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I am eager to find out once the new units are in peoples hands or when the OTA is released. Then, those who have more than one can reply back.

But, but, but I was being serious . . .

Can you rephrase that question again?

I agree even though I'm not that old (I know its subjective ask my daughter) they simply don't build things like they used to. Its pretty funny to watch and hear people comment when they enter the home and see all of the stereo hardware. Then, the next question is wheres the XX surround sound? LOL . . . I suppose most are really confused because by looking at me none of them believe old school technology is of interest to me or even have old school gear to start with. Rock On . . .

I believe based on the (few) reports this was really a variability in Q/A and as time went on this was corrected. My hopes are to integrate some really old school A/V gear with new school technology like the Dot. My DBX, Bryston, Nakamichi, Sony ES, Onkyo Integra, Pioneer Elite, etc have been sitting idle for years all neglected LOL.

The benefit for me for the Dot is having the ability to insert web content which is not possible from other hardware solutions which only do one thing. I've been around lots of the so called *Golden Ears* in my travels and when presented with a A-B comparator everyone has always failed to distinguish more reasonable interconnects. I won't go so far as using lamp cord which so many news prints always speak of because at specific (tone) frequencies they can be distinguished. Given 99% of the population doesn't listen to tones its a moot point.

No, you can use any of the three devices to speak to Alexa and do what ever you want. You are correct in the past you needed to have an existing Echo or website to order the Dot during the soft launch.

I read that too and this is why I am eager to see reviews and feed back from others. Was the noise and pop consistent or did it come and go?

You can use any of the Echo, Dot, Tap to integrate with the ISY Series Controller. You don't need the ISY Portal if your willing to do the leg work along with having the Network Module. Many threads about the how to before ISY Portal was available . . .

They do offer a 1,2,3 extended warranty though - don't know what they are asking for said privilege. I believe waiting a few months to let the full production run to wiggle out any hardware issues is prudent considering the 90 warranty period. Like what is going to happen in 90 days or if someone doesn't use it very often? EDIT: The extended warranty is very reasonable: 1 = $4.99, 2 = $9.99, 3 = $14.99 all of them include accidental protection and 2-3 exchange. That is pretty good value for sure even the Gen 1 offered only 1 year so for $49.XX and $14.99 = $64.98 still an amazing value. Reading the questions from Amazon there are lots of pissed off people LOL!

Older units will be updated via a OTA firmware update. Based on the Amazon site it uses ESP to determine which one is closer and respond in kind. Proof will be in the pudding when its actually deployed in real world use. Of concern to me is the 90 day warranty like really WTF?

Yes, that is perfectly fine simply by replacing the hardware of choice. There is no problem deploying wireless sensors where hard wiring is near impossible to route or where costs are prohibitive. But wireless should never be the primary method to protect a homes occupants or buildings premises. Wireless can be used as method to offer additional layering and that just makes sense and is OK. If the original home owner did not wire for the following I would urge you to build this into the project costs: Monitor Sump, Low temperature, Fire, CO. Leak Detection for primary areas such as washer, toilets, HWT, dishwasher, fridges with water / ice maker. Also if the previous owner did not install a key pad in the master bedroom please do so. A dedicated panic button should also be considered and located in a secure location like a closet. This simple but critical panic button requires no thinking just a simple inserted finger push. Lastly, regardless of the brand and technology being used please ensure a *Duress* code / pass phrase is enabled and noted in the CS station. Of special note you need to inquire how the CS will handle the duress code when on the phone. This is to ensure the occupant will not be killed if monitored . . . Lastly, please ensure regular testing, calibration, and validation is performed to ensure a reliable system

Hrmmm, I won't lie both seem OK to me. Assuming a person isn't a grammar Nazi? Given English is my second language I struggle daily in learning the nuances of the English language. wy u not understands meeeeee?

But, but, but, wut if ma unglish issnt vary goods? Can u please lets me no hows its dun propaaa like?

If true security and long term reliability is the ultimate goal please consider having the entire security alarm system hardwired. Wireless systems have been pushed on to the market because its easy, cheap, and requires no skills. The vast majority to run cabling is the primary cost in today's market besides equipment. It doesn't matter what kind of battery the system uses these are long term maintenance and costs born on the end user forever. The reality is once the system has been commissioned very few people take the time conduct proper system checks. This is analogous to those same people who can't even complete the following scheduled tasks. Many of the long time members who have read my replies have seen this list: 1. Smoke Alarms 2. AFCI / GCI 3. Sump 4. GDO 5. HVAC 6. Fridge / Freezer 7. Hot Water Tank A hardwired system requires no batteries to replace or long term costs. They inherently offer more secure communications and reliability and not limited by physical barriers. They also don't have the same range related issues that come with wireless. If your going to spend money you might as well spend it once and spend it right the first time.

How would it be properly formatted in *Proper English*?

I believe you missed the (OR) portion . . .

Link: http://fortune.com/2016/09/14/amazon-echo-dot-new-version/ http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/14/12912666/amazon-echo-dot-pricing-features

Going off memory there was a very short time where the new Insteon product ID was used but still did not incorporate 100-277 VAC support. I will need to look that up to confirm as its been awhile . . .

Hello GaryT, Unfortunately that doesn't tell me if its a dual band unit that supports 100-277 VAC @50/60 Hz. I only ask because the latest hardware with Revision 7.0 plus have more robust PSU's with in. They also incorporate 1000 volts surge protection and I ask because this would be the first time someone has indicate a power blip caused one of the devices to exhibit what you describe. If you remove the front trim plate cover you can obtain the production date and hardware revision.

Hello GaryT, Can you let us know if both models are the newer hardware where it supports 100-277 VAC @50/60 Hz?

Not a problem as its easy to get lost in the whole automate everything. One of the hardest things I find that people don't fully understand is that *Any Device* should operate in its native way with out thinking. A lay (common) person who enters a home should not have to decipher what something does or ask questions of how it functions. Doing so will open the home and the occupants to mistakes and in the extreme situation life or death. Other things people fail to realize is any device that is modified from the OEM specification by default is void of any UL / cUL and safety ratings. When I see people using RPi's into their HVAC system for control I just have to shake my head in disbelief. The HVAC system in most cases is one of the most critical and expansive elements in the home. People really need to apply some common sense in what they do because there are just too many instances where things just went completely wrong.

I'm sorry I referenced that thread. [emoji17] Lets please not reply back to the link offered by Larry. The OP was sincere and corrective actions have been made so we are told. I personally came out blazing in that thread because there were items that needed to be addressed and discussed. [emoji35] Having said this, the OP in that specific case was sincere and did realize proactive measures needed to be made moving forward. No need to kick the dog again. ☹️[emoji58] ========================= The highest calling in life is to serve ones country faithfully - Teach others what can be. Do what is right and not what is popular.

This is true given some of the past forum threads where someone almost burnt their house down due to a accidental scarf falling on table lamp that returned to the on state after a power loss. Given the OP indicated its for a clock radio and now knows this dual outlet relay supports *Last Known* state. He should move forward knowing what he plugs in should respect fire / safety.