Teken Posted October 19, 2021 Posted October 19, 2021 The fact you crossed the road is based on the majority of opinions only. Science works this way. When a larger majority of people, say from a different angle agree you didn't cross the road it will now be the new factual information. Science works this way, and science also contains it's own disclaimers to agree with this fact that it is never absolute or static. That is the whole point of science to learn and iterate. It’s not opinion it’s the facts on hand at that time to come up with hypothesis.The two should not be confused with opinion . . . As I stated early on one must obtain unbiased information to obtain the facts. Just because 15 iSheep say yes he crossed the road when they never even saw me.You eliminate that data point because they are too stupid to live!
MrBill Posted October 19, 2021 Posted October 19, 2021 by Michels own words: 23 hours ago, Michel Kohanim said: Just like regular ISY, you will be notified of available upgrades on the Admin Console. he seemed to indicate that the ISY admin console would notify us when new versions are available. I don't care what your interpretation of that is, I wanted to know Michels, so I asked HIM... not you. There was another case... the # to substitute a node name that worked in email notifications but not network resources. That fact had gotten off Michel's radar. Funny, after a long thread where I finally pointed out and stated the fact that the # didn't work with network resources, it got fixed shortly thereafter, but only in ISY for Polisy, the fix has yet to be back-ported to the ISY994. I wondered if the fact the admin console was not notifying us was indeed off Michel's radar. It's really very very simple.... I quoted what Michel said and asked "are you aware?" I didn't say "Teken do you have an interpretion of what Michel meant?"
Teken Posted October 19, 2021 Posted October 19, 2021 by Michels own words: he seemed to indicate that the ISY admin console would notify us when new versions are available. I don't care what your interpretation of that is, I wanted to know Michels, so I asked HIM... not you. There was another case... the # to substitute a node name that worked in email notifications but not network resources. That fact had gotten off Michel's radar. Funny, after a long thread where I finally pointed out and stated the fact that the # didn't work with network resources, it got fixed shortly thereafter, but only in ISY for Polisy, the fix has yet to be back-ported to the ISY994. I wondered if the fact the admin console was not notifying us was indeed off Michel's radar. It's really very very simple.... I quoted what Michel said and asked "are you aware?" I didn't say "Teken do you have an interpretion of what Michel meant?"Did my reply change the material FACTS?!?No . . .Did Michel affirm what I stated up above?!?Yes . . .Is this forum open for the community to offer their knowledge and insight?!?Yes . . .Are you the only key holder to offer an answer on the forums?!?The f^cken hubris . . .
MrBill Posted October 19, 2021 Posted October 19, 2021 21 minutes ago, Teken said: The f^cken hubris yours....
Teken Posted October 19, 2021 Posted October 19, 2021 yours....That’s the best you can offer?!? Weak sauce . . .
asbril Posted October 19, 2021 Posted October 19, 2021 58 minutes ago, larryllix said: When a larger majority of people, say from a different angle agree you didn't cross the road it will now be the new factual information. Science works this way, and science also contains it's own disclaimers to agree with this fact that it is never absolute or static. Now you got me confused...... Let me ponder on this for a few days ? 2
lilyoyo1 Posted October 19, 2021 Posted October 19, 2021 7 hours ago, asbril said: Strange indeed. Mine arrives tomorrow, even though it may be a while before Polisy is ready for Zwave. Mine arrived today. Hopefully I don't lose it before Polisy is ready. Let me not put it in a place where i won't forget about it. ?
asbril Posted October 19, 2021 Posted October 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, lilyoyo1 said: Mine arrived today. Hopefully I don't lose it before Polisy is ready. Let me not put it in a place where i won't forget about it. ? I like the granite kitchen top I put mine where it belongs..... in the Polisy. That way I won't lose it.
