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2413s Insteon PLM / Modem still available anywhere? Discontinued?

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Brian H Advanced

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The total link size was on the sales pages and I have not seen any way in an ISY994i

2413S/U +1000 (1023) link database. The USB RF only 2448A7 sales page says +1000 link database, The old power line only was the one with two sizes. Original 2412S/U 417 link database, later ones where 2016 link database. Problem with a ISY994i was most users found greater than about 800 links in it and things started to get missed.

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7 minutes ago, Brian H said:

The total link size was on the sales pages and I have not seen any way in an ISY994i

2413S/U +1000 (1023) link database. The USB RF only 2448A7 sales page says +1000 link database, The old power line only was the one with two sizes. Original 2412S/U 417 link database, later ones where 2016 link database. Problem with a ISY994i was most users found greater than about 800 links in it and things started to get missed.

The 2413 QSG (dated 090108) advertises:

Stores over 2,016 INSTEON Links in 128Kb of non-volatile memory

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Brian H Advanced

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As far as I have seen.

That never happened. I have seen other posts asking the same thing. No one could verify the 2016 link database sized in a 2413S/U. The 24F128 was in the later 2412S/U.

I think it was a Smarthome sales error. Or what they where told by engineering to say. That claim just went away very quietly with no comment and the >1000 quietly came back.

I have V1.0 all the way to V2.5. Every one has a 24FC64 memory chip in it.

If it does exists I have not seen anyone say they actually had one.

The only way I know to actually tell the link database size. Is take off the top cover and read the part number on the memory chip. On the serial interface board. V2.4 has a new serial port board and the chip is on the underside. So the daughter board has to be removed to see the memory chip.

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16 hours ago, mmb said:

how do you see all links in the PLM? When I check the links table it just shows connected devices.

Tools > Diagnostics > Show PLM links table > Count

Beware that any insteon traffic during the count will cause the count to be inaccurate.   Any traffic includes motion from motion detectors or heartbeats from wireless devices, etc.   All programs can be stopped by putting a folder condition that will never be true on the "my Programs" folder (or root folder if named differently).  The link count should be repeated until you get duplicate results, especially there are wireless devices in the system.

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On 1/18/2022 at 6:29 AM, Brian H said:

As far as I have seen.

That never happened. I have seen other posts asking the same thing. No one could verify the 2016 link database sized in a 2413S/U. The 24F128 was in the later 2412S/U.

I think it was a Smarthome sales error. Or what they where told by engineering to say. That claim just went away very quietly with no comment and the >1000 quietly came back.

I have V1.0 all the way to V2.5. Every one has a 24FC64 memory chip in it.

If it does exists I have not seen anyone say they actually had one.

The only way I know to actually tell the link database size. Is take off the top cover and read the part number on the memory chip. On the serial interface board. V2.4 has a new serial port board and the chip is on the underside. So the daughter board has to be removed to see the memory chip.

I have one. Pretty sure they’re useless now, but I’ll sell or trade you mine. 

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Thanks for the update.

Have you found any way of actually finding the size of the memory?

The larger size was not being used by an ISY994i if memory is correct. As they have a size limit on their use of memory.

Do you have a revision number on the back? I possibly have one and could physically look at the chip in mine.

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On 1/27/2022 at 11:14 AM, ISY Newbie said:

So what is the consensus here on the fate of serial PLM?

Will they be back once the supply chain constraint is eased? Or is Smart Home pulling the plug due to low demand for the Insteon ecosystem altogether?

I just asked SmartHome and here’s what I got.

 

Unfortunately, we are sorry to inform you that the Insteon PLM (Item # 2413S) is out of stock (backorder) due to component shortages, and currently, we do not have an ETA on when the Insteon PLM (Item # 2413S) will be back in stock, but we hope to have product back in stock by mid of this year.

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Still a few units being bid up to gouging prices on eBay

One in Ontario, Canada started at $119.95 and currently up to $152 with 6 days to go. Got an automatic bidder (a few bidders competing) raising the price on that one. V2.1

One in Tennessee, USA starting at $200, just listed and no bids on it yet and 7 days to go. V2.1

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22 minutes ago, larryllix said:

Still a few units being bid up to gouging prices on eBay

One in Ontario, Canada started at $119.95 and currently up to $152 with 6 days to go. Got an automatic bidder (a few bidders competing) raising the price on that one. V2.1

One in Tennessee, USA starting at $200, just listed and no bids on it yet and 7 days to go. V2.1

The last couple didn't get much past 200. Still a decent price but nowhere near the 3-400+ they had been going for

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mango Advanced

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1 hour ago, lilyoyo1 said:

Not anymore. eBay has had so many lately no one is getting into a bidding war the way they used to

I just sold one and got good market rate for it. Still have 3 left and 1 2412S (2 live environments). Deciding whether I can lose another 1 or 2.

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22 minutes ago, lilyoyo1 said:

The last couple didn't get much past 200. Still a decent price but nowhere near the 3-400+ they had been going for

+$400 for a V1.b was just lala land, there's no way that rate would continue, that was a very desperate couple of buyers.

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9 minutes ago, mango said:

I wonder if most of us here are a big set of the watchers per auction ?

I sold a couple. I keep watch so i can jump in when it's worthwhile. From the numbers I've seen for the last few it hasn't been. Too many are dropping at the same time and too close to each other is my guess

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3 hours ago, lilyoyo1 said:

I sold a couple. I keep watch so i can jump in when it's worthwhile. From the numbers I've seen for the last few it hasn't been. Too many are dropping at the same time and too close to each other is my guess

The one's sold in Canada didn't go as high as the US. Yesterdays 2.1 went for $309 CAD. Smaller market, and I can only assume US buyers don't want to take the risk + duty.

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