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Posted

This is so frustrating.

I just installed FIBARO MOTION SENSOR FGMS-001. The box says Zwave Plus ver.3.2. At first it didn't include properly, second time it did but it did not report motion detection so I excluded it, reseted and included it again. Still not sure it did it right.

I thought I would be cute and created a scene with Zwave light switch. It did not work right so I deleted it. Now when motion got detected ISY is sending "ON" commend to switch in infinite loop.

ISY ver 5.0.2

Zwave ver 4.55

Posted

Sometimes the admin console shows connected, but kinda isn't...I'm on 5.0.2 also and I have gotten into the habit of shutting it down and starting again each time I do something because of this.

I had a similar issue with a program that was cleared up by doing this.

Posted

Hi Michel. When I first added FGMS-001 light on it indicated movement but ISY did not see it.

I also deleted a program I had set up to turn a light on movement so that got rid of ISY turning light on in a loop.

Right now it looks like it is working fine except battery level and shock sensor do not report. here is the info on the sensor:

[ZW-SHOW         ] ----------------------------------------------

[ZW-SHOW         ] ZW046_1 uid=46 type=4.7.1 mid=271 tid=2049 pid=8193 model=0
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x5E  V0  ZWAVEPLUS_INFO
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x20  V0  BASIC
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x86  V0  VERSION
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x72  V2  MANUFACTURER_SPECIFIC
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x5A  V0  DEVICE_RESET_LOCALLY
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x59  V0  ASSOCIATION_GRP_INFO
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x85  V2  ASSOCIATION
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x73  V0  POWERLEVEL
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x84  V2  WAKE_UP
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x80  V0  BATTERY
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x71  V5  NOTIFICATION
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x56  V0  CRC_16_ENCAP
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x70  V1  CONFIGURATION
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x31  V8  SENSOR_MULTILEVEL
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x8E  V2  MULTI_INSTANCE_ASSOCIATION
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x22  V0  APPLICATION_STATUS
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x30  V0  SENSOR_BINARY
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x9C  V0  SENSOR_ALARM
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x98  V0  SECURITY
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -  x7A  V3  FIRMWARE_UPDATE_MD
[ZW-SHOW         ]   sensorType=  1  scaleMask=  1  defScale=0
[ZW-SHOW         ]   sensorType=  3  scaleMask=  2  defScale=1
[ZW-SHOW         ]   sensorType= 25  scaleMask=  1  defScale=0
[ZW-SHOW         ]   sensorType= 52  scaleMask=  1  defScale=0
[ZW-SHOW         ]   sensorType= 53  scaleMask=  1  defScale=0
[ZW-SHOW         ]   sensorType= 54  scaleMask=  1  defScale=0
[ZW-SHOW         ] 
[ZW-SHOW         ] Node  46 - ZW 046 Notify Sensor has the following neighbors
[ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node   1 - [This ISY]
[ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node   2 - ZW 002 Thermostat
[ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node   3 - Sofit Front ZW 003
[ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node   4 - ZW 004_In Rec LR_S_Wall
[ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node   9 - Outside Rec Driveway_ZW009
[ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  11 - Outside Rec Deck_ZW011
[ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  13 - Outside Rec Front_ZW013
[ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  14 - Soffit Deck ZW 014
[ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  15 - Soffit Driveway ZW 015
[ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  27 - Soffit Backlanding ZW 027
[ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  29 - ZW 029 On-Off Power Switch
[ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  31 - ZW 031 Printer
[ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  33 - ZW 033 Basement Coach Lamp
[ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  34 - ZW 034 Porch Lamp
[ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  36 - ZW 036 Basement Desk Lamp
[ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  37 - Appliance Module ZW 037
[ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  42 - ZW 042 Porch Light
[ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  43 - Porch Tree ZW 043
[ZW-SHOW         ] 
[ZW-SHOW         ] Node  46 - ZW 046 Notify Sensor cannot retrieve association groups
[ZW-SHOW         ] 
[ZW-SHOW         ] ----------------------------------------------
 
danbutter- it wasn't admin console giving me the grief, the lights on the ISY indicated that it was trying to communicate.
Posted

Hi tibbar,

 

I am no longer certain what's working and what's not. Is it still the case that the deleted scene is continuing to work?

 

Hi danbutter,

 

Do you also have deleted scenes that work on their own?

 

With kind regards,

Michel

Posted

.

Right now it looks like it is working fine except battery level and shock sensor do not report.

 

 That was yesterday.

