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Does the trigger linc also provide a one time alert like its 2420 motions sensor brother when it is in a low battery state? Teken . . .

Jeff, That is simply outstanding to say the least! I went the other direction as you, and invested in five Venstar 1800 thermostats along with the humidity sensors. Right now I am just playing around with programs to see if my logic is sound and IF it will do as I expect in the near future. I currently have one in the basement, living room, master bedroom, and hall way. The intent for me is to reduce my energy costs to the bare minimum. All the while taking advantage of all the wasted heat in the ceiling areas. My goal is to locate all the remote TSTAT's high up in the ceiling to read the actual temperatures up there. If a threshold is met (depends on winter / summer) the ceiling fans will turn on (forward / reverse) to move the air up or down to best utilize all that wasted hot / cool ambient air. The bigger picture is to have the whole HA be self aware and to react to the immediate temperature, light, energy, status of each device. It will then place the home in several states to ensure minimal power, while balancing heat, electrical needs for the home and family. I am currently on phase two of the goal and hope to be at phase six in the next 5 years. Thank you for your follow up and feed back. Please do keep us all updated with the end results of the other remote sensors etc. Teken . . .

Michel, This would explain the hanging login in window sitting in the for ground of my Opera browser. It eventually went away but based on your explanation the ISY did not shut down gracefully. Much thanks as always Sir. Teken . . .

This afternoon I was doing some maintenance and added in the first of five Venstar thermostats. Everything seems really good and first impressions is that these new Insteon enabled TSTATS will come in very hand and help me complete my HA system. Now, after logging out for several hours I wanted to create a few programs to see how they worked. I never got that far as the Admin Counsel did not provide me any sort of status updates of the various devices. I figured no problem, so I selected query all. This pop up message came up?? Teken . . .

Sorry for late reply as I did not subscribe to this thread correctly. As far as I am aware you can not use those external sensors with the ISY. Meaning, the ISY will have no interaction with those external sensors. Having said this I would be curious to see what would happen to the TSTAT, while it was connected to the ISY. As far as I am aware nobody has ever gone this route to find out what type of results would come out of this set up. If you decide to pursue this avenue please do keep us all informed as to the outcome and how it interacts with the ISY platform. Teken . . .

Have you asked him? No I haven't yet, but does it really matter if he used Yellow instead of Red? In the big scheme of things it doesn't matter. So long as you *The Owner* is aware of what the color means and how it affects future reno's etc. Teken . . .

I would ask you to first upgrade the ISY's firmware to the latest official 3.XX. As this has resolved a lot of Insteon issues as well as added support for various devices, and features. Next, I would ask you to remove the Icon device, perform a hard factory reset. Then, add the the Icon device via the automatic discovery. Then, try the same changes via the ISY Admin Center. Teken . . .

