auger66 Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 I ran across this today. I'm surprised it didn't turn up on a forum search. Anyway, since the home automation world is a big nonstandard mess that seems to be getting worse, I think this is exactly what is needed--a unified interface. It seems ambitious, but I would be all over this if it works. What little information they have out pushes all the right buttons for me. I'm interested in what y'all think. They already claim to support Insteon, but ISY isn't on the list. http://atmoshome.tech/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/smart-homes-biggest-problem-has-two-man-startup-atmos-solved-it/
asbril Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 If indeed it will work with Smarthings, Fibaro, Homeseer etc, it probably should work with ISY as well. At $ 249 it seems expensive but affordable. According to the website that you posted it will become available this Summer. If Alexa and Google Home keep coming out with new soft & hard-ware additions, Atmost may face stiff competition.
Michel Kohanim Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 Reminds me of Revolv. With kind regards, Michel
asbril Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 Reminds me of Revolv. With kind regards, Michel Ouch.....
paulbates Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 Really nothing major has happened in the past few years in HA in regards to the 2 models: Two types of HA: I want to remote control lights and device from a phone/tablet/touchpad/speaker device I want deeper integration and scripted automation, beyond remote control, of my house systems This is clearly a 1, which might be where Michel was going. Not an criticism of it, just an identification. Integration to Atmos appears to mean that it remote controls a number of PLC technoligies from its interfaces, but doesn't appear to allow orchestration of the integration like the ISY or homeseer (etc) do. I do appreciate that they're upfront about the reliability problems of wifi PLC and that they've thought about it: "The Atmos Expand Smart Switch also solves another major problem. Many smart lighting systems cease to operate when no Wi-Fi signal is present. Atmos has solved this problem by developing a proprietary interface". Sounds familiar, doesn't it? A PLC technology that uses 2 separate paths to support reliable signaling. hmmmmm Paul
asbril Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 Really nothing major has happened in the past few years in HA in regards to the 2 models: Two types of HA: I want to remote control lights and device from a phone/tablet/touchpad/speaker device I want deeper integration and scripted automation, beyond remote control, of my house systems This is clearly a 1, which might be where Michel was going. Not an criticism of it, just an identification. Integration to Atmos appears to mean that it remote controls a number of PLC technoligies from its interfaces, but doesn't appear to allow orchestration of the integration like the ISY or homeseer (etc) do. I do appreciate that they're upfront about the reliability problems of wifi PLC and that they've thought about it: "The Atmos Expand Smart Switch also solves another major problem. Many smart lighting systems cease to operate when no Wi-Fi signal is present. Atmos has solved this problem by developing a proprietary interface". Sounds familiar, doesn't it? A PLC technology that uses 2 separate paths to support reliable signaling. hmmmmm Paul I agree Paul, in fact Home Automation and Home Control can work together. I would seriously consider something like Atmos, knowing that I have the ISY 'machine' behind it.
auger66 Posted February 9, 2018 Author Posted February 9, 2018 Agreed. ISY brains with a unified interface, but simple enough to bring it all together for the masses for those that don't need/want the power of an ISY.
Teken Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 While I always appreciate more competition in the home automation realm. This is yet another cloud hosted service that mimics IFTTT / Stringify. They want to be the virtual glue. They get some points on the look and feel of the hardware even if flawed. This company is marketing to the newbs and geared toward the flash in the pan look at me gimmick crowd. Almost every device on their list to vendors they support are fad products. When I read *Security is on our road map and we are serious about it* yet they list two brands and products which could best called toys.
