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Filled in the survey not sure what information it will provide?

Where and what is plugged in with the 2413S PLM on the same circuit?

Hello Simon, Its been awhile and if you referenced this thread all is well: http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/19732-new-home-build-existing-isyinsteon-devices/ Hope this message finds you well . . .

Before you throw in the towel please submit a service request to UDI: http://www.universal-devices.com/contact-support/ Please reference this forum thread technical support can determine its not something like the SD card just needs to be formatted. Please circle back with the forum members regardless of the outcome . . .

Yes, the UUID is also listed on a white sticker inside affixed to the main board. I call this out because normally a person would obtain the UUID by selecting Help->About in the Admin Console.

Before you spend any money please look in the WiKi to complete a hard reset. If that doesn't work at least you tried that solution. Also for clarity sake are you indicating there is absolutely no LED's lit up upon power up? The LED sequence will let us know what state its in. I would also try another power supply in case that blew simple check.

Another alternative is to mark each device as to their future (final placement ) that way once the hardware is installed there's nothing to do. This of course requires lots of thought and planning because if the switch is in the wrong spot you will need to reprogram it anyways. All of this is work in the front end or the back end. From personal experience I prefer to do all the front end prep so it's just wire and go! [emoji851][emoji12][emoji38] ========================= The highest calling in life is to serve ones country faithfully - Teach others what can be. Do what is right and not what is popular.

LOL, I was only at 893 thank you! Your example of the *I hear you talking* is a nice step and could be used in a multi prong solution that meets user specific needs. What I envision is the combination of the following in no specific order just for discussion purposes. 1. You ask Alexa the standard way using the wake up phrase(s). This would be the default setting so not to confuse the beginner. 2. Like the alarm clock you can have Alexa at pre scheduled (Calendar & Time) tell you what ever you need to know. The *Reminder List* it has now is the perfect example it simply doesn't automatically tell you anything unless invoked. 3. Advanced: This is where you will have the ability to define what, when, where, and how it speaks to you. My example was say the weather based on NOAA / S.A.M.E data. You walk in to the room and if you invoke the wake up word she will immediately tell you the current weather and any hazards etc. If you tie this to a motion sensor there is no need to say anything she will just automagically tell you the items of interests from a rolling lists you define. Say on the week ends you don't need to know the weather like any kind of schedule / calendar it could be filtered and defined. Of interest to me is the having the ability to interact with Alexa where she tells me what the current energy readings are in the home. Based on her feed back I can tell her to invoke and enable power saving measures etc. I already do this mostly automated but this is something via voice that I must be active in doing it. I never know what energy level the home is until I view it on one of many mounted tablets, terminals, smartphone, PC's. Knowing this is going to be a long journey I am still hopeful because Amazon has pushed the whole voice interaction to a whole new (basic) level. Which in time - perhaps it will become the cornerstone of daily life.

I truly believe unification and global market support for Alexa will usher in more *Practical* and useful interaction and services. The key sticking point is the fact the system can not invoke a automatic response to outside stimuli. We all know it can be done its simply not done because its clear to me some of the people at the top are the very same people who fancy sub par products and services. I believe when Google finally enters the market with their voice product (IF) they have any common sense and actually use the brain power of all the geniuses that they have under their roof. Something as simple as mail, schedules, appointments, reminders, etc. Will be the first stepping stone of voice wars . . . Meaning the first person that offers two way, reactive, and relevant data and interaction will be the clear winner. Right now there isn't a product that can read off your mail to you that comes in a Amazon Echo, Tap, Dot form. I can only imagine the day when Alexa will *Automagically* call out to me: *Teken, there is a fast approaching storm* based on NOAA - S.A.M.E weather reporting. *Teken, you have two appointments today at XX time, with XX person / location* *Teken, currently your energy consumption is below 5 KWH when compared to the same time yesterday* *Teken, while you were away the lowest temperature was 18'C & the highest was 21'C* Right now lots of this voice interaction is purely a novelty and fun factor which doesn't offer real benefits to the average person besides look at me. Having said this a few services like Call my buddy have truly offered something that is useful and relevant in the world of man. What I am looking for is lets get away from the pansy tell me my horoscope, who's man-bear-pig? You can order me a pizza, Uber, Taxi that's great and all. But, how about what I listed up above?!?! Lastly, I am unsure what the massive wait is for Amazon to start selling the hardware world wide?!?! I can't understand how the people who run this company that are literally sitting on a gold mine. Doesn't think its a good thing to start selling the hardware to people outside of the USA?!?! The revenue generated from just the sales of Echo, Dot, Tap would fund dozens of new projects and other hardware advancements for Alexa. This short sighted sales channel could even finance that lunatics space race!