Here is the trace from the Ceiling Light. This device is V.38 and did work before several firmware changes came along. Below is the diagnostic trace records as per your request. Teken . . . Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:05 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 11.DC.42 0F 1F 00 06 GOF (FLAGS) Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:06 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 11.DC.42 13.24.E1 2B 1F 00 GOF (FLAGS) Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:06 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][11.DC.42-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:06 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:06 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 11.DC.42 1F 2E 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 (00) Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:07 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 11.DC.42 13.24.E1 2B 2E 00 (00) Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:07 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][11.DC.42-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:08 PM : [iNST-ERX ] 02 51 11 DC 42 13 24 E1 11 2E 00 01 01 00 FF 20 00 1B 08 00 00 00 2C 03 00 Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:08 PM : [Extended-Direct][11.DC.42-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:08 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:17 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 11.DC.42 1F 2E 00 01 06 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 (00) Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:17 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 11.DC.42 13.24.E1 2B 2E 00 (00) Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:17 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][11.DC.42-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:17 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:23 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 11.DC.42 0F 1F 00 06 GOF (FLAGS) Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:24 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 11.DC.42 13.24.E1 2B 1F 00 GOF (FLAGS) Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:24 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][11.DC.42-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:24 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:24 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 11.DC.42 1F 2E 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 (00) Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:25 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 11.DC.42 13.24.E1 2B 2E 00 (00) Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:25 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][11.DC.42-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:26 PM : [iNST-ERX ] 02 51 11 DC 42 13 24 E1 11 2E 00 01 01 00 FF 20 00 1B 07 00 00 00 2D 05 00 Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:26 PM : [Extended-Direct][11.DC.42-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:26 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:30 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 11.DC.42 1F 2E 00 01 06 32 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 (00) Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:31 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 11.DC.42 13.24.E1 2B 2E 00 (00) Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:31 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][11.DC.42-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:31 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:35 PM : CLI-WBug: Connecting to datafeed.weatherbug.com Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:35 PM : CLI-WBug: Successfully Processed WBug Response Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:35 PM : [MOD 2 2 1 11] 20000.000000 Weather - Wind Speed = 2 km/h Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:38 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 11.DC.42 0F 1F 00 06 GOF (FLAGS) Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:38 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 11.DC.42 13.24.E1 2B 1F 00 GOF (FLAGS) Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:38 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][11.DC.42-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:38 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:39 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 11.DC.42 1F 2E 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 (00) Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:39 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 11.DC.42 13.24.E1 2B 2E 00 (00) Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:39 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][11.DC.42-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:39 PM : [iNST-ERX ] 02 51 11 DC 42 13 24 E1 11 2E 00 01 01 00 FF 20 00 1B 07 00 00 00 2D 05 00 Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:39 PM : [Extended-Direct][11.DC.42-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Thu 02/02/2012 03:01:39 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices

That would be correct. So is this OK or no? I'd really like to hammer out this issue before I decide on buying new switches. Don't want to buy anything until I know they are not going to get damaged. If I understand what LeeG is alluding to. He is asking whether or NOT the neutrals that are tied together are indeed on the same phase / leg. If they are no worries. If they are indeed tied into two different phase / legs of the electrical panel this may pose the problem you're seeing now. I find it hard to believe this problem just appeared after two years though?? Zick, you're the member from the GJ forum as well?? Teken . . .

Zick, What type of load is the switch in the mechanical room controlling?? Is it indeed a dimmable load?? Teken . . .

LeeG, I just read about this a few seconds before you replied. Thank you again for the clarification and insight as always. Teken . . .

oberkc, That was a most excellent write up! Follow question though, do you have any other check box's selected in the options window? Case in point do you have the *Relay follows input* enabled? Teken . . .

I could understand this point *IF* all things are were equal. But, in this case I can accept that the older i1 devices don't / won't be able to take advantage of the new software etc. But, one of them had always worked fine prior to any of these firmware upgrades. Now it doesn't work at all, and has a 0 value for the timer?? Then, there are the newer style v.38 devices . . . Only one of them seems to work in terms of the default timer of 15 minutes. Yet it can not be changed?? This device controls the stair lighting. The other v.38 device controls the ceiling lights which has the same v.38 and has the 255 minute default. Which previously had a 15 minute timer, now it can not be reset, or changed?? I am at a loss here and am looking for some assistance here . . . Teken . . .

For this reason, it is important that the KPL button be configured in "non-toggle on" (of course, the relay has to be configured to respond to "on" commands). This way, the only way for the KPL light to be off is from a sensor command. Being configured in this way gives one a high confidence that KPL off means garage door closed. I am one of those that LeeG mentioned as a fan of the wiki approach. oberkc, Would you mind documenting each of the steps to achieve this end goal. As I have tried this several times with out success, while others have done the same with positive results. I am trying to understand what steps were missed, or omitted while this task was done. This will also benefit the forum members in the future should they come across this same problem. Regards Teken . . .

So, where does this leave me then?? Teken . . .