larryllix Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 Looks like another hub to control more hubs. A few have tried this nonsense before and it just gets silly. They make many claims that just aren't quite possible. Works when your WiFi is down? Insteon compatible? It is stated the $249 is a preorder price and the production price, if if it even makes it to the shelves, it will likely be higher before it hits the clearance shelves. Maybe the idea these dsys is just to get Google to buy you for $2,000,000,000 The claim that people want something they can touch to operate Amazon Echoes is the most ludicrous thing to claim. That takes sone creative marketing to get people to take two steps backward in the real HA world. Sent from my SGH-I257M using Tapatalk
asbril Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 Looks like another hub to control more hubs. A few have tried this nonsense before and it just gets silly. They make many claims that just aren't quite possible. Works when your WiFi is down? Insteon compatible? It is stated the $249 is a preorder price and the production price, if if it even makes it to the shelves, it will likely be higher before it hits the clearance shelves. Maybe the idea these dsys is just to get Google to buy you for $2,000,000,000 The claim that people want something they can touch to operate Amazon Echoes is the most ludicrous thing to claim. That takes sone creative marketing to get people to take two steps backward in the real HA world. Sent from my SGH-I257M using Tapatalk Larry, you may well be right. However I would not mind to have a screen on my wall that controls my Nest thermostats, my ISY switches etc as well as my audio system. I know that I use an Android or IOS pad with either Agave or Mobilinc but I would welcome something more intuitive that looks like a Control4 panel.
Teken Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 If we ignore the home automation protocol fragmentation and the whole Local First vs Cloud First debate. In the big picture having more choices is good for everyone. Anything that pushes existing vendors to do better in R&D and release hardware that is well thought out and reasonably priced is a win for the consumer. Right now the existing Z-Wave, ZigBee, Insteon players are just lost. The market will continue to be innovated by niche and small start ups. A few smart companies have embraced the crowd sourcing platform from the likes of KS & IndiGoGo. This immediately shows and affirms to me leadership is forward thinking in all aspects of market testing, financial, and vision. I don't know what ever happen to the UDI crowd funding idea. But this should be revisited again either to finalize the 5.XX platform or to help accelerate a release of a new 9XX Series Controller! A more powerful CPU, RAM, Encryption chip, multi protocol antenna to support Z-Wave, ZigBee, Insteon, WiFi, BLE. Maybe even native Julie U.S. /Alexa / Home support? And for Gods sakes let's get rid of that 1980 Java AC and push forward with HTML5 adoption!! Less we forget if such crowd funding takes off hire a UI / UX expert to offer a smart application for the AC! Just this one area would increase adoption of the ISY Series Controller. Every mass adopted toy like Controller has taken market share simply by the shear fact they offer a simple and easy interface for the user. The user experience is what sets the tempo and this directly translates to future sales. ✌️ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
asbril Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 If we ignore the home automation protocol fragmentation and the whole Local First vs Cloud First debate. In the big picture having more choices is good for everyone. Anything that pushes existing vendors to do better in R&D and release hardware that is well thought out and reasonably priced is a win for the consumer. Right now the existing Z-Wave, ZigBee, Insteon players are just lost. The market will continue to be innovated by niche and small start ups. A few smart companies have embraced the crowd sourcing platform from the likes of KS & IndiGoGo. This immediately shows and affirms to me leadership is forward thinking in all aspects of market testing, financial, and vision. I don't know what ever happen to the UDI crowd funding idea. But this should be revisited again either to finalize the 5.XX platform or to help accelerate a release of a new 9XX Series Controller! A more powerful CPU, RAM, Encryption chip, multi protocol antenna to support Z-Wave, ZigBee, Insteon, WiFi, BLE. Maybe even native Julie U.S. /Alexa / Home support? And for Gods sakes let's get rid of that 1980 Java AC and push forward with HTML5 adoption!! Less we forget if such crowd funding takes off hire a UI / UX expert to offer a smart application for the AC! Just this one area would increase adoption of the ISY Series Controller. Every mass adopted toy like Controller has taken market share simply by the shear fact they offer a simple and easy interface for the user. The user experience is what sets the tempo and this directly translates to future sales. ✌️ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Teken, I am not techie enough to understand each and every feature that you describe, but I am fully with you in supporting UDI to take ISY beyond 5.X . If that takes crowd funding, them I will be there as well. Indeed a new generation AC would be great as would be a super App.
DrLumen Posted February 10, 2018 Posted February 10, 2018 "has solved this problem by developing a proprietary interface" That stopped me dead. This is absolutely the last thing anyone needs.
