dbwarner5 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 While trouble shooting a AllOn possible event per @Michel Kohanim post below, I found an odd X10 device A2 cycling randomly at all times of the day. The strange part about this is that while I had this x10 device in the past, it is no longer in use, nor in My Lighting or found in any of my programs via the Find/Replace command. I did find one old X10 Motion sensor in my parts bin that had a set of batteries in it. While its not in my tree, could it still have been sending all on commands or cycling because of hte low battery status? Any thoughts anyone? Log from AC: MyLighting sorted by Address. Only three x10 devices and none at A2: MyLighting sorted by Type, same.
Techman Posted January 24 Posted January 24 It's possible that one of your device's link tables contains a link to the since removed X10 device. Best way to check is to perform a link table diagnostics / compare on each of your existing devices. If there's a mismatch in a device link table you just have to do a restore device to clean it up. 1
dbwarner5 Posted January 25 Author Posted January 25 @Techman how would I do that? I have > 250 Insteon devices and > 500 nodes. thanks
paulbates Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Insteon devices haven't supported X10 for a number of years. See this comment from Insteon from 2016 as a point in time reference. Start with the oldest devices by model number and FW version to see what you can find.
dbwarner5 Posted January 25 Author Posted January 25 How? By looking at the device in the AC and seeing what it’s a controller / responder to on the right side? Or is there a diagnostic tool that will issue a report? thanks
IndyMike Posted January 25 Posted January 25 20 hours ago, dbwarner5 said: I did find one old X10 Motion sensor in my parts bin that had a set of batteries in it. While its not in my tree, could it still have been sending all on commands or cycling because of hte low battery status? If you still have a X10 Transceiver active in your system it could be the Motion sensor. If you don't have a transceiver it can't be the motion sensor - no way to transceive the RF onto the powerline. Try manually activating the sensor (MS11?) to see if it transmits an address. The fact that the transmission repeats multiple times makes me think it is the Motion sensor. Unfortunately, if it's not the motion sensor, it may be difficult to find. While Insteon devices can be programmed with X10 addresses, it does not show up in the link table area. It's in a separate section of memory where the device on level, ramp rate, etc. are stored. The was a way to view that region of the device memory, but the option seems to have been removed (or I forgot how). If it is a Insteon device with an programmed X10 address, the device will send the X10 code each time it is activated. You'll need to walk around activating/deactivating devices while watching the event viewer for X10 addresses. If you find a device with an X10 address, you will need to factory reset the device to remove the address. Simply "restoring" the device WILL NOT WORK. A restore re-writes the link table. On levels, ramp rates, and x10 Addresses are not affected. Back in the day, there were numerous cases where new in box devices would have x10 addresses programed from the factory. It was advised that all devices be factory reset as step 1 during installation. Keep us posted. 1
Solution dbwarner5 Posted January 25 Author Solution Posted January 25 Thanks everyone for the input. -No idea how to compare links tables per suggestions above. - Most of my devices are pre-December 2016 as house was built in 2015 with most all new insteon devices at the time, so isolating a few isnt really an option. -The x10 signals were happening all night long when there was little to no other activity. -Yes I still have a transceiver running to connect to several older chimes and one plug unit HOWEVER... in checking the logs, since I removed the batteries from one the one device I found that still had them in, there have been no more x10 A2 signals across my ISY log. So that solved that issue. Still looking for the possible All/on signal that may be tripping mostly my micro dimmer, but occasionally one or two ceiling fans as well. Thanks again.
Techman Posted January 25 Posted January 25 To compare link tables, right click on a device, click on Diagnostics | Show device links table. After the link table populates, click on Compare. If there any any mismatched links they willl show up after the compare runs. If you have mismatched links then do a restore device which will overwrite the device links with the links stored in your controller It's not unusual for link tables in a device to get corrupted, possibly due to noise on the powerline. Here's an article to troubleshoot random on events. Note: these events will not show up in the log. https://wiki.universal-devices.com/INSTEON_Random_All_On_Events 1
dbwarner5 Posted January 25 Author Posted January 25 So here is the link table of th micro dimmer that comes on by itself frequently. The compare DID show a problem. I have restored it and redid the links compare. All good now. I will do the same with the devices that are all shown in the links table as well. Thanks.
Techman Posted January 25 Posted January 25 The EA link entry can be ignored, it's not indicative of an error. Take a look at this thread Device Links Table Corrupteds - INSTEON Communications Issues - Universal Devices Forum (universal-devices.com) 1
IndyMike Posted January 25 Posted January 25 So, that's not actually a link table mismatch. As stated by LeeG, this began occurring in I2CS devices when "smart Hops" were incorporated : https://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/15336-device-links-table-corrupteds/?do=findComment&comment=130684 This is NOT the source of your problem and will likely re-occur. 1
dbwarner5 Posted January 25 Author Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, Techman said: Is the micro dimmer in a scene with other devices? Yes, 7 scenes.
Techman Posted January 25 Posted January 25 In that case I would run link Diagnostics any any devices that are in a scene with the mico dimmer
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