The only problem as LeeG mentioned with using one KPL button to turn on / off the OH Garage Door. Is that the act of pressing the KPL button a second time to close the OH Garage Door will turn off the KPL LED before the door has actually closed. Using a remote control, or any hard wired OH Garage Door opener will in fact display the correct state of the door though. As aside: I am using a SmartLinc along with an ApplianceLinc to show me the door status independently of the ISY system. The reason for this is to ensure a level of access, confirmation, and feed-back. I work in a very high security environment and thus at times our fire wall blocks remote access to the ISY's true status of devices. Regards Teken . . .

This is the level 3 diagnostic traces from my daughters room. Each event is due to me de-selecting one of the check box's, then checking them. The first entry is my attempt to change the 0 value to something else. This is presented with a pop up error message from the ISY. So my questions remain: Are these devices broken / defective. Or is the new ISY firmware not playing nicely with these devices now? As I indicated previously everything was operating just fine before?? Teken . . . Sat 01/28/2012 07:30:42 PM : [5 F5 5D 1 ] Querying engine version Sat 01/28/2012 07:30:42 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 05.F5.5D 0F 0D 00 06 (00) Sat 01/28/2012 07:30:42 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.F5.5D 13.24.E1 2B 0D 00 (00) Sat 01/28/2012 07:30:42 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][05.F5.5D-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sat 01/28/2012 07:30:42 PM : [5 F5 5D 1 ] Retrieved engine version is i1 Sat 01/28/2012 07:30:42 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 05.F5.5D 0F 1F 00 06 GOF (FLAGS) Sat 01/28/2012 07:30:43 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.F5.5D 13.24.E1 2B 1F 00 GOF (FLAGS) Sat 01/28/2012 07:30:43 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][05.F5.5D-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sat 01/28/2012 07:30:43 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Sat 01/28/2012 07:30:43 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Sat 01/28/2012 07:30:51 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Sat 01/28/2012 07:30:58 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 05.F5.5D 0F 20 02 06 (02) Sat 01/28/2012 07:30:58 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.F5.5D 13.24.E1 2B 20 02 (02) Sat 01/28/2012 07:30:58 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][05.F5.5D-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sat 01/28/2012 07:30:58 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:08 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 05.F5.5D 0F 20 03 06 (03) Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:08 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.F5.5D 13.24.E1 2B 20 03 (03) Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:08 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][05.F5.5D-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:08 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:13 PM : CLI-WBug: Connecting to datafeed.weatherbug.com Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:13 PM : CLI-WBug: Successfully Processed WBug Response Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:14 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 05.F5.5D 0F 20 04 06 (04) Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:14 PM : [MOD 2 2 1 1] -130000.000000 Weather - Temperature = -13 °C Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:14 PM : [MOD 2 2 1 4] -180000.000000 Weather - Feels Like = -18 °C Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:14 PM : [MOD 2 2 1 5] -9000.000000 Weather - Temperature Rate = -0.9 °C/h Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:14 PM : [MOD 2 2 1 11] 80000.000000 Weather - Wind Speed = 8 km/h Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:14 PM : [MOD 2 2 1 12] 140000.000000 Weather - Wind Average Speed = 14 km/h Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:14 PM : [MOD 2 2 1 13] 10000.000000 Weather - Wind Direction = N Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:14 PM : [MOD 2 2 1 22] 9122.000000 Weather - Evapotranspiration = 0.9122 mm/day Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:14 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.F5.5D 13.24.E1 2B 20 04 (04) Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:14 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][05.F5.5D-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:14 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:19 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 05.F5.5D 0F 20 05 06 (05) Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:19 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.F5.5D 13.24.E1 2B 20 05 (05) Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:19 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][05.F5.5D-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:19 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:23 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 05.F5.5D 0F 20 06 06 (06) Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:23 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.F5.5D 13.24.E1 2B 20 06 (06) Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:23 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][05.F5.5D-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:23 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:25 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 05.F5.5D 0F 20 07 06 (07) Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:26 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.F5.5D 13.24.E1 2B 20 07 (07) Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:26 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][05.F5.5D-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:26 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:28 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 05.F5.5D 0F 20 08 06 (08) Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:28 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.F5.5D 13.24.E1 2B 20 08 (08) Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:28 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][05.F5.5D-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:28 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:30 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 05.F5.5D 0F 20 09 06 (09) Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:30 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.F5.5D 13.24.E1 2B 20 09 (09) Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:30 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][05.F5.5D-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:30 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:32 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 05.F5.5D 0F 20 0A 06 (0A) Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:32 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.F5.5D 13.24.E1 2B 20 0A (0A) Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:32 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][05.F5.5D-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:32 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:34 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 05.F5.5D 0F 20 0B 06 (0B) Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:34 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 05.F5.5D 13.24.E1 2B 20 0B (0B) Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:34 PM : [standard-Direct Ack][05.F5.5D-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Sat 01/28/2012 07:31:34 PM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices

Just some feed back across the pond. The light, light rate, do not operate here as well. I changed my stations to one of 15 options with no change what so ever. Regards Teken . . .

OK after some trial and error these are my observations. The timer value window does absolutely nothing for these four SwitchLinc Timers. It appears to request what the default timer value's are from the switch. I have one v.38 at the stairs and this device has a timer value of 15 minutes. Next, is a ceiling fixture v.38 which has this insane default of 255 minutes! Keep in mind this light fixture worked perfectly fine before with a default of 15 minutes etc. It has since changed and I can not restore this 15 minute value any longer! The next one is in my daughters room v.63 (This device used to work just fine, then out of no where the timer just stopped working!) The ISY shows a default timer value of 0? Last but not least is the hall way corridor light v.63. The ISY shows a default timer value of 0 as well. In all cases none of the timers can be changed via the ISY Admin Center. While the other settings do seem to perform some interactions, such as the blink when LED TX is enabled. I have no clue whether or not the other check box operate or not since I can't make them change the default timers. Insight . . . Teken . . .

I did not perform the 2nd set button press as described above. I will do so now but swear the e-doc said to press the set button and hold for 10 seconds. Two separate times . . . Teken . . .

Brian, Thank you so much for linking me to the factory reset procedures. I attempted to reset all three timers, but quite honestly I don't know if it worked?? The reason I say this is that the switch does not behave as one would expect during a reset. I will have to perform the reset one more time so I can document what LED flashes, and the order in which they occur so others may supply some feed back. Going off memory: Pressing the paddle up and holding for what seems like eternity. The top LED pulses, the bottom one appears to blink as well?? Pressing the set button for another 10 seconds, doesn't seem to do anything. No beep, no click, no nothing. Pressing the set button for another 10 seconds, again doesn't seem to do anything either. No beep, no click, no flash of the LED?? The only way I can tell something has occurred is the simple fact previous linked devices no longer turn this device on / off. This same switch also does not react to other linked devices via the ISY etc. I gather this device is reset at this point?? Removing and re-adding the device back into the ISY tree also did not resolve the odd timer values present in device. Help . . . Teken . . .

To clarify: You would like to be able to view the separate temperatures via the Energy Display? Teken . . .

Yes, there are indeed two different versions in the home. The odd thing is that the device with the ISY v.63 was made a lot earlier than the v.38?? How does one go from v.63 to v.38?? I have to gather this was during the i1 support only and this was the version being released at the time. I can't understand how the vendor sold me two different versions during the original sale? Regardless, none of these SwitchLinc Timers operate as expected anymore. They control the local load just fine, react to linked commands, and also operate fine via the ISY Admin Center. Yet, all of the sudden none of them work internally as a timer now?? Teken . . .

LeeG, I'm sorry but your quote doesn't make any sense to me?? Pulling out the plastic set button does absolutely nothing to any of these devices?? The LED remains lit and you do not hear the standard click at all. Teken . . .

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh . . . Well, if I need a replacement I guess they better have some back up inventory!! And . . . How on Gods green Earth do you kill the power on these stupid things??? All of these devices have the clear plastic set button. Yet pulling on any of them does NOT kill the power to the device?? WTF?? Teken . . .