gviliunas Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) Ah Ha. Early adopters... It seems we have all ordered a Zooz (mine arrives Friday) in anticipation of Isy on Polisy with Z-wave.... Almost like Christmas anticipation when we were little.... Isy, Polisy, and UDI - Entertaining in so many ways! Edited October 20, 2021 by gviliunas 3
Whitehambone Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 On 10/18/2021 at 11:47 PM, larryllix said: But what is a 2" antenna worth anyway? @larryllix Well, from the perspective of an FCC-licensed Amateur Radio operator, 2 inches for the 900 Mhz band is not much. Typically the minimum usable antenna length is a ¼ wavelength of a giving frequency or at 900 Mhz, roughly 3.25 inches. Anything less than ¼ wave usually has or is basically a load coil and is a sacrifice in performance. Antenna gain is generally compared to ½ wave dipole that is 13 inches long at this frequency. Now some computer-generated compact antenna designs produce gain, but it is a moot point. The 902 Mhz to 928 Mhz band is allocated to the Amateur Radio service. The Z-Wave dongle is a part-15 device in this band and has limited emissions requirements. Typically the emission requirements are measured in microvolts per meter, a combination of power (watts) and antenna gain. So, in short, you are correct; it doesn’t matter if the antenna is 2 inches. There is some reading more boring than my post on the FFC’s website regarding part-15 devices. 1
larryllix Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, Whitehambone said: @larryllix Well, from the perspective of an FCC-licensed Amateur Radio operator, 2 inches for the 900 Mhz band is not much. Typically the minimum usable antenna length is a ¼ wavelength of a giving frequency or at 900 Mhz, roughly 3.25 inches. Anything less than ¼ wave usually has or is basically a load coil and is a sacrifice in performance. Antenna gain is generally compared to ½ wave dipole that is 13 inches long at this frequency. Now some computer-generated compact antenna designs produce gain, but it is a moot point. The 902 Mhz to 928 Mhz band is allocated to the Amateur Radio service. The Z-Wave dongle is a part-15 device in this band and has limited emissions requirements. Typically the emission requirements are measured in microvolts per meter, a combination of power (watts) and antenna gain. So, in short, you are correct; it doesn’t matter if the antenna is 2 inches. There is some reading more boring than my post on the FFC’s website regarding part-15 devices. Thanks! I do understand all that but don't understand how they can even make these 1/8? wave antennae work, not cook the containers. and yet still get that kind of performance out of them.
asbril Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 32 minutes ago, Whitehambone said: from the perspective of an FCC-licensed Amateur Radio operator, Hey, I am KJ4QYF
Whitehambone Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 @asbril CQ DX, CQ DX, KJ4QYF DE KB8WLW. 73! 1
lilyoyo1 Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 15 hours ago, asbril said: I like the granite kitchen top I put mine where it belongs..... in the Polisy. That way I won't lose it. Thank you. We'll be going with something else in the next house they doesn't require as much upkeep. That's where I put mine too
Michel Kohanim Posted October 20, 2021 Author Posted October 20, 2021 @Bumbershoot, We still haven't worked on migration. The main issue is all the INSTEON .REC files, otherwise, everything else is easy. @MrBill, I played with Conbee and I like it. Just need someone to develop a node server for Zigbee. With kind regards, Michel
asbril Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, Michel Kohanim said: I played with Conbee and I like it. Just need someone to develop a node server for Zigbee. Exciting future
MrBill Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Michel Kohanim said: I played with Conbee and I like it. Just need someone to develop a node server for Zigbee. @Michel Kohanim Getting the shade to work was quite a story, it starts with "I bought the shade without a plan but it said Zigbee so I figured I could make it work." Then I learned that ZLL and ZHA are like Apples and Oranges. (Zigbee Light Link/hue vs Zigbee Home Automation). So next I had to look for a Zigbee Coordinator that also had a local API, that's hard to figure out because all they advertise is "works with Alexa/GH", and they literally all state that, but none appear to actually have local API's, some advertised cloud API's but I wasn't interested. Some post somewhere got me looking at ConBee and they advertise works with HA... so I ordered one. Again not really knowing if this would work out but figured I had 30days before the Amazon return window closed. Turns out that with deConz, the native interface for Conbee, my device (the shade) hadn't yet been integrated. I wrote to dresden elektronik support a.k.a. Phoscon the maker of the conBee and a very detailed email came back telling me how to collect the devices information so that it could be supported via deConz, but looking at the github page where you make such device support requests it looks like they are quite backlogged with 153 open requests dating back to early this year. But the dresden email also contained one more sentence: "it seems you can already use the blind with the ConBee II via the Zigbee2MQTT integration" and Zigbee2MQTT also had a Home Assistant add-on. Ultimately I had to install two add-on's to HA for MQTT broker and then Zigbee2MQTT, there was much trouble getting Zigbee2MQTT to start and the error message that was misleading, but after firmware upgrade and a different error message i finally found the info needed in a "Note" at the bottom of article. Then I had to mess around with Zigbee2MQTT until it just mysteriously paired with the shade... I'd done the process the same way 100 times by that point, but the youtube video tutorial I was using warned that step would be difficult and illogical so I kept trying. The first time I got the shade to run from a laptop click, I whooped and hollered so loud the dogs started barking and my wife came running to see what was wrong...lol Next I created an ISY state variable to control the shade via Home Assistant, normally 0, set -1 to close and 1 to open and HA sets it back to 0 at the end of the automation. Used that with an extra KPL button/ISY scene for manual control. In the end I ended up using an HA automation to get the automation I wanted: close at sunset +30 min offset (easy peazey, with either platform) open when the second person got out of bed in the morning I had an idea in the back of my head to use "when phone is disconnected from charger" as the sensor for the open automation. Originally the goal was to use the iOS shortcuts app to set an ISY state variable for each phone's connected to charger state... but I realized I needed to use REST via the portal in case the phone wasn't on wifi for some reason--no wifi and a local path resulted in an ugly error notification. In the end, I discovered Shortcuts app to HA native App made more sense because it would use local if it could and revert to cloud without wifi. Since this was all in HA I just ended up doing the automation there, so now from 5-9 AM when not one but both phones have been unplugged the shade rolls up. It works VERY WELL... and my new current favorite automation! Now that I have the phone charging state in HA, today I'm setting it up to update my temporarily abandoned ISY State variables, so that I can eliminate having to push a KPL button to initiate the goodnight routine in the ISY, instead Goodnight will become 2 phases, the first will run when the first phone is connected to the charger, the second will run when the second phone connects to the charger.
