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Hello everyone,

 

Just a quick comment:

 

We would love to integrate with everything out there including Homekit.

 

This said, the reason we cannot do anything now is because their hardware requirements will simply exhaust all our resources (both financially as well as developmentally ) and will push back everything else (Z-Wave and 5.0) which we are working so hard to enhance.

 

Perhaps 5.x can act as a bridge.

 

With kind regards,

Michel

A chopped down ISY as a bridge might not be a bad idea.

 

It gets ISY on board and when people decide they don't like the iClaus (Christmas gift pun)  environment, they just may upgrade to a full ISY, with a drop in module, to be a real HA system. It gets ISY's foot in the door for fruity HA systems and who knows what the future could hold for the new...

 

 

     iISY994i  

 

                      (did I stutter?)

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I always find it funny when I see people referencing voice activation and how it will help them more. When in reality many forms of voice control have been readily available for years.

 

Some truly crappy while others had lots of potential and worked with in their technological constraints. Voice dictation has been available for years yet why is this not being used by all the masses?

 

The ability to read out loud a document has been available for many years too. Yet its not something the masses use each and every day.

 

Now, we come to the home which 99.999999999% of the population has never had any sort of voice control. Do some of you people really believe just because Siri is made available to perform voice commands that again the masses will adopt and use???

 

The reality is voice control is a huge novelty which helps a very limited segment of the worlds population. After the novelty has worn off I can guarantee each and everyone that 1% of those using Siri like voice control within 1 year will no longer use such fad features.

 

That you can take to the bank . . .

 

I see more value in the Amazon Echo system (once it gets ironed out) where a central system can be used in the home. Even this sort of device is very much a fad and the reality is after a year 99.99999999999999 of the people will have stopped using it and gotten off their aszz and activated what ever widget they intended long before this hype was ever thought of.

I used to believe similar to this line of thought until Apple came out with Siri. I use Siri 20-30 times a day for texting, asking about weather, asking her to call the closest <insert business here>, measurement conversion, calculations, reminders, etc, etc. It gets better and better the more I use it. I came back to this forum to see about home kit compatibility. I will be jumping ship from my isy as soon as there is an option that is compatible. I think most people that currently use isy/ home automation and get on a forum like this like to tinker and play with things. Apple with HomeKit will bring automation to the masses and it will just work and normal people besides us geeks will want it and start using it. I'm a geek but welcome Apple not doing anything particularly new, but doing it better and making it more accessible to all. I might pickup the insteon hub just for this if it will work alongside my isy. I really want proximity functions to control scenes from gps. Siri already reminds me of things when arriving/leaving work and home. Now I need my house to automate with the same triggers. Tried it with 3rd party apps and it just isn't reliable. If anyone can get this right, it's Apple.

Posted

Good Luck. Seeing where homekit is at right now, your list is years from coming to fruition. You should not run the ISY with homekit. The way homekit works, you really should use one or the other.

Posted

Has anyone else tried using the app Moni.ai to trigger IFTTT which sends a command to a network resource on the ISY?

I just set up a few last night. Pretty cool.

 

 

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Has anyone else tried using the app Moni.ai to trigger IFTTT which sends a command to a network resource on the ISY?

I just set up a few last night. Pretty cool.

 

 

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Could you please elaborate on the IFTTT to ISY part? How to you get IFTTT to send commands to the ISY? Do you use the maker channel to send REST commands to the ISY? If yes do you use HTTP or HTTPS? I couldn't get it to work with HTTPS, I didn't try HTTP. Some were suggesting it's a self-signed certificate issue.
Posted

For the Maker channel to send ISY REST commands, you *MUST* have a certificate on your ISY that is installed correctly (with any needed intermediate) and trusted by them (self signed can never be trusted by them).

 

Hopefully UDI can consider including a Let's Encrypt client in a newer version - to make SSL push-button easy... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/11/certificate-authority-encrypt-entire-web. https://letsencrypt.org

Posted

Hi MWareman,

 

I am not sure I understand what you mean. Are you suggesting including that as default certificate for client?