If the 2413S PLM still holds the link record for the devices anything the ISY knows about can be turned on-off. Best practices are to hard reset all hardware following the full users manual for those specific devices. You would do the same for the ISY & 2413S PLM. Essentially you would be starting with a new slate. It should be noted you can export all of the programs from the ISY Series Controller by going to the root folder and right mouse click and select that option. Doing so before you factory reset the controller will at least give you something to follow and start with. Obviously you will need to change the programs to either have no conditions that point to a specific piece of hardware or remove that reference. A little bit of work in prep will save you tons of setup time later. Lastly, regardless of all the above make a good back up in case you need to revert back for what ever reason. Better to have and not need. Then to need and not have!! [emoji38][emoji4][emoji847][emoji31] ========================= The highest calling in life is to serve ones country faithfully - Teach others what can be. Do what is right and not what is popular.

Wago lever nuts are more expensive than standard *Marretes* but really do speed up standard wiring. They are CEC / NEC approved and come in various sizes and capacities. Besides more expensive some of the different Wago connectors are larger than standard screw on connectors so box fill may pose an issue in some junction box's. As an aside I also reside in the 51st State (Canada). [emoji4] ========================= The highest calling in life is to serve ones country faithfully - Teach others what can be. Do what is right and not what is popular.

Yeah some of us had to do the twist nut method a few dozen times before grabbing a brain it wasn't very efficient [emoji30][emoji31][emoji851][emoji12]

I use a hybrid method which is extremely quick, easy, and secure that is using Wago lever nuts.

I think that's really great news for those using Sonos speakers but have to wonder if they still intend to develop their own voice system? It seems they have changed directions and went the easy route instead. This in a round about way also reduces the need for creating network resources in the ISY Series Controller unless they wish the Insteon hardware to invoke the very same. Good news all the way around though . . .

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Locally you will be fine but the electrician will be freaking out wondering why other parts of the home are turning on-off. This assumes he knows nothing about Insteon HA. [emoji847][emoji4] ========================= The highest calling in life is to serve ones country faithfully - Teach others what can be. Do what is right and not what is popular.

LOL . . . [emoji4] Getting to 300 plus variables and programs didn't take very long with energy monitoring / management. Coupled with temperature & humidity tracking requires lots of vars to know what is happening so the controller can actively keep the home properly regulated and maintain energy targets. [emoji4][emoji847] ========================= The highest calling in life is to serve ones country faithfully - Teach others what can be. Do what is right and not what is popular.

Typically a ASV is installed before the water meter. This is done in a red neck way to monitor water flow. While others install it after the meter either do to need, code, or other. The overall intent of the ASV is to interrupt the water supply to reduce water damage / waste. If you have a specific use case it really comes down to personal need(s). [emoji4] ========================= The highest calling in life is to serve ones country faithfully - Teach others what can be. Do what is right and not what is popular.

That would assume you are talking about the main water line entering the home vs other? Can you provide more insight about your question posed here?

The choice between the two really comes down to personal choice and use case. I can offer you some personal experience and thought on the matter regarding the topic at hand. Generally speaking installing a inline unit requires more costs, planning and code compliance. A clamp on version is cheaper over all because there is no plumbing costs but you still need to follow any local codes and laws that apply to your location. When choosing a inline install you always need to ensure the system has the following in place and also follow applicable laws. INLINE INSTALL: - Device must be installed after (down stream) of the main water line if a fire sprinkler system is in place. - A plumbing bypass should be installed in case the unit fails which allows you to service the unit. - A drain port should be used to allow purging the line when in service / inspection. - Inline solves the issue where a person has a dial closure. CLAMP ON: - You must ensure and validate the handle can be open-closed. - Some units do not have enough torque to open-close the handle. - Some installations have PEX, Copper, Other: Too much torque or rusty handle could snap off or breach a pipe. - No plumber required and if all of the above is OK this is a easy DIY install. Regardless of all the above many if not all of the systems on the market do not offer critical insight about the true state of the ball valve. Meaning just because you sent a open-close signal it doesn't mean it happen. Some units are also just timed and don't have a *Home* position to again validate if the ball valve is fully open vs closed. Cycle life is also important to note here and some indicate XXX cycles vs others say XXXXX cycles. If you intend to link this to a security alarm system which upon arming will open-close the main water line. You will need to ensure your math is correct and will cover you for the intended use case and duration. As noted if you exceeded the cycle life and it fails for a inline unit you have some labor time ahead of you unless you're the plumber which would than negate that costs. Keeping in mind if you didn't install a bypass you just made the family hate you even more while you putz around with your new / old toy. Regardless of what many people have told you do not ever consider using *Shark Bite* fittings at the main service entrance. Failure to follow this common sense rule will result in the flooding you wanted to avoid in the first place. Of course if you needed to obtain a permit the inspector would not even allow it! Other things to keep in mind is ensuring the device is properly serviced by a UPS / surge SPD system. It doesn't matter what the maker claims about *millions of cycle life* that has nothing to do with electronics in the hardware. Unlike many other industries it always seems random companies don't follow best practices that other industries do. So, please keep that portion top of mind . . . Lastly, I touched upon checking the clamp on (handle) to ensure it was in good working order and the torque threshold was acceptable to the hardware in place. Assuming you don't have any other method to link directly to the motorized valve system its best practice to cycle the handle once a month to ensure smooth movement along with detecting a potential fault. EDIT: I forgot to mention some of the hardware on the market have a manual bypass incase of a a motor fault. You should really try them out to see if it will meet your needs. As some of the super tiny manual valves require endless turns and you just don't know if its open. Because all it does is spin the ball valve from open to close in a complete circle. Many have some kind of cheap aszz bubble line dial to indicate full open vs closed. Again the cheap one's are rarely if ever aligned to the zero mark indicating a open position. You won't know this until its in your hands and when you manually turn it and look straight down the valve body to see if the ball valve is open, partially, closed, or half open. Which leads me to the last portion tolerances . . . You will quickly find out that many of the units on the market after so many XXX cycles if you were to inspect the open-closed state of the valve will tend to drift. Meaning say after 6500 cycles it doesn't close the valve all the way and its always leaking. Versus the other way you believe its open but its partially closed and now you have nappy hair because there is no pressure while taking a shower. Lastly, if your home is not properly strapped through out the building get ready for some serious pipe banging!

