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Can anyone help me control a single device in HA through an NR? Short story: I have a Samsung TV that HA found and created a card for. Using the card, I can manually turn the TV on and off. I want to tell HA do that in an NR. I think it is possible through the HA RESTful interface, with PUT calls maybe, but I'm finding it hard to get the specifics by searching. Long story: This model, UN43TU700DFXZA , must be turned on through WOL. Once it's on, you can send it commands, but like a lot of modern stuff, you have to use credentials that you obtain once interactively. HA's integration handles all this, and it's now set up on my TV, so with its interface I can control the TV's power. I don't think NR's have the versatility to directly communicate with this TV, but all my logic is on my Polisy, and I just need to be able to turn the TV on and off to create an automation that I want. That's why I want to use a couple of NRs to control the TV power through HA. Like a lot of things HA-related, searching for '"REST" turned up a lot of information that was either irrelevant or so densely filled with jargon that I couldn't understand it. I have created several NRs for other things in my home, and I'm hoping one of the built-in NR protocols can be used to send the proper commands to HA. -Tom

I added a Zen37 wall remote. The nodes it created are...weird. I expected the 4 scene buttons to at least have some kind of status, and to have that status change momentarily when the button is pressed. As you can see from the attached images, those nodes are empty. And why are the scene control nodes numbered 2,3,6-9? Maybe it's because direct associations are supported, but only for 1-tap actions? See the 4th image to understand why I made this guess. However... I created a program with "If ZW002 Scene Button 1 is switched On" trigger, and it worked when I pushed the top button. So I guess everything is OK? -Tom

That was happening to me a few days ago, but it's working correctly now. Always using Edge. -Tom

I don't have any original RemoteLincs to test with anymore, but the last time I tried to link them my experience was exactly like Brian H described. I had to go out to the courtyard of my condo about 50-100ft from the PLM. I recommend trying to link/update far away from the PLM's wireless reach, at the perimeter of the entire wireless range reachable by your dualband devices. -Tom

I have to say, though, that I find it weird that press and hold and fast on work exactly like they should. You'd think that if there was something wrong with the On button they'd be messed up, too. That's what makes me wonder if it isn't programmed incorrectly somehow, or associated with a rogue scene or program, and if it is, a replacement KPL will have the same problem if I restore to it. The other weird thing is that I discovered this behavior because this KPL is in a scene that gets turned off when I double click (fast off) a switch at the top of the stairs, and it wasn't turning off. It did turn off, though, if the status was something other than Off; that is, if I queried it, or changed it through the AC, etc., and then did the double click of the stairs switch. But since my reset and restore, it's turning off when it should. Since that was the motivation for the whole investigation and search for a fix, I might just leave it as is. -Tom

@IndyMikeIt acts just like it did before, only the status when queried is 70%, and the first ST message in the log is 179. But the AC flashed 70% and then went to Off like before. And I can turn it on and off in the AC and in that case the status is always correct. It looks like pushing the On button always sends two messages, and the second one tells the PLM that the level is 1/255. Time to remove/reset/readd, and if that doesn't work, replace. -Tom

I think the next step is remove, reset, reinstall. Thanks for the pointers on how to do that, @dbwarner5. -Tom

