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I guess the author forgot to include any of the Insteon HUB's as a possible option?!?!

For informational purposes only the ISY Series Controller can accept a supply voltage from 5-30 DC (center positive).

It should be noted also if your homes electrical power supply fluctuates a lot this too can take out sensitive electronics which the 2413S PLM is. Despite popular belief electronic devices are not just impacted by outside surges like POCO line voltage swings, and random lightning events. 99% of the out of band micro surges come from with in the home like a fridge, sump, furnace, AC, etc. The most concerning thing people need to understand and realize is most electronics made today are not designed to sustain a voltage sag ( brown out). Power supplies that do not have well regulated systems will react as expected which is when voltage falls - current rises. This increase in current (amperes) will quickly smoke traces, micro controllers, and transistors. Besides voltage sags the next biggest threat is *sustained* voltage rise which exceeds 130 VAC. Most if not all common electronics are designed to operate from 109 - 130 VAC sustained voltages RMS. This is why the latest Insteon hardware that supports 100-277 VAC 50/60 Hz is such a welcome addition. As the standard home will rarely if ever see (RMS) line voltages in this magnitude. Even if it did since the PSU is designed to sustain these line voltages indefinitely no harm would come to them. Added to the fact some of them have declared they can sustain 1000 volt surges. Unfortunately none of what I have described has been incorporated into the 2413S PLM?!?!

No, the 2413S PLM does not supply power to the ISY that was the 2412S PLM of years past. You will need a PSU for the ISY Series Controller which can take a wide range in voltage(s).

While I agree the consumer needs to do their own part in comparative shopping considering its so easy with the Interwebs. This doesn't address the companies (SH) handling of inflated pricing before sales promotions are listed. My view is unless that $5.XX means that much to a person. For me it would never sway me to purchase an item with only 30 days worth of hardware warranty given the fact its clear to me there isn't much QA on the returned product(s). I've seen a few people receive defective items where the unit didn't respond to linking, bad LED, to devices pulsing on-off. Most people know I have no problem throwing Apple under the bus when needed. But I can tell you they have one of the very best refurbished programs out there for the hardware they sell. Every device gets a new outer shell unless its pristine and every device receives a brand new battery along with a full 12 month warranty. Any accessories like ear phones, manuals, etc are included. None of this happens at Smarthome - my understanding is unless a product is obviously damaged on the outside the returned product is simply placed into large bins labeled returns. Then when ever someone sees the bin is at a certain level they start to list off the items for refurbish sales. Based on this how can anyone have faith on a product that has a 30 day hardware warranty?!?! If the item was only $15-20.XX at that price point I would consider it a calculated risk and know going in its a 50-50 chance of win / lose. Unfortunately none of the refurbished items are priced in the $15-20.XX price point!

I've commented on this before in several threads already in this site. I am not sure who is in charge of the promotional sales (pricing) at this company but they need to reevaluate that persons standing. In many places its highly illegal to offer a so called sale while in reality they have increased the base price. Lots of people have chimed in saying its done all the time vs others saying *Its their business they can do what ever they like*. True . . . But unlike years past there wasn't the Internet and massive on line presence of various forums and customer feedback. I'm not sure why there are still so many companies that believe they can get away with price fixing. In the ideal world a business would price their wares / services where a decent profit margin could be had. In the world we all live in today it seems there is no rhyme or reason for prices. Its like when I receive the weekly flyer for Canadian Tire where they will have the same exact 60 piece tool set for 20-30-55% off the so called regular price. Only a moron would pay full retail pricing on something that routinely goes for less five days later. This is like any of the Insteon products that are currently being sold for hundreds of percentages over actual component costs. I don't begrudge any company being able to make a decent profit and living on their wares / services. But companies like Smarthome really need to start to smell the virtual coffee and plant their feet on the ground. Over the years prices have actually gone up and not down on various products at Smarthome. Given the steady increase and adoption of Home Automation it appears to me they believe its acceptable. Only time will tell if consumer feels the very same way as the last 16 months have shown massive one time sales events. While other times its like someone said * I need another VW on my drive way so lets jack up the prices this week*?!?! I will really never understand the whole mentality of pricing something unreasonable and then in the same breath offer it on sale several times a year. When its crystal clear they continue to rake in massive profit on items that costs mere dollars per unit. What I find incredibly shocking in all these years not a single Chinese company has ever tried to copy and sell the very same hardware. I have to gather the hardware isn't the problem so much as being able to reverse engineer the firmware where the product will operate like the real thing. Then again if the Chinese can copy a stealth plane, rocket, satellite, phones, cars, name your poison. I have to gather its because they don't see a profit in it as its clear the HA topology wars is over 7 years ago.