 

With kind regards,

Michel

 

Yeah, a free legitimate SSL cert would be better than a free self-signed one.

Posted

Hi fryfrog,

 

At one point, we did have one from CACert.org and none of the browsers supported it and they went out of business. Is this one supported by major browsers?

 

With kind regards,

Michel

Posted

Could you please elaborate on the IFTTT to ISY part? How to you get IFTTT to send commands to the ISY? Do you use the maker channel to send REST commands to the ISY? If yes do you use HTTP or HTTPS? I couldn't get it to work with HTTPS, I didn't try HTTP. Some were suggesting it's a self-signed certificate issue.

 

I have not run into any certificate issues.

I am running both the ISY99i-ZW and a Harmony Ultimate Hub.

Just one of the use cases I have for it:

1. Create a network resource on the ISY (called "Turn off TV") to sent a trigger to IFTTT Maker (Get https://maker.ifttt.com/xxxxxxx)

2. On IFTTT's website use the Maker channel to trigger the Harmony Hub to turn off the bedroom TV (end activity "watch TV - bedroom")

3. Already have a program called "Bedtime" that turns off the lights, locks the doors, activates the perimeter alarm, and adjusts the temperature and bedroom fans. 

  Added to the existing Bedtime program "Wait 2 hours, then resource Turn off TV

 

I realize that I could just get a WiFi2IP by Global Cache and use that with the ISY... but I already had the Harmony Hub; so why not find another way to use it?

Posted

I have not run into any certificate issues.

I am running both the ISY99i-ZW and a Harmony Ultimate Hub.

Just one of the use cases I have for it:

1. Create a network resource on the ISY (called "Turn off TV") to sent a trigger to IFTTT Maker (Get https://maker.ifttt.com/xxxxxxx)

2. On IFTTT's website use the Maker channel to trigger the Harmony Hub to turn off the bedroom TV (end activity "watch TV - bedroom")

3. Already have a program called "Bedtime" that turns off the lights, locks the doors, activates the perimeter alarm, and adjusts the temperature and bedroom fans. 

  Added to the existing Bedtime program "Wait 2 hours, then resource Turn off TV

 

I realize that I could just get a WiFi2IP by Global Cache and use that with the ISY... but I already had the Harmony Hub; so why not find another way to use it?

 

I misunderstood your post to mean that you are using IFTTT to send REST commands TO the ISY. That's what I was a having a problem with & couldn't get it to work. I didn't try yet to send commands from the ISY to IFTTT. 

Posted

Hi MWareman,

 

I am not sure I understand what you mean. Are you suggesting including that as default certificate for client?

 

With kind regards,

Michel

Sorry for the delay in responding - I've been out of the country on vacation....

 

No, including a default would be bad.... A default private key available to all the bad guys sends a shudder down my spine! Auto-generating a self signed should remain as an option...

 

What I'm referring to is a yet to be launched service that will issue fully trusted SSL certificates via an open source client and public api. The aim is to make SSL easy and cheap for everyone. It's being put together by some well trusted organizations (like the EFF).

 

I'm thinking that, once launched, a 'Let's Encrypt' client can be integrated to allow your customers to easily implement SSL in a way that will just work for them without having to get into trusts, intermediate certs etc. It would also make support easier for you since many would choose to use this, reducing the variety being dealt with.

 

Now, being honest, this would also work better with ddns in tow - but that's a discussion for another day!

 

Michael.

Posted

What power Apple wields!

 

An unproven -- in fact, barely released and with limited functionality -- product, and already people are eager to dump their investments in existing, working technology, just on the promises made by a single company.

 

Wow.  it must be good to be Apple.

 

 

Have you seen their earning reports? It IS good to be Apple. :)

Posted

Have you seen their earning reports? It IS good to be Apple. :)

Is it good to be Apple? Oh yes. Is it good to be an Apple customer, the kind described in the earlier post? Absolutely not!

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