Techman Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 Which Polisy port(s) will support the serial PLM. If its only the DB9 port will a cable be available?
Michel Kohanim Posted October 20, 2021 Author Posted October 20, 2021 @MrBill, That's pretty amazing. Now, you can create a node server for Polisy and ConBee. Are you up for it? @Techman, You can either one of the USB ports (for 2413U) or the DB9 (for 2413S). With kind regards, Michel
MrBill Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 21 minutes ago, Michel Kohanim said: That's pretty amazing. Now, you can create a node server for Polisy and ConBee. Are you up for it? I'd love to, but being honest it's probably over my head. While I've been successful with the Lua langauge in the past, and its data structure is not unlike python's data structures, I seem to have a block with some of python's concepts... it might be age. As you know I had a goal of creating two nodeservers and even purchased hardware for dev purposes, of the two potential nodeservers, one is a re-write of any early goose66 nodeserver for Pentair Screenlogic, that one works but I'm not comfortable actually releasing it via the store. The other one I failed entirely on because I could never figure out the google sheets python library. (my need or demand for that one also went down because the Universal Devices HA integration allows me to get the logging that I was trying to create with the 2nd nodeserver and google sheets. So while I'd love to create a nodeserver and become famous for it ? it's probably realistically not going to happen.
jfai Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 22 hours ago, larryllix said: Most higher level languages don't make the coder care about machine specific idiosyncrazies. (pundle intentional) Actually, if you're exchanging binary data, there's nothing any higher-level language compiler can do to help you with the endian conversion...
larryllix Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, jfai said: Actually, if you're exchanging binary data, there's nothing any higher-level language compiler can do to help you with the endian conversion... I doubt they would be exchanging any binary data at the ISY language levels, python3 levels, C, or 99% of all languages today. Even the backups are all using variable values represented by normal text representation of the numerical value. Coders using languages, except for the lowest levels, don't care about how binary data is stored or the internal register structures of CPUs. If they do the language is operating at a very low level machine code style.
jfai Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 Today is not the day I've set aside time for arguments with my ISY friends. Suffice to say that byte-order has to be considered whenever data is serialized to an external transport, like a file or network socket. It is always best to use one of the standard network byte-orders when writing and reading. But you have to choose a byte order on the transport medium and stick to it. There are tons of discussions about this subject, e.g., When does Endianness become a factor? 1
asbril Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 31 minutes ago, jfai said: Today is not the day I've set aside time for arguments with my ISY friends. Please let @Teken and @lilyoyo1 know of your availability ? 2
Techman Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Michel Kohanim said: @MrBill, That's pretty amazing. Now, you can create a node server for Polisy and ConBee. Are you up for it? @Techman, You can either one of the USB ports (for 2413U) or the DB9 (for 2413S). With kind regards, Michel Is there a cable or adapter available from the DB9 to the RJ45 on the 2413S PLM or do we have to make one? Will this one work? https://www.amazon.com/COOSO-Serial-Female-Ethernet-Console/dp/B01MCVC81A/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=db9%2Bto%2Brj45%2Bcable&qid=1634759651&qsid=142-1930662-3771527&s=electronics&sr=1-4&sres=B07R9JV9X3%2CB01MCVC81A%2CB08V539JMQ%2CB07DCPVLBC%2CB01MF9F7HF%2CB00006IRQA%2CB01AFNBC3K%2CB0811RHPLJ%2CB08JLYLG9S%2CB001S2PYVY%2CB07PDTJDLJ%2CB00HUZ6OMQ%2CB01N91YKVF%2CB00TWIOGVA%2CB07R5D174V%2CB00SWPR4VI%2CB075V1RGQK%2CB0753HBT12%2CB0774JV2QQ%2CB07MYQPYKR&srpt=ELECTRONIC_CABLE&th=1
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