No, you want to see bad just go to about anywhere in India. I honestly thought all of those funny images I would see in emails were Photoshop or jokes. But a few friends that live in different parts of India have sent me photo's of the electrical, telephone, wiring is unbelievable. Never mind the packing of humans on trains, cars, buses . . . It makes those past circus acts I saw way back in the day where the clowns stuffed in 8-10 guys into a VW bug look like nothing. Seeing hundreds of Indians hanging off a fast moving train on the outside of the roof, foot bars, and door hangs is just insane!

That is so awesome haven't seen those in ages! They were very common in Asia when I traveled for work back in the day. [emoji23][emoji38][emoji854][emoji851] ========================= The highest calling in life is to serve ones country faithfully - Teach others what can be. Do what is right and not what is popular.

What Cocoontech members biased?!?! Say it ain't so LMAO . . .

The only Insteon hardware device that needs to be called out is the *Toggle Linc*. This is probably the only single band lighting switch Smartlabs hasn't updated since product launch. I call this out because there are many folks that have an affinity to that old school look and feel. I personally have never liked the look or feel of the mechanical toggle switch since its inception. Having said this if you have existing toggle switches you can easily integrate Insteon micro modules to make them *Smart Switches*. This assumes box fill and room isn't an issue in your home. As older homes from 1990 and before had some really shallow box's . . .

Per Larryllix, Please ensure you read the full users manual for what ever dual band device you have in the home to confirm and validate proper coupling / bridging via the 4 tap beacon test. I call this out because older hardware which had white LED's required the person to understand fully the LED behavior. Whereas some of the older dual band KPL relays also flashed their buttons / didn't flash to reflect same phase / opposite phase. Then there are the plugin lamp linc / on-off relay modules. One needs to be aware you must ensure the device is turned on (Green LED) before you initiate the 4 tap beacon test. Failure to do this will cause endless confusion as to the same leg / opposite leg being coupled / bridged - or not.

Any insight as I completed the survey late in the evening and didn't bother putting on my P.I. hat?

I would encourage you to filter all of the devices which are on the same circuit using a power bar. Or move the 2413S PLM on to a dedicated circuit which does not have other noise makers / signal suckers on the same branch circuit. When using high quality CAT6 Ethernet cable which is 23 awg you can extend the distance and placement of the 2413S PLM. As serial data has a defined limit . . . Having said this in my personal experience and hundreds of installs I've been able to use 75 feet at the outer limit with out issues. I normally don't exceed 25 feet in most applications and hover around 10-15 feet for (A) Typical installs. This will give you the flexibility to move the 2413S PLM to a circuit (assuming) one exists in that room, area, zone, floor. It should be noted not all CAT6 cable is indeed 23 awg most are 24 awg and many more are using CCA materials. Do not purchase Copper Clad Aluminum (CCA) Ethernet cable from anyone regardless of how cheap it is! As this type of cable is of low quality and isn't approved for in wall use besides casual and random usage.

Filled in the survey not sure what information it will provide?

Where and what is plugged in with the 2413S PLM on the same circuit?

Hello Simon, Its been awhile and if you referenced this thread all is well: http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/19732-new-home-build-existing-isyinsteon-devices/ Hope this message finds you well . . .

Before you throw in the towel please submit a service request to UDI: http://www.universal-devices.com/contact-support/ Please reference this forum thread technical support can determine its not something like the SD card just needs to be formatted. Please circle back with the forum members regardless of the outcome . . .

Yes, the UUID is also listed on a white sticker inside affixed to the main board. I call this out because normally a person would obtain the UUID by selecting Help->About in the Admin Console.

Before you spend any money please look in the WiKi to complete a hard reset. If that doesn't work at least you tried that solution. Also for clarity sake are you indicating there is absolutely no LED's lit up upon power up? The LED sequence will let us know what state its in. I would also try another power supply in case that blew simple check.

Another alternative is to mark each device as to their future (final placement ) that way once the hardware is installed there's nothing to do. This of course requires lots of thought and planning because if the switch is in the wrong spot you will need to reprogram it anyways. All of this is work in the front end or the back end. From personal experience I prefer to do all the front end prep so it's just wire and go! [emoji851][emoji12][emoji38] ========================= The highest calling in life is to serve ones country faithfully - Teach others what can be. Do what is right and not what is popular.