Posted

Well today ISY does not receive motion notice from sensor. 

Sensors light goes on when there is motion.

I give up.

I'm sorry but it seams that ISY works really well with Insteon but Zwave thats another story.

Posted

Hi danbutter,Do you also have deleted scenes that work on their own?With kind regards,Michel

I'm not having issues with this now.

What seems to have happened in my case was I had tried to delete a program or scene and I used a computer that had already been running the admin console from a day or so before to do it.

Then when nothing happened after it looked like it was deleted I shut down the console and logged in again and it was still there.

I deleted again and it took that time.

So now I make sure that I log out and back in each time I want to change anything.

This is 5.0.2. I just wanted to use node servers so I haven't tried any of the alphas yet.

Posted

I give up.

My experience with zwave is a little more positive than yours.  If I may be so bold, I don't think you are doing yourself any favors here.  Perhaps you missed it, but there was a question posed to you:

 

"Can you please unplug ISY and see whether or not the light still responds to motion?"

 

Did you ever respond to this question?  My sense is that there are folks here who are taking the time from their lives to try to help, but when the communication is one-way, often both sides are disappointed, with the side having issues failing to solve the problem and the helping side tending to lose interest.  If you still want assistance, my suggestion is to re-review the thread and respond to those questions posed.  Alternatively, you may find UDI request for technical support to be a good option.  Short of that, I suspect you will continue to experience frustration.

Posted

Did i unplugged ISY?-- YES. It was the only way stop infinite loop isy was trying to turn the switch on.

Is the light respond to motion-- not very clear question.-- The sensor sees the motion, indicates it with the light but isy does not see it ( does not receive notification).

Excuse me for not answering clearly it may be because English is my second language.

Posted
Excuse me for not answering clearly it may be because English is my second language.

 

No apology needed.  Your english is FAR better than my second language.

 

Is the light respond to motion-- not very clear question.

 

I believe the intent of this question was to suggest unplugging the ISY and LEAVING IT UNPLUGGED to see if the light would still respond (turn on) when motion was sensed (while the ISY was unpowered).  I assume that this is to eliminate the possibility that your motion sensor has become a secondary controller of the light.  Trying experiments such as these can help isolate the root cause of the problem.  If the problem persists with the ISY unplugged, this tends to suggest that the problem may be unrelated to the ISY programs or scenes.  If the problem goes away with the ISY unplugged, this tends to confirm that the problem is associated with some aspect of the ISY.

 

I must admit that I am selfishly interested to the answer to this question.

 

The sensor sees the motion, indicates it with the light but isy does not see it ( does not receive notification).

This statement suggests to me that you did not leave the ISY unplugged during your test.

Posted

This statement suggests to me that you did not leave the ISY unplugged during your test.

No i did not. I didn't understand that was being asked for me to do. I'm at work right now, I'll try it when I get home and report back.

Thanks.

Posted

Ok, I'm not sure if that is what you guys are asking but here it is:

1. ISY unplugged from power - sensor flashes blue to indicate motion and colours to indicate tamper alarm if i try to move it.

2. Isy plugged back in and it looks like it is not communicating with sensor.

3. Moved sensor 6 inches away from ISY- no difference ISY is not report anything from sensor.

 

What about problem indicated in this topic:

http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/19561-fibaro-z-wave-motion-sensor-fgms-001/?do=findComment&comment=184851

Thanks.

Posted

Hi danbutter,

 

Thanks for the clarifications. Are you certain that you hit the Save button when you deleted the programs.

 

Hi tibbar,

 

The original post was about deleting a scene WHILE the devices still responded to the same scene. So, the question was whether or not the devices still responded to the scene when ISY was not in the picture. So, I guess that has already been solved.

 

The next issue is that the sensor randomly sends events to ISY, correct? If so, the best way to address this is to check the neighbors and make sure that the neighbors are all powered (non-battery operated). I think what's happening is that some of the neighbors go to sleep and then you stop getting events. You might want to do heal network and make sure the path from the sensor to ISY is through powered devices (this should be automatic but it's always good to verify). So, from the post above, which one of the devices has a path to ISY?

 

With kind regards,

Michel

Posted

     Hi.

     I guess I'm not giving you right info.

