Advanced IoT Bridge Interface

[MustangChris04]

Any idea when this new PLM will be released? It appears to have increased speed and transmitting signal.

https://fccid.io/SBP22342/Users-Manual/User-Manual-4493784

[Bumbershoot]

Great find.  Maybe Smarthome has been up to something...  Probably explains the sales they've been having on PLMs.

Insteon Modem Features
• Expanded operation to 100-240VAC and 50/60Hz.
• Increased Insteon links storage from ~1000 to ~4,000 links with faster read/writes
• Uses the same communication protocol and structure to match earlier models
• Updated all processors with increased memory space and speed
• Beefed up electronics to reduce failures due to AC-mains electrical spikes, noise and heat from poorly ventilated install locations
• New and smaller enclosure that matches other Insteon plug-in products
• Increased powerline transmitting signaling levels and robustness
• New RF circuit with higher sensitivity components and calibrated antenna circuit
• Supplies 5VDC capable of powering single-board computers like ISYTM controllers
• Added fast TVS surge suppression on the Serial port to prevent static damage

The items on this list appear to answer many of the complaints people have had about the PLM.  TIme will tell.  This might breath life into Insteon, at least for ISY users.

User-Manual-4493784.pdf Internal-Photos-4493793.pdf

External-Photos-4493791.pdf

[Bumbershoot]

3 hours ago, Bumbershoot said:

• Supplies 5VDC capable of powering single-board computers like ISYTM controllers

Does this mean that this new PLM can power the ISY?

[lilyoyo1]

17 hours ago, Bumbershoot said:

Does this mean that this new PLM can power the ISY?

It can though I'll probably still power mine separately

[Bumbershoot]

54 minutes ago, lilyoyo1 said:

It can though I'll probably still power mine separately

Thanks, I suspect I will as well.  I was a bit concerned about Smarthome's ultimate intentions regarding Insteon, but this looks like the PLM upgrade that I've been waiting for (if it actually makes it to market).

[lilyoyo1]

I've never had plm problems but I am looking forward to the speed increase and smaller footprint

[Bumbershoot]

With 4000 links available, I'll make better use of scenes.  I use programs now where I could use scenes, just to keep the number of links down.  Better speed won't hurt, either.

[ISYhbsh01]

Wow, so finally my brother in Europe, who has been jealous of me all along, will be able to use an ISY.

[Bumbershoot]

55 minutes ago, hbsh01 said:

Wow, so finally my brother in Europe, who has been jealous of me all along, will be able to use an ISY.

I guess all that's required now is a plug adapter?  Are the RF frequencies legal overseas?

• Expanded operation to 100-240VAC and 50/60Hz.

 

[lilyoyo1]

1 hour ago, Bumbershoot said:

With 4000 links available, I'll make better use of scenes.  I use programs now where I could use scenes, just to keep the number of links down.  Better speed won't hurt, either.

I use mostly scenes vs programs. Outside of stuff that is directly linked to be controlled, most devices are simply responders. Depending on what I'm doing,  scenes are controlled by multiple programs. 

[Brian H]

Looks nice. Thank you for the link.

I see in the manual on the FCC site. It can power an external controller like the ISY994i. Indicates it is 5 volt at 1 Amp.

[sdynak]

Any thoughts to what kind of increased speeds/response we could see from this? One thing that has always been slow for me are motion sensors that use programs to control lights (due to time of day) and sometimes it lags so much that by the time the light comes on you no longer need it LOL. I'm hoping something like this would or could improve that.

[mwester]

4 minutes ago, sdynak said:

Any thoughts to what kind of increased speeds/response we could see from this? One thing that has always been slow for me are motion sensors that use programs to control lights (due to time of day) and sometimes it lags so much that by the time the light comes on you no longer need it LOL. I'm hoping something like this would or could improve that.

I suspect it won't help -- the delays are generally communication-limited, not processor-limited, in general.  And the speed of the serial port on the new PLM is no faster than the old one...  (and of course the over-the-power-line signal can't change, or it wouldn't be compatible).

[sdynak]

2 minutes ago, mwester said:

I suspect it won't help -- the delays are generally communication-limited, not processor-limited, in general.  And the speed of the serial port on the new PLM is no faster than the old one...  (and of course the over-the-power-line signal can't change, or it wouldn't be compatible).

 Ugg.. thanks for the insight. Had a moment of optimism this morning.. LOL

[Bumbershoot]

10 minutes ago, sdynak said:

Any thoughts to what kind of increased speeds/response we could see from this? One thing that has always been slow for me are motion sensors that use programs to control lights (due to time of day) and sometimes it lags so much that by the time the light comes on you no longer need it LOL. I'm hoping something like this would or could improve that.

