Mark Sanctuary

Ok good I started out correctly then. I did not use the "Remove Modem (PLM)" thank goodness. I can't seem to get the darn "Restore Modem (PLM)" to complete without getting the "Request Failed" error. What is this error mean again?

I got my old 4a PLM replacement from Smarthome for a new 5.2 PLM; what are the steps to swapping out the old one for the new one? Here is my guess: [*:v2pfhk0r]Login to the ISY and do a "Remove Modem (PLM)" on the old 4a PLM. [*:v2pfhk0r]Physically unplug all old PLM connections and just ISY power. [*:v2pfhk0r]Plug-in all connections to the new PLM and wait for it to stop flashing. [*:v2pfhk0r]Plug-in the ISY power and wait for lights to stop flashing. [*:v2pfhk0r]Login to the ISY and do a "Restore Modem (PLM)" on the new 5.2 PLM. If these are the correct steps what should someone do if they skipped step 1 "Remove Modem (PLM)" and just started at step two instead?

I think that thru either source works; Michel helps people deal with Smarthome if they don't cooperate. Otherwise Michel and team are glad to switch out PLMs for firmware that you bought direct from them. UDI really wants to see this product become successful; it is the right form factor to be the majority controller for home Insteon setups in my own opinion. Either way Smarthome gets the outdated ones back and reflashes them with new firmware to send back out again...recycling. I talked with one of the guys in length over at Smarthome and they built the Insteon family of products boards, cases, frames, etc all the same so they could recycle them in any number of ways. Parts is parts.

It could be your browser cache holding old files. Try clearing out your web browser’s temporary internet files and rebooting you computer then I think you should be able to log in correctly. This has been a common issue for many with the new beta.

Hey Michel, Do you think you might be able to create a webpage on the UDI site with a java calculator for the PLM link count question. I think many future users would find it useful for determining their setup size for the ISY. Concept Number of 6 button KeypadLincs: [_____] Number of 8 button KeypadLincs: [_____] Number of ControLincs: [_____] Number of RemoteLincs: [_____] Number of Controller-Responder Devices: [_____] Number of Responder Devices: [_____] Number of Scenes you want to create: [_____] Total links needed will be approximately: [ ### ]

I am going to leave most your questions up to Michel to answer, but I do want to tell you I have fiddled with most everything you mention (X10, PLC timer programs, houselinc, etc) and the ISY is night and day from what you have used before. The learning curve on the ISY is somewhat steep mostly because the documentation has not caught up with development but the ISY is well worth it. You will not want to go back to anything else after you get an ISY. I suggest you ask Michel for the latest ISY firmware beta if the beta program is still running by the time you get your ISY because the scheduling and triggering is vastly improved in it. I would not worry about PLM space for your setup, unless you’re crazy with scenes, and I mean crazy with them, you won't run into a problem with the current PLM.

Now that things are getting very refined I am really starting to enjoy my ISY with this new beta version. It is quite amazing when you get all devices, scenes, and programs dialed in how well the setup can work. GOOD JOB GUYS!

This program is a stable way to make sure you have night time lighting on the outside of your home.

Here is a little schedule program for controlling your outside lighting to turn the lights on at nighttime and off in the daytime. To make sure this program works well I have added one repeat 10 seconds later. If From Sunset To Sunrise (next day) Then Set Scene 'Outside Security Scene' On Wait 10 seconds Set Scene 'Outside Security Scene' On Else Set Scene 'Outside Security Scene' Off Wait 10 seconds Set Scene 'Outside Security Scene' Off

Is the next release a beta 2.4.11 or live 2.5? Any list of fixes for the next release? When is its release date?

This works well too with control condition so if you want it NOT to work when other scenes control the bathroom lights then use control instead.

This is got to be one of the most common triggers everyone is going to be doing; bathroom timers for the light that gets left on. Here is an example on how to setup a bathroom timer. My personal suggestion on length of time is 1 hour. I have found that anything less just gets bothersome especially when the ladies can end up being in the bathroom for quite a long time. In this code you can see there is more than one button in the bathroom so in order to make the timer work for both buttons they both have to be checked. If Status 'Guest Bath Main' is not Off Or Status 'Guest Bath Tub' is not Off Then Wait 1 hour Set Scene 'Guest Bath Scene' Off

I improved the program with a couple wait calls and added some notes above.

Chris, This is one of those annoying issues that when adjusting existing programs between Control and Status. Is there any chance it might be fixed in the next beta drop?