If this is important to you - may I humbly suggest you lend your voice under the *Feature Request* forum. This feature has been requested for years and perhaps 5.XX may finally offer it. Ideally there should be multi login capability but having the ability to assign user rights & privileges is paramount. I envision the following in no specific order: Read Only: Can only view specific tabs the admin assigns. User: They can activate all Insteon devices but has no write privileges admin assigns. Admin: Full user rights to perform all actions in the console. Some have suggested a *Super Admin / Backup Admin* account for fail over in case of lock out etc. Regardless of the multi login and user rights I would like to see a separate log tracking access, logout, and areas of read / write. Any write changes need to be appended to a locked file which is password protected.

NTP: When the ISY Series Controller sends you the email for what ever time you have defined. It will indicate the system time along with the email time stamp. If there was a time drift at all or the NTP sync did not complete the email will show the variance in time. Mine is set to email me at 12:00 AM CST the worst drift I have seen is one second and that is easily explained by the fact I have 25 plus programs running at that time completing calculations and emailing the same to me for daily review. Time Check: The subject simply states: *ISY Time Check / Test* The body of the message is: ${sys.date}/${sys.time24} Uptime Counter: The subject states: WARNING: ISY Uptime Counter Reset The body of the message is: This message is being generated because the ISY has been rebooted. The following is the uptime hours the ISY has been operating since ${sys.time} reboot: ${var.1.330} Hours. Please let me know if you require more insight or feedback . . .

This program checks to ensure the ISY Series Controllers clock is still accurate and NTP was successful. Time Check - [iD 02A0][Parent 012A] If Time is 12:00:00AM Then Send Notification to 'GMX' content 'ISY - Clock Check' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') ============================================================ ============================================================ Create one *Integer* variable and copy this program. This program will tell you how long (up time) the ISY Series Controller has been running for. Upon reboot the ISY Series Controller will send you the total hours the device has been running for. You will of course need to create a custom email so you can see the value(s). Much credit for this outstanding program goes to my partner in crime the all mighty Xathros. ISY Uptime - [iD 0265][Parent 012A][Run At Startup] If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Send Notification to 'GMX' content 'ISY - Uptime Counter' Wait 1 minute $i.ISY_Uptime_Counter = 0 $i.ISY_Uptime_Counter Init To 0 Run Program 'ISY Uptime' (Else Path) Else Wait 1 hour $i.ISY_Uptime_Counter += 1 $i.ISY_Uptime_Counter Init To $i.ISY_Uptime_Counter Run Program 'ISY Uptime' (Else Path) This program will track the ISY Series Controllers operating uptime.It will increment every hour the controller is running. A e-mail will be sent upon the ISY being rebooted. This program is set to run at start up and this is how it knows the controller has been rebooted. The (init) value is set to (0) zero so it knows the system has been rebooted.

Quickly reviewed the link and based on the technical outlay - Just wow! Not sure why this open source irrigation system isn't more well known? Thanks for sharing . . .

I don't have one of these units but the few members that do have really liked them. One of the forum members has been an active developer for the ISY Series Controller. With his little add on it will make the Rain Machine extremely powerful: http://forum.universal-devices.com/forum/110-rainmachine/