I doubt that you'll see a describable difference.  You might look into using a different technique to get better performance out of your motion sensor/lights.  Maybe you could put the motion sensor into "On Only" mode, put it into a scene with the lights you intend to control and use a program to periodically run the "adjust scene" functionality to change the on level of your lights.

EDIT: you'll have to use a program to turn the lights off, of course, but in my experience the light responds almost instantaneously once motion is detected.

[sdynak]

2 minutes ago, Bumbershoot said:

I doubt that you'll see a describable difference.  You might look into using a different technique to get better performance out of your motion sensor/lights.  Maybe you could put the motion sensor into "On Only" mode, put it into a scene with the lights you intend to control and use a program to periodically run the "adjust scene" functionality to change the on level of your lights.

Ok.. thanks. Maybe I'll look into that. Not 100% sure of the options so I'll create a new thread if I'm struggling. 

 

[lilyoyo1]

Most likely your having other communication happening at the time your programs are running if you are experiencing severe delays. I use programs exclusively with my sensors without any major delays. Its not as fast as a direct link but nothing where anyone would complain. I would check to see whats running when you are having issues to see if its something that can be fixed.

[Broyd]

It probably no longer supports X-10.

[lilyoyo1]

3 hours ago, Broyd said:

It probably no longer supports X-10.

That wouldn't be such a bad thing. X10 users yes but it would help insteon long term

[sdynak]

8 hours ago, lilyoyo1 said:

Most likely your having other communication happening at the time your programs are running if you are experiencing severe delays. I use programs exclusively with my sensors without any major delays. Its not as fast as a direct link but nothing where anyone would complain. I would check to see whats running when you are having issues to see if its something that can be fixed.

 I use it for my stairs between my 1st & 2nd floor but have the program stop at night to prevent the lights coming on and waking people up as nightlights light up the area enough. Sometimes it responds quickly and sometimes you can almost get to the next level up or down before it even reacts. I can't imagine what is running and only with the MS here does it seems to lag. Maybe something with my powerline communications but when linked direct they respond great. I just can't turn them off in the middle of the night. 

Is event viewer the best way to monitor this?

Thanks.. I don't mean to hijack the thread. 

[lilyoyo1]

Yes. Set it to level 3. You might be surprised what you find out.

[Bumbershoot]

39 minutes ago, sdynak said:

I just can't turn them off in the middle of the night. 

If they're in a scene, you could always use "Adjust Scene" in a program to turn the light to "Off" at night and back on in the morning.  Something like this:

New Program - [ID 0091][Parent 00A7]

If
        From    Sunset 
        To      Sunrise (next day)
 
Then
        In 'Devices / Master Closet Motion Sensor.1' Set 'Devices / sloMasterBathClosetLights' To Off, No retries
 
Else
        In 'Devices / Master Closet Motion Sensor.1' Set 'Devices / sloMasterBathClosetLights' To On, No retries

I think a "Fast On" at the paddle will still turn the light on, if necessary.

[sdynak]

33 minutes ago, lilyoyo1 said:

Yes. Set it to level 3. You might be surprised what you find out.

Thanks.. got it!

[sdynak]

21 minutes ago, Bumbershoot said:

If they're in a scene, you could always use "Adjust Scene" in a program to turn the light to "Off" at night and back on in the morning.  Something like this:

New Program - [ID 0091][Parent 00A7]

If
        From    Sunset 
        To      Sunrise (next day)
 
Then
        In 'Devices / Master Closet Motion Sensor.1' Set 'Devices / sloMasterBathClosetLights' To Off, No retries
 
Else
        In 'Devices / Master Closet Motion Sensor.1' Set 'Devices / sloMasterBathClosetLights' To On, No retries

I think a "Fast On" at the paddle will still turn the light on, if necessary.

Nice.. even though I have been using ISY for years I never tried to control scenes this way.. You have just created a animal here  ..  This just changed my life.. Thank you!

[sdynak]

Well for some reason I don't get the same options to Turn off a MS and No retries.. only thing I get is "Write Device Updates" which none were pending.

I tried to "adjust" the scene as well and set the time for it to 0% on level and that had no effect. Meaning, after adding the MS to the scene I could not control the scene from coming on based on time I wanted to prevent that. 

I also tried to "Set device" (scene) to Off all at the times I don't want the scene to work and it still triggers. I assume the ISY can't control the direct links when a scene is created between switches and a MS? 

Sorry again if I'm hijacking this thread.