Teken Posted February 11, 2018 Posted February 11, 2018 "has solved this problem by developing a proprietary interface" That stopped me dead. This is absolutely the last thing anyone needs. LOL ~ Besides it being a cloud hosted service / product. What could ever go wrong with such a concept?!? This whole renting, leasing, what ever label you want to place on it is such a terrible concept. The fact people buy into it really amazes me because it clearly shows the disconnect in seeing the big picture.
lilyoyo1 Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 On 2/10/2018 at 6:56 AM, asbril said: Larry, you may well be right. However I would not mind to have a screen on my wall that controls my Nest thermostats, my ISY switches etc as well as my audio system. I know that I use an Android or IOS pad with either Agave or Mobilinc but I would welcome something more intuitive that looks like a Control4 panel. RTI would give you want you are looking for as they have a 2 way driver for Insteon (ISY compatible). There is also comand fusion if you want something cheaper. The downside to that is you have to build the interface yourself (though I am certain you could find someone to do it for you).
Scyto Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 On 2/9/2018 at 7:20 AM, Michel Kohanim said: Reminds me of Revolv. With kind regards, Michel I loved my revolv. Better yet my wife love the revolv app. I only switched to my ISY once nest/google screwed them over. I will let you know what the Atmos is like... if it ever arrives....
bigDvette Posted February 14, 2019 Posted February 14, 2019 I sent them an email to ask how they supported Insteon. Below is my message and their response. Michael, do you have any knowledge of this? Hi We’ve integrated and are compatible with the Insteon Hub and ISY, as well as their switches and bulbs, which will need their hub. Let us know if you have any other questions, or if we can help with anything else. Best, Dean... ---- On Fri, 08 Feb 2019 07:00:13 -0800 It says you support Insteon but does not describe what is required. Do you require a specific hub or connect through the web portal ??
Michel Kohanim Posted February 15, 2019 Posted February 15, 2019 @bigDvette, No, not at all. With kind regards, Michel
paulbates Posted February 15, 2019 Posted February 15, 2019 Reading their web page, it looks like yet another remote control solution. The email message @bigDvette got is different than the web page - no ISY. It shows these supported controller devices, ISY is not on the list. They say Insteon under lighting, but do not show the hub. The hub's API interface is different than the ISYs... integrating one of them does not help with supporting the other. It seems like we would have seen developer posts from them here if they integrated the ISY. It looks likes its plausible through homeseer and IFTTT - seems like either of those would introduce noticeable latency between commanding and responding.
bigDvette Posted February 18, 2019 Posted February 18, 2019 Yeah I saw the supported device list. I got another response on Facebook post and it also said it supports ISY. Weird they would just say that. The Facebook post also said they were working on their own method to not have to use a hub. All a bit off.
bigDvette Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 They do show Insteon hub support now. I have asked to get in any beta they have as I have all of these technologies in 1 location. Let’s see if I can’t get something in my hands. ———- Home automation controller - ISY which in turns controls Insteon, Kwikset & Elk and has a raspberry Pi integrating control of Sonos, Harmony, LiftMaster, Rachio and Nest Insteon-Lighting, plugs, water sensors, valves, motion sensors Kwikset-zwave locks Elk-security, Fire, motion Sonos- 6 rooms of sound Logitech Harmony - 5 rooms Nest-Thermostats GE-Water Heater LiftMaster - Garage Door, Gate and Lighting Rachio - sprinkler control Haiku Home - ceiling fans Lorex - Security Cameras Davis weather station for local weather variables used in ISY and Rachio pushing t weather underground. IFTTT to integrate ISY & Nest, Elk/ISY and GE, Amazon Alexa integrated to Nest, IFTTT, ISY, Sonos for scene control.
larryllix Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 Now, at least a year later did this product ever launch? Many other screens have become available but I a not sure if they are touch screes for input or just visual output with voice input.
listen2this1 Posted June 17, 2019 Posted June 17, 2019 Anyone received one yet? Looking forward to reviews.
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