Guy Lavoie

Do you mean successfuly adding directly, without by using a share pin? Which devices exactly? Just to be clear, up until now I've been able to add both wifi devices (Cync bulb and Cync smart plug) as well as the Thread bulb (Nanoleaf), but always by first adding them to Google Home, then generating a sharing PIN to add it to the eisy.

I have four Somfy shades working fine with the Somfy plugin. It's older RTS technology, and requires a URTS-II serial device and interface. For newer technology, I'd go with Zwave, since you could get a Zooz dongle to use with the eisy.

Well you do have the interface for Matter: it's the network cable. The dongle should eventually add direct communications to Thread devices. I don't think leaving it set to On would have any adverse effects, other than possibly consuming some processing time on your controller.

I had a bit of time this afternoon, and tested this. Not the most rigorous test conditions but enough to satisfy me that the Eero 6 Zigbee network appears to be doing a good job of forwarding both regular Zigbee and Thread commands. My test Polisys are in a basement office at one end of the house, and my work shop is at the other end, about 50 feet away and going through several walls, including a concrete wall with a door. I don't yet have any Zigbee devices in actual use, just a few Jasco modules still in boxes to experiment with. So the only Zigbee mesh network is my 3 piece Eero 6 router setup (well, 4 piece since I also have a 4th generation Echo, located in the office). I configured and tested the Jasco module in the office space, then moved it to the far wall of my shop, and closed the door. One of my Eero 6 satellite repeaters is on the ground floor, almost right above it. Module works fine in the work shop. I then repeated the same test with my one and only Thread device: the infamous Nanoleaf bulb. Works fine, though the bulb sometimes takes time to respond, living up to it's infamous reputation.

I just replicated your program on my eisy, and it worked fine. I suggest you edit the program, highlight each line and click on "update" as if you were modifying them, and then save the program. Sometimes some things don't migrate correctly like that.

The Zmatter board is absolutely needed if you want Zigbee devices. Otherwise for Zwave you have the option of getting a Zooz dongle, and for Matter you only need a border router somewhere in your setup. I still migrated from Zooz to Zmatter because I could, and wanted to start messing with Zigbee.

No, but a device like the Eero could be designed to repeat both types of traffic. That's what I'd like to determine.

If you get Thread devices, then you will have Zigbee... The Matter protocol uses IPv6 and runs over wifi/ethernet for many line powered devices. If it's a Thread device, then the IPv6 is sent over Zigbee. This also means that if the devices (shades in your case) are spread out throughout the home, you'll need to have Zigbee establish a mesh network. The border router simply bridges the wifi and Zigbee networks. This is still quite new to most of us, and I've been experimenting with Matter, as has been @oberkc . Just days ago I've also begun trying out Zigbee on it's own. For example, I have an Amazon Eero 6 router with two satellite repeaters. These also act as Zigbee repeaters for Thread. I'm looking to see if they will also repeat non-Thread Zigbee traffic, given that this is a separate "network" in terms of inclusion, etc. Lots to learn. Just be aware that Matter itself is still quite new, and even newer for the eisy. Just days ago an update was released which includes Matter improvements. I don't want you to go out and get the shades, and be surprised or disappointed if it doesn't work out of the box.

Have you tried rebooting your eisy (with power cycling)? If that doesn't do it, you should open a ticket.

If it's Matter over Thread, you'll need a border router. If the Aqara Hub is also a border router, it should do. You don't need the ZMatter dongle. You'll need to configure the device on the Aqara hub first, then share it to the eisy. There's also the question of whether the device itself will work with the eisy (Matter is still in alpha testing). If it's basically an on/off device, chances are good that it will work.

That's the most detailed explanation I've seen about Insteon communications during scene commands. Thanks for that.

Insteon scenes are one of it's biggest features. Turning off a bunch of lights is just one wonderful application for a scene. I have scenes like that which are only used for turning off devices (those scenes are never "turned on"). And you can have multiple controllers for the same scene, or use programs.

Probably just to keep it easy to restore your backup in case of unforseen problems.