@IndyMike Thanks for having a look! I don't understand all these messages, so I dropped down to level 2 for the stuff I posted earlier. Here's the level 3 traffic for a single press of On: Wed 05/01/2024 03:26:05 PM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 1D.FB.44 00.00.01 CF 11 00 LTONRR (00) Wed 05/01/2024 03:26:05 PM : [Std-Group ] 1D.FB.44-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3 Wed 05/01/2024 03:26:05 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [1D FB 44 1] [DON] [0] uom=0 prec=-1 Wed 05/01/2024 03:26:05 PM : [ 1D FB 44 1] DON 0 Wed 05/01/2024 03:26:05 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [1D FB 44 1] [ST] [168] uom=100 prec=0 Wed 05/01/2024 03:26:05 PM : [ 1D FB 44 1] ST 168 (uom=100 prec=0) Wed 05/01/2024 03:26:05 PM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 1D.FB.44 00.01.01 CF 11 01 LTONRR (01) Wed 05/01/2024 03:26:05 PM : [Std-Group ] 1D.FB.44-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3 Wed 05/01/2024 03:26:05 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [1D FB 44 1] [DON] [1] uom=0 prec=-1 Wed 05/01/2024 03:26:05 PM : [ 1D FB 44 1] DON 1 Wed 05/01/2024 03:26:05 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [1D FB 44 1] [ST] [1] uom=100 prec=0 Wed 05/01/2024 03:26:05 PM : [ 1D FB 44 1] ST 1 (uom=100 prec=0) Wed 05/01/2024 03:26:05 PM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 1D.FB.44 11.00.01 CF 06 00 (00) Wed 05/01/2024 03:26:05 PM : [Std-Group ] 1D.FB.44-->11.00.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3 Wed 05/01/2024 03:26:05 PM : [INST-INFO ] Previous message ignored. -Tom

It's kinda old. And I do have spares that are newer. I'll try the remove/readd, then I'll just replace it if I need to. I just want to make sure I'm not overlooking any easy troubleshooting steps or root causes. I'd hate to go to the trouble of replacing it, and getting the same behavior because I had some bad links that get restored every time or something like that. It's new behavior, so either I misconfigured something accidentally recently, or the device has failed. Doesn't the Event Viewer suggest that it's sending an On message of 1/255 to the PLM right after it sends the On of 168? That sounds like a busted KPL to me. -Tom

Tried resetting 3 times with long air gap, always the same behavior. And I was also able to verify that I can press and hold On and Off to dim to any level I want, ant the AC shows the correct status. But if I press On, status flashes 66% and then goes to Off. Fast On also works as it should. Just the single press of On is whack. If I remove and readd, will I need to readd it to any scenes it was in? It's been a while since I've done this. I've done a few replacements recently, and that's automatic, but can I replace this KPL with itself, essentially? -Tom

That was my reset and restore, as documented in the first post. It did improve the behavior slightly - prior to that, it was always going on to 100%, rather than 66% then 100% with the two successive presses. But it didn't fix the spurious Off status issue. I'll try again. -Tom

More info: if I turn it on in the AC, this is what Event Viewer shows: Tue 04/30/2024 02:31:38 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [1D FB 44 1] [ST] [168] uom=100 prec=0 Tue 04/30/2024 02:31:38 PM : [ 1D FB 44 1] ST 168 (uom=100 prec=0) Status shows 66%. Seems like it's just the physical actuation of the On button that's weird. -Tom

I have a KPL that's acting strangely. Its on level is 66%. When I press On, its status in the AC briefly flashes to 66%, then returns to Off. The light does turn on, at 66%, and it stays there. If I query it in the AC, the status becomes 66%. Here's what the Event Viewer shows when I press On: Tue 04/30/2024 02:16:12 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [1D FB 44 1] [DON] [0] uom=0 prec=-1 Tue 04/30/2024 02:16:12 PM : [ 1D FB 44 1] DON 0 Tue 04/30/2024 02:16:12 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [1D FB 44 1] [ST] [168] uom=100 prec=0 Tue 04/30/2024 02:16:12 PM : [ 1D FB 44 1] ST 168 (uom=100 prec=0) Tue 04/30/2024 02:16:12 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [1D FB 44 1] [DON] [1] uom=0 prec=-1 Tue 04/30/2024 02:16:12 PM : [ 1D FB 44 1] DON 1 Tue 04/30/2024 02:16:12 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [1D FB 44 1] [ST] [1] uom=100 prec=0 Tue 04/30/2024 02:16:12 PM : [ 1D FB 44 1] ST 1 (uom=100 prec=0) Curiously, it also has the exact same series of messages if I press On again. The light goes to full on, as it should, but the same thing happens: status is shown to be 66% (168 in the message), and then the spurious return to Off. Does anyone know what's going on here? I've already reset and restored once. I guess I can try removal and reinstallation next. -Tom

