the capacitor markings look correct. 8.25 uF and 4.75 uF. I double recommend getting capacitors rated for use on AC Power Line connections. My thoughts on the Triac in the FanLinc is they use them to switch the different capacitor into the Fan Load Output. Check you fans wiring thoroughly. They could be connecting the caps to different winding taps for some speeds or changing direction by swapping wires.
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Many of the older power line only Insteon modules. Used a power line derived type power supply. With a capacitor to limit the current into a Zenner Diode regulated supply. They could get confused by some line noise and needed a power cycle reset. I can also verify the 2456D and 2456S modules have the +5 volt Logic supply connected directly to the AC Line input pin and logic regulation all in the common side.
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If all three Blue LEDs are on. That is not correct. Here is some UDI Wiki information on the front panel LEDs. http://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=Main_Page#Front_Panel_LEDs.2FLights Before calling the ISY994i defective. I would also suggest the power up sequences mentioned to see if anything changed. I would suspect the 2413S PLM before the ISY994i. Unless you where counting on Insteon RF only and the PLM was also on a surge suppressor or UPS. It is directly connected to the incoming AC power. I have also seen some indications the RS232 IC in the 2413S PLM was sometimes an issue and I know they changed it to an ESD rated IC in the hardware 2.3 and above.
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Not necessarily the PLM. Do a search here. There are a few All On, All Off and maybe random changes. In threads here. Not related to a PLM.
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Just make a note. The HUB's Insteon ID will be in the Alert Module and the ISY994i will not know it. If for any reason you may restore the Alert Module with the ISY994i it may over write the HUB's ID.
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If the valve has limit switches or can be held open or closed with the 24VAC. The 2450 I/OLinc NO and NC relay outputs and a 24VAC supply should work. Reason I ask about limit switches or holding open and closed. Is 24VAC will be active on either the Open or Closed wiring all the time. So it has to stop with a internal limit switch or designed to be held open and closed. I would imagine if you had to. You could use an On/Off module to control power to the 24VAC supply and then the 2450 to open and close the valve itself. As Stu asked. If you can provide a link to the valve or its model number. It would be a big help. I did a web search. I found a manual for a PE24VA Pool Valve. If your is a PV24VA or similar. It has Limit Switches to stop it when the valve is open or closed. So a 24VAC supply and a 2450 I/OLinc should control it.
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Did a quick search. You can find all kinds of water flow sensors. You could find one that could pulse a I/OLinc Sensor Input or maybe the the external input on an Open/Closed sensor. Some have sealed Hall Effect sensor that may work. Others have small impellers the move on water flow. Both had pulsed outputs.
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May not matter in this case. You are using the older ISY99i/Pro with the latest firmware it can accommodate? Did the 2441TH and all the modules add correctly? Standard question these days. Is the PLM the older 2412S or the present 2413S. If a 2413S how old is it? They have a reputation to fail at about two years and a few months.
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The review section of the 2413S page. Indicated they had identified a problem component and V2.3 should have the fix. I believe it was the RS232 IC as the latest one has a ESD classification . The C7 and C13 are now 50 volt and component glued against the PCB. As they where a tight fit in the normal vertical position.
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In April 2017 I received a 2413S PLM V2.3. Date Code:4216.
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Time will tell. My V2.3. Date Code:4216. I see the same questionable brand Fujucon capacitors. Just C7 and C13 are now 100uF 50V and to fit them in. Laying sideways with a small gob of component glue holding them. As the space is too tight for them vertically in the normal through hole pads on the PCB.
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I had seen vague reports of the serial chip on the daughter board having issues. Not sure if the brand was changed or normal production parts availability change. It is now a TI brand MAX232EI on my latest recently purchased V2.3 PLM. It has ESD rating I don't believe the older ones had.