Ok I'll do that, once I get back home later. Thanks for this! It will be better than the Emporia plugs, keeping it all local. 🙂

Ok, restarted admin console, no change. Ran update packages again and rebooted (I had upgraded to 6.0.5 a few hours ago), then reran interview. Still looks the same. Should I be seeing something new, like a consumption field?

I just did that (on the main device node). Interview runs, but nothing has changed on the screen.

I plugged in a LED bulb in a lamp (a Hue bulb in fact, was close by). The last line now shows: Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.instantaneousDemand = 71 (0x00000047) Then added a wireless phone base station: Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.instantaneousDemand = 85 (0x00000055) The other consumption fields remains the same.

Could that be because I don't currently have any load plugged in? I'll connect something, x-ray it again, and see if the results are different. I'll post them if that's the case. Thanks!

Ok, I get this on the main node: Zigbee Clusters for device 59391.1 []: (Input clusters accept commands/events/data from other devices) (Output clusters send commands/events/data to other devices) Cluster 0 0x00 BASIC Zigbee Cluster data for device 59391 endpoint 1 cluster 0 (0x0000) Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data = Empty Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data.inDirection = True Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data.outDirection = False Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data.sendUnsupported = False Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data.version = 1 (0x00000001) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data.interviewDone = True Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data.interviewCounter = 10 (0x0000000a) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data.isDeepInterviewNeeded = True Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data.commandsClient = Empty Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data.commandsServerReceived = Empty Binary DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data.commandsServerGenerated = byte[1] [00] Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data.profileId = 260 (0x00000104) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data.redirectTuyaCluster = False Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data.zclVersion = 3 (0x00000003) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data.applicationVersion = 18 (0x00000012) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data.stackVersion = 101 (0x00000065) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data.hwVersion = 2 (0x00000002) String DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data.manufacturerName = "Jasco Products" String DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data.modelIdentifier = "43095" Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.0.data.powerSource = 1 (0x00000001) Cluster 3 0x03 IDENTIFY Zigbee Cluster data for device 59391 endpoint 1 cluster 3 (0x0003) Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.3.data = Empty Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.3.data.inDirection = True Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.3.data.outDirection = False Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.3.data.sendUnsupported = False Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.3.data.version = 1 (0x00000001) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.3.data.interviewDone = True Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.3.data.interviewCounter = 10 (0x0000000a) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.3.data.isDeepInterviewNeeded = True Binary DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.3.data.commandsClient = byte[1] [00] Binary DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.3.data.commandsServerReceived = byte[2] [0001] Binary DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.3.data.commandsServerGenerated = byte[2] [0001] Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.3.data.profileId = 260 (0x00000104) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.3.data.redirectTuyaCluster = False Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.3.data.identifyTime = 56 (0x00000038) Cluster 6 0x06 ON_OFF_SWITCH Zigbee Cluster data for device 59391 endpoint 1 cluster 6 (0x0006) Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data = Empty Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data.inDirection = True Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data.outDirection = False Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data.sendUnsupported = False Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data.version = 1 (0x00000001) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data.interviewDone = True Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data.interviewCounter = 10 (0x0000000a) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data.isDeepInterviewNeeded = True Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data.commandsClient = Empty Binary DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data.commandsServerReceived = byte[3] [000102] Binary DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data.commandsServerGenerated = byte[6] [000102404142] Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data.profileId = 260 (0x00000104) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data.redirectTuyaCluster = False Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data.onOff = False Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data.onOff.directionSender = True Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data.onOff.minIntervalReporting = 2 (0x00000002) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data.onOff.maxIntervalReporting = 65280 (0x0000ff00) Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data.onOff.reportableChange = Empty Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data.onOff.timeout = 2 (0x00000002) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.6.data.onOff.directionReceiver = False Cluster 10 0x0a TIME Zigbee Cluster data for device 59391 endpoint 1 cluster 10 (0x000a) Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data = Empty Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.inDirection = False Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.outDirection = True Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.sendUnsupported = False Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.version = 1 (0x00000001) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.interviewDone = False Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.interviewCounter = 10 (0x0000000a) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.isDeepInterviewNeeded = False Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.commandsClient = Empty Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.commandsServerReceived = Empty Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.commandsServerGenerated = Empty Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.profileId = 260 (0x00000104) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.redirectTuyaCluster = False Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.time = 0 (0x00000000) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.timeStatus = 0 (0x00000000) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.timeZone = 0 (0x00000000) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.dstStart = 0 (0x00000000) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.dstEnd = 0 (0x00000000) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.dstShift = 0 (0x00000000) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.standardTime = 0 (0x00000000) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.localTime = 743615217 (0x2c52aaf1) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.lastSetTime = 0 (0x00000000) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.10.data.validUntilTime = 0 (0x00000000) Cluster 1794 0x702 cluster Zigbee Cluster data for device 59391 endpoint 1 cluster 1794 (0x0702) Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data = Empty Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.inDirection = True Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.outDirection = False Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.sendUnsupported = False Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.version = 1 (0x00000001) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.interviewDone = True Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.interviewCounter = 10 (0x0000000a) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.isDeepInterviewNeeded = True Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.commandsClient = Empty Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.commandsServerReceived = Empty Binary DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.commandsServerGenerated = byte[10] [00030708090A0B0C0D0E] Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.profileId = 260 (0x00000104) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.redirectTuyaCluster = False Binary DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.currentSummationDelivered = byte[6] [000000000000] Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.unitofMeasure = 0 (0x00000000) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.summationFormatting = 251 (0x000000fb) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.meteringDeviceType = 0 (0x00000000) Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.fastPoll = Empty Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.fastPoll.fastPollUpdatePeriod = Empty Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.fastPoll.duration = Empty Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.profile = Empty Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.profile.consumptionDelivered = Empty Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.profile.consumptionDelivered.endTime = Empty Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.profile.consumptionDelivered.status = Empty Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.profile.consumptionDelivered.profileInterval = Empty Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.profile.consumptionDelivered.intervals = Empty Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.profile.consumptionReceived = Empty Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.profile.consumptionReceived.endTime = Empty Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.profile.consumptionReceived.status = Empty Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.profile.consumptionReceived.profileInterval = Empty Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.profile.consumptionReceived.intervals = Empty Float DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.metric = 0.000000 Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.status = 0 (0x00000000) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.multiplier = 1 (0x00000001) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.divisor = 10000 (0x00002710) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.demandFormatting = 11 (0x0000000b) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.historicalConsumptionFormatting = 120 (0x00000078) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.1.clusters.1794.data.instantaneousDemand = 0 (0x00000000) And a smaller list on the secondary node: Zigbee Clusters for device 59391.2 []: (Input clusters accept commands/events/data from other devices) (Output clusters send commands/events/data to other devices) Cluster 0 0x00 BASIC Zigbee Cluster data for device 59391 endpoint 2 cluster 0 (0x0000) Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data = Empty Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data.inDirection = True Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data.outDirection = False Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data.sendUnsupported = False Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data.version = 1 (0x00000001) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data.interviewDone = True Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data.interviewCounter = 10 (0x0000000a) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data.isDeepInterviewNeeded = True Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data.commandsClient = Empty Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data.commandsServerReceived = Empty Binary DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data.commandsServerGenerated = byte[1] [00] Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data.profileId = 260 (0x00000104) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data.redirectTuyaCluster = False Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data.zclVersion = 3 (0x00000003) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data.applicationVersion = 18 (0x00000012) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data.stackVersion = 101 (0x00000065) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data.hwVersion = 2 (0x00000002) String DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data.manufacturerName = "Jasco Products" String DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data.modelIdentifier = "43095" Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.0.data.powerSource = 1 (0x00000001) Cluster 3 0x03 IDENTIFY Zigbee Cluster data for device 59391 endpoint 2 cluster 3 (0x0003) Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.3.data = Empty Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.3.data.inDirection = True Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.3.data.outDirection = True Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.3.data.sendUnsupported = False Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.3.data.version = 1 (0x00000001) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.3.data.interviewDone = True Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.3.data.interviewCounter = 10 (0x0000000a) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.3.data.isDeepInterviewNeeded = True Binary DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.3.data.commandsClient = byte[1] [00] Binary DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.3.data.commandsServerReceived = byte[2] [0001] Binary DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.3.data.commandsServerGenerated = byte[2] [0001] Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.3.data.profileId = 260 (0x00000104) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.3.data.redirectTuyaCluster = False Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.3.data.identifyTime = 54 (0x00000036) Cluster 6 0x06 ON_OFF_SWITCH Zigbee Cluster data for device 59391 endpoint 2 cluster 6 (0x0006) Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.6.data = Empty Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.6.data.inDirection = False Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.6.data.outDirection = True Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.6.data.sendUnsupported = False Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.6.data.version = 1 (0x00000001) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.6.data.interviewDone = False Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.6.data.interviewCounter = 10 (0x0000000a) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.6.data.isDeepInterviewNeeded = True Binary DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.6.data.commandsClient = byte[3] [000102] Binary DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.6.data.commandsServerReceived = byte[3] [000102] Empty DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.6.data.commandsServerGenerated = Empty Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.6.data.profileId = 260 (0x00000104) Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.6.data.redirectTuyaCluster = False Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.6.data.onOff = False Boolean DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.6.data.globalSceneControl = True Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.6.data.onTime = 0 (0x00000000) Integer DATA devices.59391.endpoints.2.clusters.6.data.offWaitTime = 0 (0x00000000)