To clarify, I want to transfer one plugin that I purchased. There's another one that I trialed on the "old" Polisy that I don't want to transfer, and I definitely don't want an attempted transfer to break my purchased license and installation on the "new" Polisy. -Tom

Never mind. I see "Migrate" under "Maintenance". One question remains, though, before I try it. I had a license for a trial version of a plugin, and since I bought it and installed it on the "new" Polisy. Will that license migrate too? Maybe it doesn't matter, because it's already expired. But I don't want to break something that's working. -Tom

I read in another thread that it's possible to transfer a plugin license via the portal. I can't figure out how to do that. Can someone help me? -Tom details: I have two Polisy units registered in the portal. I want to move a plugin from the one I used to use to the one I want to use from now on. I don't need to restore nodes or anything, just need to be able to install fresh on the "new" Polisy and configure from scratch.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say this: if you've been in since the beginning, think back to before the portal existed. Everything you needed to do then can still be done without the portal - in some cases the portal makes things easier, but there's still an old-school way to get it done. It sounds like all you want to do is maintain and troubleshoot your Insteon (and maybe Z-Wave?) network(s) and make them fully available to HA. I too would guess that you don't need the portal subscription. -Tom

I've been wanting to add external temp/humidity sensing to my Polisy setup for a while now and decided to take the leap. I got the SpeakerHub and the X3 Outdoor Sensor. This YoLink stuff is very easy to set up, seems to perform very well (though today is day 1, so let's see), and the node server is outstanding. I had it all set up in minutes because of the very clear instructions. At no point did anything go wrong, nor did I have to redo anything. I wish every time I tried something new it worked so well. -Tom

X10 and Insteon have one advantage over Z-Wave that I'm hanging onto - you can plug in and unplug switch and dimmer modules at will, without upsetting the network. This has value for those who set up powered holiday decorations or do ad hoc lighting and/or device control for special events. I do a little of both. But for permanent home installation, it's more a matter of reliability and cost, and whatever technology is best suited will win, and should. Also, the X10 maxi controllers are darn handy. They can issue ~256 distinguishable on/off commands that many (mostly obsolete, admittedly) HA controllers can respond to, plus dimming commands. I'm not aware of any other well-defined home automation protocol that offers that versatility. -Tom

Mine also says v9E. I have the Smarthome version of the Maxi Controller, and I can give that a try this weekend with and without the XTB-IIR, and also plugged into various outlets, to see what happens. What I can't do is test a 2.7 PLM, since mine is a 2.1. -Tom

And the XTB-IIR (controlled by Elk) and PLM are plugged into the same outlet (the XTB via a power strip). The X10 ApplianceLinc is across the room in another outlet. -Tom

I decided to check my log, and the X10 events are there. Do you have an X10 node defined on your Eisy? I do. I also have a Polisy and not an Eisy. My PLM is a 2413S, V2.1. Just documenting possible differences.differences. -Tom

Is there any chance that your 994i was using a 2412S PLM? When I switched to a 2413S in my main house years ago I noticed that its receive sensitivity was way lower. I had experiences just like yours. But I didn't care too much because I didn't rely on X10 at the time; I was just experimenting. I just checked with my 2413U connected to my Polisy here in my apartment (different location and setup) and I can turn A1 on and off with my Elk, and see the status correctly reflected on the Polisy. My Elk is using an XTB-IIR as the interface. I can look at the logs if you want, but I can't imagine there isn't an entry for each X10 event. -Tom

Don't shoot the messenger if I'm wrong, but C's and 0's look alike, as do 3's and 5's if you're in a hurry, tired, or frustrated. None are as bad as B's and 8's or D's and 0's. Hopefully some will respond soon with something more useful. -Tom

History repeats itself. The pioneers used to do this on Stargate, HAI, Elk... The Stargate could make announcements over Panasonic business phones that were once commonly installed in high-end homes. Even (or especially) in bathrooms. -Tom