Here are some cool programs for augmenting interactiveness of your “All†lights scene. This “LED follow scene†and “ISY Program†gives your “All†lights scene the ability to show status of all the lights in your house. And have the all lights buttons ready to toggle the “All†lights scene in the right direction. If you have a few lights on in the house and you see this because the LED is on for the “All†lights button then you can just tap it once and all the lights will go off. Another nice thing about this program is you can control any of your lights in the house and the LED will update automatically. Inside All Scene This is the all lights scene that will be watched with this program. Dining Hutch Family Desk Family Desk (5) Family Main (D) All Family Main (load) Family Screen Guest Bath Main Guest Bath Tub Kitchen Island Kitchen Main Kitchen Main (slave) Kitchen Pantry Kitchen Sink Master Bath Main Master Bath Tub Master Hallway Master Main (D) All Master Main (load) Master Main (slave) Master Read Amy Master Read Mark Master Screen All LEDs Follow Scene Add LED buttons for each keypadlinc “All†scene as responders in the follow scene. This lets you have them as controllers in the other button scenes they control. Family Main (D) All Master Main (D) All All Scene LED Trigger Program The important tip to remember with this trigger program is that you need to make sure all your scenes are consistent and are turning your devices all the way off. Any devices that don’t get turned off will cause the LEDs not go off and this will leave you wondering why. So if this is causing you trouble check the list of devices and find the ones that are not turning all the way off and trace back to where it has got left out of your system. By using the “is not Off†this check will work on both dimmers and switches. The “Wait†commands help make it reliable so the follow scene does not run into too much Insteon network traffic. If Status 'Dining Hutch' is not Off Or Status 'Family Desk' is not Off Or Status 'Family Main (load)' is not Off Or Status 'Family Screen' is not Off Or Status 'Guest Bath Main' is not Off Or Status 'Guest Bath Tub' is not Off Or Status 'Kitchen Island' is not Off Or Status 'Kitchen Main' is not Off Or Status 'Kitchen Main (slave)' is not Off Or Status 'Kitchen Pantry' is not Off Or Status 'Kitchen Sink' is not Off Or Status 'Master Bath Main' is not Off Or Status 'Master Bath Tub' is not Off Or Status 'Master Hallway' is not Off Or Status 'Master Main (load)' is not Off Or Status 'Master Main (slave)' is not Off Or Status 'Master Read Amy' is not Off Or Status 'Master Read Mark' is not Off Or Status 'Master Screen' is not Off Then Wait 2 seconds Set Scene 'All LEDs Follow Scene' On Else Wait 2 seconds Set Scene 'All LEDs Follow Scene' Off Program 2: This little schedule program is an energy saver because it makes sure all the lights are off during the day time when no one is at home. It is delayed a bit because sometimes it’s still dark because of the weather. Energy Saver Schedule Program If Time is Sunrise + 2 hours Then Set Scene 'Inside All Scene' Off Program 3: This little trigger program is handy when you want to control your “All†lights scene from a single switch or dimmer. It uses the Fast Off to create a second function from the switch. So all you have to do is double-tap the switch Off and it will run the program. Fast Off Trigger Program If Control 'Master Read Mark' is switched Fast Off Then Set Scene 'Inside All Scene' Off

What would be cool though is to be able to give "Status" the scene and it would check the whole list of on/off devices in the scene list.

Here is how I ended up doing it, basicly building my All scene into one big if statement. This is quite the cool little program because the All LEDs are on when any light is on in the house otherwise the led is off. If Status 'Dining Hutch' is not Off Or Status 'Family Desk' is not Off Or Status 'Family Main (load)' is not Off Or Status 'Family Screen' is not Off Or Status 'Guest Bath Main' is not Off Or Status 'Guest Bath Tub' is not Off Or Status 'Kitchen Island' is not Off Or Status 'Kitchen Main' is not Off Or Status 'Kitchen Main Slave' is not Off Or Status 'Kitchen Pantry' is not Off Or Status 'Kitchen Sink' is not Off Or Status 'Master Bath Main' is not Off Or Status 'Master Bath Tub' is not Off Or Status 'Master Hallway' is not Off Or Status 'Master Main (load)' is not Off Or Status 'Master Main Slave' is not Off Or Status 'Master Read Amy' is not Off Or Status 'Master Read Mark' is not Off Or Status 'Master Screen' is not Off Then Set Scene 'Inside Both All LEDs' On Else Set Scene 'Inside Both All LEDs' Off

I was wanting to create a trigger that would watch the devices in my "All" scene. I have the "All" scene that has about 22 devices in it. Here is the logic I was planning to do. [*:2t4fbktu]Check if all lights in the All scene are off. [*:2t4fbktu]If not then turn on the All LEDs on both keypadlincs with a follow scene. So do you think we could have scenes added to Status which would allow a whole scene to be check for any lights on/off? If Status 'scene' is not all Off Or should I create a huge list of conditions like this example below? If Status 'device1' is not Off Or Status 'device2' is not Off Or Status 'device3' is not Off ... Or Status 'device20' is not Off Or Status 'device21' is not Off Or Status 'device22' is not Off

Insteon does not have a live scene command. It has to activate scenes that are already loaded in each device. I think the device is always listening for its scene to be called, and if it hears it on the network it activates that scene.

I guess the best way is go try to figure out what scenes where on and turn those back on. That would be much less Insteon traffic unless there is many scenes on then it would take several scene requests. I wonder if there is a way to look at this by subtracting the security scene. I am trying to think outside of the box, the hard part is the Insteon protocol has us boxed in on this idea. This is getting more difficult as I think about it. Geese.

Michel, thank you for giving something to this topic.

I will go with adding a popup warning about "This slider is a LOCAL value only, which will not affect the level/rate when a device button is pressed." I think the most important thing for the colors is carrying them into the scene window, because it is creating a visual cross reference between the tree window and scene window. This would be only one change on your part, which would be is coloring the Controller italic red in the scene window. Controller Controlsponder Responder Scene Name ISY Controller tree example: ISY Controller scene example:

Getting much more stable that’s for sure.

Michel, what do you think about the last few details I submitted?

I started to realize I was not taking in to account the idea of sending non group commands for all the levels. This is going to take a bit more thought.