A relay coil draws mere milliamps and will not overheat or deteriorate because it's on for long periods. I wouldn't worry about that.

@Michel Kohanim I found this, The model number is 43095. This item was promoted as part of an energy saving program by Hydro Quebec, which has the possibility to turn down thermostats and reduce loads remotely, somewhat like the ADR you have elsewhere. JascoEnbrighten Zigbee Plug-In Smart Switch with Dual Controll...Plug into home automation with the Enbrighten Zigbee Dual-Outlet Plug-in Smart Switch. Enjoy extensive control of floor and table lamps, fans, and other fixtures when paired with a compatible gateway.I also find this, which seems a more helpful: https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/43095.html

I just upgraded my three test Polisys to 6.0.5 (yup I have three of them now, I'm a sucker for punishment!). All were at 6.0.4. Polisy 1 is running the Elk plugin in demo mode. Plugin came right up fine after reboot Polisy 2 is set up with the Zooz zwave dongle, with a test device (Jasco zwave plug in module). That came right back up and the device functional Polisy 3 is set up with the ZMatter dongle, with a Zigbee test device that I added earlier today(Jasco zigbee plugin module), The two node screens came up blank in admin console after the upgrade. I right clicked on the module and did Zigbee -> Synchronize -> Update with interview, and that brought back the module controls, and they worked fine. Polisys 2 and 3 are the ones I was using to test Zooz to ZMatter migrations earlier this week (and failed). The release notes didn't mention anything about zwave but it might be worth retrying following this upgrade. I'll wait a bit for more feedback from others before upgrading my eisy. My IoX finder is set up with the actual IP addresses for each controller. I had no need to do any java cache clearing or anything. It would be interesting to have a bit more information about some of the items mentioned in the release announcement: "Support for manual static ip config" is static IP configuration back? I'm not seeing it in the Configuration screen. "Improved Matter support" what exactly? Reliability? Better device interview results? Minimum previous version 5.9.1 What does someone do if they have a lower version? It's not like the isy994i where you can download older versions.

Interesting: Today I just tried the Zigbee functionality on my test Polisy and I added a Jasco Enbrighten on/off plug in module, which also lists power monitoring as a feature. IoX only shows it as an on/off device. Sounds like it might be based on the same chipset.

I guess you mean the value of a variable. For that, use REST commands, sent by a network command. Go down to "variables": ISY Developers:API:REST Interface - Universal Devices, Inc. Wiki https://share.google/QXVb7N3fCS9GVj5cc

I have two T7900's and one T5800 with the wifi dongle. I've never had the T5800 show up in the plugin. But they work fine with skyport. One of the T7900's has always been hard to get to connect to skyport. Works for a while, but if power cycled, won't reconnect. I've never had an over the air firmware upgrade work. Venstar sent me a SD card with the upgrade files on it, which I keep preciously for that purpose, since the card must not exceed a certain capacity that is now largely outdated.