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LOL - All of you off topic post!

Keep us all posted if you will - I decided to not back this project because of the comment(s).

Since we don't have pennies I've considered a nickle bag . . .

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh . . . Ya no wuts a covaaaaaaaaaaa?

LOL . . . So true, but I would prefer to being called highly motivated and eager to learn about hydroponics and how it will stretch that budget.

LOL, I actually have two Geiger counters at home . . .

Well, some random Face Book comment came to my girl friend. Which by the way I don't use or have Face Book, Twatter, etc. Anyways someone said if you take the stalk of a lettuce / bok chow. And place in water it will regrow . . . I didn't even think that was possible considering it was cut at the bottom and in transit for days, week, etc. But low and behold placing the cut end into water actually let the damn thing regrow?!?! So my plan is to see if doing so will supplement our grocery costs vs having more to eat at a discount.

Awesome & thanks.

You're correct and glad you realized I was totally joking. [emoji38] As a younger lad I abused my body with every kind of junk food. Today I consume almost no junk foods or those highly processed. This is what I've been up to this week. [emoji5]

Wow Larry, You're one cheap SOB - only $0.50 for a hair cut?!? [emoji848] You have to live a little and go to ultra Cuts! [emoji106] It's only $2.00 for old guy discount! [emoji847] I do have to take issue with your $5.00 for coffee & soda though. That could have avoided the bowl cut your sporting! [emoji855][emoji851]

But but but - you only live once! [emoji38] Is it not better to live life then to simply go through life? That is the question ? [emoji848] [emoji847][emoji23] ========================= The highest calling in life is to serve ones country faithfully - Teach others what can be. Do what is right and not what is popular.

Jay, That is great feedback so far but can you let us know if the dimming was smooth in a gradual manner? [emoji848] I know the rest is highly dependent on the LED being used / ballast. But if you could let us know make and model along with did you notice any flicker, hum, noise, etc. [emoji851] ========================= The highest calling in life is to serve ones country faithfully - Teach others what can be. Do what is right and not what is popular.

I tried to avoid Captain Crunch as I found it was very hard on the inside of the roof of my mouth. Might have to switch back to Pop Tarts.

Ah got it - does this mean some of us will have to go with out cocopuffs?

I don't quite follow what you're saying but gather you mean cost? As the two year subscription works out to be $0.067123 a day per the $45.00 USD. Which in the big picture is still an excellent value for any subscription portal service.

No, you will again pay another $45.XX USD for another 2 years.

Yes, its $45.XX USD for a two year subscription which includes the Network Module.

Jay M, I would appreciate it if and when you decide to move forward with this endeavor to reply back with your experience with the 2475DA2 0-10v ballast dimmer. I ask because there haven't been very many people or threads about its use and experiences.

I believe its fair to say anything produced in 2016 should be void of the ALL ON / ALL OFF command set. But since Smartlabs has never confirmed this in public our views are purely speculative. Keeping in mind this doesn't address slow moving items like the 240 VAC load controller. With respect to electricity going the speed of light as you noted resistance plays a major factor here. Voltage is highly dependent upon wire length, diameter, dielectric insulation, cable material, number of wires in a bundle, and the applied voltage(s). Since we do not live in a vacuum all of the above plays a factor in the end to end speed of what is received. Albeit, this variance isn't something anyone will notice in daily life . . .

1. The outlet is fine and more than likely does not include the command but you can test it by simply pressing the ALL ON / ALL OFF in the ISY to confirm. The PLM is a mixed bag and a level 3 log would need to be reviewed. 2. If the dual outlet relay still has the ALL ON / ALL OFF command class - If that condition should ever happen again it will turn on a outlet that was off. Since electricity is almost the speed of light both the I/O linc and outlet could be live at the same time. As stated, due to amount of time for the outlet to *boot up* this could very well negate that issue. But testing and validation is a must to ensure this is factually true. Hoping doesn't change what can happen not (IF). 4. Short Cycling: Is tripping the breaker quickly from on-off-on doing so will mimic in a small way what a loss of power will look like. Rapid succession of quick and brief trips of the breaker will also cause a surge in voltage to be seen on the line. Obviously great care must be used when short cycling is performed because it can damage end devices down the branch circuit. 5. The dual outlet relay has a firmware feature known as *Last Known State*. Meaning if the device was on during a power loss upon the return of said power it will resume its last known state. If it was off it will remain off also but should note short cycling can force the device to *Forget* said last known state. Anyone who has installed a micro dimmer / relay will know this fact to be true . . .

Having a two step method does indeed offer more protection as I use a similar technique. I would like to add the following for your consideration and thought. Your premise is based on several ideas and assumptions which again requires validation, testing, and follow up. Key things that come to mind in no specific order of importance are these: 1. What hardware / firmware 2413S PLM do you have? This is important to know because this would validate the ALL ON / ALL OFF command set is not present. 2. Like number one the 2663-222 must be confirmed to have removed the ALL ON / ALL OFF command set. As the process of removing the command was brought in mid stream of production. This is why testing and validation is paramount to ensure known variables are present. 3. ALL ON / ALL OFF: Assume both devices still include the ALL ON / ALL OFF command set. Just because both devices are powered off has no impact to the 2663-222 being activated from off to on. The possible benefit assuming the command still existed is that that slight delay of powering up may very well negate the ALL ON / ALL OFF from impacting the GDO. 4. Validation: Have you short cycled the power in duration and voltage? 5. Have you confirmed the 2663-222 always respects its *Last Known State*? This is important because (4) can impact the consistency of the last known state. 6. Have you considered applying some old school technology to accomplish the same? Specifically using relays, mechanical timer, industrial I/O closures? 7. Fail Over: Its important to note most if not all people ever consider extra measures of fail over. You have obviously taken some time to consider this but would encourage you to think about other methods separate and independent of the Insteon network. Doing so and applying 3rd party hardware will ensure that measure of *Fail Over* because these systems are independent and isolated from the primary systems which can not be impacted by related ALL ON / ALL OFF conditions. Your response to the above is appreciated . . .

May I ask if you can provide the Insteon part number along with the hardware production date and revision? Please also include the ISY firmware for that Insteon device. Lastly, could you offer some insight as to what you have done to validate this new method?

LMAO . . .

I should have expanded on my line of thought so here goes. In my personal experience if a device see's writes when you do just basic things like query. It either didn't add into the controller correctly hence the pending writes. There are comm issues which again is causing the two end device from talking and hence its trying to complete said task. Or as I stated its a hardware failing . . . That can happen due to age of the capacitors which is common to micro surges that happen everyday with in the home. Older KPL's were susceptible to voltage swings and surge events. Hence why the company updated all the products to have a wider voltage rating from 100-277 VAC. Doing just that ensures voltage sags will not impact the device as much and the components over all have been updated to sustain higher ambient temperatures with in.

This sound more like you have hardware that is failing. For reference I had great success repairing many of the older KPL's very much like the 2413S PLM. The bulk of the repairs have been replacement capacitors with low ESR and higher voltage ratings and temperature ratings. Unlike the 2413S PLM you do have to drill out the rivet but that takes about 5 seconds with a Dremel.