LOL, I was only at 893 thank you! Your example of the *I hear you talking* is a nice step and could be used in a multi prong solution that meets user specific needs. What I envision is the combination of the following in no specific order just for discussion purposes. 1. You ask Alexa the standard way using the wake up phrase(s). This would be the default setting so not to confuse the beginner. 2. Like the alarm clock you can have Alexa at pre scheduled (Calendar & Time) tell you what ever you need to know. The *Reminder List* it has now is the perfect example it simply doesn't automatically tell you anything unless invoked. 3. Advanced: This is where you will have the ability to define what, when, where, and how it speaks to you. My example was say the weather based on NOAA / S.A.M.E data. You walk in to the room and if you invoke the wake up word she will immediately tell you the current weather and any hazards etc. If you tie this to a motion sensor there is no need to say anything she will just automagically tell you the items of interests from a rolling lists you define. Say on the week ends you don't need to know the weather like any kind of schedule / calendar it could be filtered and defined. Of interest to me is the having the ability to interact with Alexa where she tells me what the current energy readings are in the home. Based on her feed back I can tell her to invoke and enable power saving measures etc. I already do this mostly automated but this is something via voice that I must be active in doing it. I never know what energy level the home is until I view it on one of many mounted tablets, terminals, smartphone, PC's. Knowing this is going to be a long journey I am still hopeful because Amazon has pushed the whole voice interaction to a whole new (basic) level. Which in time - perhaps it will become the cornerstone of daily life.

I truly believe unification and global market support for Alexa will usher in more *Practical* and useful interaction and services. The key sticking point is the fact the system can not invoke a automatic response to outside stimuli. We all know it can be done its simply not done because its clear to me some of the people at the top are the very same people who fancy sub par products and services. I believe when Google finally enters the market with their voice product (IF) they have any common sense and actually use the brain power of all the geniuses that they have under their roof. Something as simple as mail, schedules, appointments, reminders, etc. Will be the first stepping stone of voice wars . . . Meaning the first person that offers two way, reactive, and relevant data and interaction will be the clear winner. Right now there isn't a product that can read off your mail to you that comes in a Amazon Echo, Tap, Dot form. I can only imagine the day when Alexa will *Automagically* call out to me: *Teken, there is a fast approaching storm* based on NOAA - S.A.M.E weather reporting. *Teken, you have two appointments today at XX time, with XX person / location* *Teken, currently your energy consumption is below 5 KWH when compared to the same time yesterday* *Teken, while you were away the lowest temperature was 18'C & the highest was 21'C* Right now lots of this voice interaction is purely a novelty and fun factor which doesn't offer real benefits to the average person besides look at me. Having said this a few services like Call my buddy have truly offered something that is useful and relevant in the world of man. What I am looking for is lets get away from the pansy tell me my horoscope, who's man-bear-pig? You can order me a pizza, Uber, Taxi that's great and all. But, how about what I listed up above?!?! Lastly, I am unsure what the massive wait is for Amazon to start selling the hardware world wide?!?! I can't understand how the people who run this company that are literally sitting on a gold mine. Doesn't think its a good thing to start selling the hardware to people outside of the USA?!?! The revenue generated from just the sales of Echo, Dot, Tap would fund dozens of new projects and other hardware advancements for Alexa. This short sighted sales channel could even finance that lunatics space race!

If the 2413S PLM still holds the link record for the devices anything the ISY knows about can be turned on-off. Best practices are to hard reset all hardware following the full users manual for those specific devices. You would do the same for the ISY & 2413S PLM. Essentially you would be starting with a new slate. It should be noted you can export all of the programs from the ISY Series Controller by going to the root folder and right mouse click and select that option. Doing so before you factory reset the controller will at least give you something to follow and start with. Obviously you will need to change the programs to either have no conditions that point to a specific piece of hardware or remove that reference. A little bit of work in prep will save you tons of setup time later. Lastly, regardless of all the above make a good back up in case you need to revert back for what ever reason. Better to have and not need. Then to need and not have!! [emoji38][emoji4][emoji847][emoji31] ========================= The highest calling in life is to serve ones country faithfully - Teach others what can be. Do what is right and not what is popular.

Wago lever nuts are more expensive than standard *Marretes* but really do speed up standard wiring. They are CEC / NEC approved and come in various sizes and capacities. Besides more expensive some of the different Wago connectors are larger than standard screw on connectors so box fill may pose an issue in some junction box's. As an aside I also reside in the 51st State (Canada). [emoji4] ========================= The highest calling in life is to serve ones country faithfully - Teach others what can be. Do what is right and not what is popular.

Yeah some of us had to do the twist nut method a few dozen times before grabbing a brain it wasn't very efficient [emoji30][emoji31][emoji851][emoji12]