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I don't remember seeing any official statement from Smarthome or Smartlabs on the power supply issue corrections. I know V2.1 had C7 and C13 changed to 100uF/35V. My V2.3 Date Code 4216 changed C7 and C13 to 100uF/50 volts and they are horizontal stuck to the PCB with some component glue. Due to size maybe. I did see in the Reviews section for the 2413S. Smarthome said they had found a problem component and it was changed in V2.3. I also vaguely remember when the 2413S was back ordered and the serial chip on the daughter board was mentioned. The V2.3 no longer has the ST232 RS232 interface chip. It is now a TI MAX232E. With IEC61000-4-2 Protection. Could be just a prats availability thing or was an issue.
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The Sensor LED is part of a pull up on the Sensor Input and can start to glow if pulled partway to the Ground pin. Mine will sense an on at about .90 volts measured to ground.
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Week 29 of 2016 The failure clock is while powered. Reports usually show anytime after two years and a few months. Some users have had over three years it varies.
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Ten amps at 120 volts. Is 1200 watts. There is no Insteon dimmer type with over a 1000 watt rating.
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It may depend on if it is an Amazon sold and fulfilled or an Amazon Marketplace Store. I got mine from Amazon sold and fulfilled. It was a hardware 2.3 with a very recent Date Code. I believe it was a few dollars more than the one in your link. Though the Amazon prices seem to side up and down on a daily basis. I can't say if the Marketplace has the latest hardware revisions. I know in the Smarthome reviews of the PLM. They indicated 2.3 had a fix for a component they found was a problem. I know my 2.3 has a ESD rated RS232 IC on the Daughter Board while my 2.1 has an ST232 on it. Caps where the same brand but C7 and C13 are now 100uF 50 volt laying flat on the board with component glue holding them from moving. As they where large to go vertical. While my 2.1 where 100uF 35 volt. Depending on the age of your old one. It may have the original C7 and C13 of 10uF/35 Volt. They later went to 100Uf/35 volt. Now 100uF/ 50 volt. Yes there have been incremental changes as the revisions where made. I believe it ends tonight at 11:59 PM PDT. There is a 20% off sale on Insteon modules new and refurbished. I did see the 2413S PLM on the sales page for the 20% sale.
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Thank you for the information on the choke you used and how it was installed. You used one of the two coils in the assembly? Not a bad price. $6.30 compared to the ones, if you can even find one, being sold by the dimmer manufacturers. Only thing to consider is the ten amp rating with regard to the total current the loads are using.
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Did you purchase a ISY994i with a Z-Wave option installed? If not you can add it if you use a Z-Wave protocol lock. http://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=Z-Wave:_Ordering/Assembly_Instructions
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Thank you for sharing your solution. The module does have a external sensor terminal block but would have been hard to wire and probably more messy.
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If the lights are flickering even when there is no Insteon power line traffic. You may have an electrical problem in your home and want to get it checked out. Some Insteon modules flash their LEDs on seeing power line signals. Power line noise can also make them flash. If there is enough power line noise it will stop Insteon power line signals from working correctly. I believe the Dual band models are polite. So again if the module thinks there are communications on the power line. It may not pass anything back to the power line.
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If it was a power blip causing the issue. An AC power cycle to the module may correct it. Remove the AC power from the module. Wait fifteen seconds and power it back up. The Air Gap switch on modules can do the cycle. As long as when you push it back in. You don't go farther than its normal position. If pushed all the way in it does a Factory Reset.
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I would suspect something else with that many things at one time. Maybe a real bad power line signal noise maker or signal sucker. Has anything changed electronically in the home? Due to their poor reputation. I routinely think of PLM issues. How old is your PLM? Can you see how many links are in the PLM Link Database? Is the LED on the PLM On and Green? If you power down the PLM and ISY994i. Then power up the PLM and allow it to initialize. Then power up the ISY994i. Has anything changed?
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I have seen reports the a 1 or 2 second delay between X10 commands being sent was recommended. Especially if you had things like an active X10 phase coupler repeater in the setup.