ISY not changing KPL button status

[jeremyg998]

I've found various threads and answers to this on the forums but still cant seem to get it work on my KPL.

 

I have a 6 button KPL with 4 scenes (All Lights, Away, Kitchen Dining and Night).

 

I have the KPL set up and working perfectly. Turns on/off required scenes and turns off KPL light buttons for other scenes as required.

 

I can also operate the scenes via my ISY admin console and Mobilinc HD app on my iPad.  Scenes work perfectly apart from the KPL buttons which do not reflect the scene status (light does mot come on or go off as scene is switched on and off).

 

From what I've read, the way to get the KPL switch / lights to work involves making another scene with the button as a responder then writing a program to trigger this scene once the first scene is initiated via the ISY or iPad - is this correct?

 

Assuming so, I have my first scene (Kitchen  Dining) with Button A as the controller and 10 other lights as responders.

 

I define another scene, Button A, and add Button A as a responder.

 

I write two programs,  Button A On, and Button A Off,

 

If

     Control 'Button A' is switched On (or Off)

 

Then

     Set Scene 'Button A' On (or Off)

 

This does not work and cannot see how else to do it.  Help / input appreciated.

 

 

 

[mwester]

If you've set up the scenes correctly, then the button that controls the scene is also a responder to that scene -- and thus when you turn the scene on or off (regardless of how you do so - program, console, button, another scene controller) the button will also reflect the state of the scene.  No program should be necessary to ensure that the KPL button lights reflect the state of the scene - none at all.

 

Pick the simplest of the scenes that doesn't work -- then describe exactly what you see when you click on that scene name in the console.

[lilyoyo1]

Check the actual scene in the ISY. Make sure that thekol button is set to turn on when the scene itself is controlled. Many people make the mistake of on setting the states on the controller only

[jeremyg998]

Thanks, I did wonder about that as when I click on the KPL buttons in the ISY admin console, they all come up as both controllers and responders of the scenes.   When I click on the Scene I get the list of devices and their setting - I'll try to attach screenshots.

[jeremyg998]

I've checked the scene in the ISY, The On Level for the controller (see attached image - Keypadlink 1 B - Kitchen) is set to 100.  I don't see where else I can turn the button on / or modify its behavior in the scene???  

 

To summarize, the KPL button is showing up as both controller and responder to the scene.  In the scene, the KPL button On Level is set to 100.  Sorry but still confused - what am I missing?

 

THANKS!

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi jeremyg998,

 

Unfortunately I don't quite understand what you are trying to do. If you have 4 buttons, then you must have 4 scenes within which each button is a controller (along with others). I do not see that happening in your description nor in the pictures.

 

Have you reviewed:

http://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=ISY-99i/ISY-26_INSTEON:How-To_Guide#Scenes

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[jeremyg998]

Hi Michael,  

 

Thanks for the response and sorry,  I was just showing one of the buttons but the set up is the same for the three others, each just controls a different scene.  

 

Basically, I have 4 buttons on the KPL.  They are all Toggle On Off   One controls All Lights (turns all house lights on or off), one controls Kitchen Dining (turns all kitchen and dining room lights on and off - this is the one shown in the image), one controls an Away scene (turns most lights off but leaves a few lights on if you are away) and one controls a night scene (turns most lights off but leaves a few lights dimmed at night).

 

The physical KPL works fine for all 4 scenes, I press the scene button it lights up.  I press it again, it turns off.  All lights work fine as defined by the scene.  I also have it set up so that turning on one scene on the KPL turns off the another scene light on the KPL if lit.

 

When I use the ISY admin console or my iPad (Mobilinc HD) the lights in the scene all work perfectly.   However, the KPL buttons do not light up to show the scene has been turned on.  They only do so when physically pressed.

 

In the ISY, I have each button set up as a controller and responder to the scene. Under the scene, I also have the On Level for the KPL button (the controller) set at 100%.

 

So, how do I get the KPL buttons to light up (and turn off once lit up) when the scene is turned on via the ISY or iPad (Mobilinc)?

 

Looked at the scene stuff in the link above but could no see anything to help

[lilyoyo1]

The scene setup looks proper. When you control the keypad only directly from the admin console, does the button light up then?

 

Personally, I would factory reset the kpl and then right click on it and choose restore device. If the button responds from direct control from the admin console, I would then choose write updates to devices and see what happens

[jeremyg998]

When I control the KPL directly by pressing buttons, each button lights up, but no the button does not light up when I control the KPL directly from the ISY admin console. 

 

Thanks, for your input, I think reset is probably what I'll have to do. I might try removing the controller from the scene first and adding it back in to see if that makes a difference.

 

J 

[jeremyg998]

Ah well that completely screwed things up.  Now no scenes work when pressing the KPL, one scene does not work via ISY, three scenes work via ISY and turn the lights on as I originally wanted! ISY scene setup seems fine.

 

Tried factory reset multiple times and same result.  I think I will have to delete the KPL from the ISY,  factory reset then add back into scene.  If that doesn't work, delete the KPL and scenes and start from scratch.  Either that or return KPL as faulty - it's brand new?

 

ARGHRRRRHHGHHHHH.

[lilyoyo1]

I doubt its a faulty kpl since its working outside of the isy. After you factory reset it, make sure you do restore device on the kpl and then write updates to device.

[mwester]

Do a restore on the KPL, then in the diagnostics menu, fetch the links table from the KPL, and once that's done, do a compare -- if you have any comms issues, you may find that the ISY was unable to load the entire links database into the KPL.

 

(It takes me several hours of repeated restores to load my kitchen KPLs)

[jeremyg998]

Thanks, I tried that, factory reset, then restore device then write updates to device.  Got the same things going on.  Wonder if something at the ISY end corrupted / conflicted?  Anyway, I've deleted it from the ISY, have factory reset it an am going to add it back into the simplest scene to see if I can get it working that way, fingers crossed. 

[jeremyg998]

GOOD NEWS, first scene button works as intended by operating switch and the ISY with KPL light on and off.  There is one slight problem in that when I activate the scene from my ipad using Mobilinc HD the button status does not change (although scene lights do).  At least the ISY and KPL are working, guess I'll need to work out why the button lights are not being activated from my ipad - I would have thought it just activates the ISY scene........

 

SORTED, just re synced with Mobilinc HD and scene one working as intended. 

 

THANKS EVERYONE FOR RESPONDING, REALLY HELPED WITH TROUBLESHOOTING AND GETTING FIXED.