         1.Scene deleted

         2.Program deleted

         3.Nothing running in loop

         4. Network detail for sensor:

Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ] ----------------------------------------------
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ] Node  46 - ZW 046 Notify Sensor has the following neighbors
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node   1 - [This ISY]
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node   2 - ZW 002 Thermostat
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node   3 - Sofit Front ZW 003
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node   4 - ZW 004_In Rec LR_S_Wall
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node   9 - Outside Rec Driveway_ZW009
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  11 - Outside Rec Deck_ZW011
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  13 - Outside Rec Front_ZW013
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  14 - Soffit Deck ZW 014
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  15 - Soffit Driveway ZW 015
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  27 - Soffit Backlanding ZW 027
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  29 - ZW 029 On-Off Power Switch
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  31 - ZW 031 Printer
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  33 - ZW 033 Basement Coach Lamp
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  34 - ZW 034 Porch Lamp
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  36 - ZW 036 Basement Desk Lamp
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  37 - Appliance Module ZW 037
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  42 - ZW 042 Porch Light
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  43 - Porch Tree ZW 043
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ] 
Fri 02/03/2017 02:19:38 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ] ----------------------------------------------
          5. Network detail for Thermostat:
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:34 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ] ----------------------------------------------
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ] Node   2 - ZW 002 Thermostat has the following neighbors
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node   1 - [This ISY]
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node   3 - Sofit Front ZW 003
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node   4 - ZW 004_In Rec LR_S_Wall
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node   5 - ZW Kitchen Door Lock_old
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node   6 - ZW Front Door Lock
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node   7 - ZW 007_Outdoor Plug_Zapper
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node   8 - Outside Rec Porch_ZW008
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node   9 - Outside Rec Driveway_ZW009
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node  10 - ZW Back Door Lock
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  11 - Outside Rec Deck_ZW011
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  12 - ZW 012_In Rec Porch
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  13 - Outside Rec Front_ZW013
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  14 - Soffit Deck ZW 014
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  15 - Soffit Driveway ZW 015
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  17 - ZW 017 Porch Heater
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node  19 - ZW 019 Multilevel Sensor
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  27 - Soffit Backlanding ZW 027
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  29 - ZW 029 On-Off Power Switch
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node  30 - ZW Patio Door Lock
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  31 - ZW 031 Printer
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  33 - ZW 033 Basement Coach Lamp
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  34 - ZW 034 Porch Lamp
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  36 - ZW 036 Basement Desk Lamp
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  37 - Appliance Module ZW 037
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node  40 - ZW Kitchen Door
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  42 - ZW 042 Porch Light
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  43 - Porch Tree ZW 043
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node  45
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node  46 - ZW 046 Notify Sensor
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ] 
Fri 02/03/2017 02:21:35 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ] ----------------------------------------------
          6. Networ detail for Sofit Front ZW 003:
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ] ----------------------------------------------
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ] Node   3 - Sofit Front ZW 003 has the following neighbors
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node   1 - [This ISY]
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node   2 - ZW 002 Thermostat
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node   4 - ZW 004_In Rec LR_S_Wall
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node   5 - ZW Kitchen Door Lock_old
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node   6 - ZW Front Door Lock
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node   7 - ZW 007_Outdoor Plug_Zapper
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node   9 - Outside Rec Driveway_ZW009
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node  10 - ZW Back Door Lock
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  11 - Outside Rec Deck_ZW011
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  12 - ZW 012_In Rec Porch
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  13 - Outside Rec Front_ZW013
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  14 - Soffit Deck ZW 014
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  17 - ZW 017 Porch Heater
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node  19 - ZW 019 Multilevel Sensor
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  28 - ZW 028_Driveway Tree Light
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  29 - ZW 029 On-Off Power Switch
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node  30 - ZW Patio Door Lock
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  31 - ZW 031 Printer
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  33 - ZW 033 Basement Coach Lamp
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  34 - ZW 034 Porch Lamp
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  36 - ZW 036 Basement Desk Lamp
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  37 - Appliance Module ZW 037
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node  40 - ZW Kitchen Door
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  42 - ZW 042 Porch Light
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    - Repeater - Node  43 - Porch Tree ZW 043
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node  45
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ]    -          - Node  46 - ZW 046 Notify Sensor
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ] 
Fri 02/03/2017 02:23:07 PM : [ZW-SHOW         ] ----------------------------------------------
        7. Non of sensors neighbours are battery operated.
        8.ISY does not receives any notices from sensor any more.
Do you need network detail on any other Zwave devices I have?
Thanks
Posted

1.Installed ver.5.0.8.

2.Excluded sensor from ISY.

3.Factory Reseted the sensor.

4.Included back with ISY.

Everything seams to work OK now.

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