lilyoyo1 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, brians said: Got my Zooz ZEN71 and it is way better than the Jasco. The response when physically turning on/off the ZEN71 is nearly instant to the ISY - similar to Insteon. I added to a scene and perform nearly as fast. Stay away from the Jasco brand switches. Thats not a fair test since you're comparing a 700 series device to a 500 series device. Its going to be much faster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brians Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Just now, lilyoyo1 said: Thats not a fair test since you're comparing a 700 series device to a 500 series device. Its going to be much faster My old Leviton Z-Wave plus (500 series) switch that doesn't do instant status kills the Jasco even with overhead of a hail/query. The Jasco dimmer switch also is just as fast as this Zen71 and it is 500 series... if you look at my previous testing I go over this. I also have a Zooz Zen15 which status updates instantly when manual pressing the button and it is 500 series. Having said all that, I would not expect 700 vs 500 to be 2-3 seconds faster anyways, and 700 from what I read is just more security and distance. It is problem with this model of Jasco switch with slow status updates that I have and I would like someone else to test if they also have these Jasco switches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilyoyo1 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, brians said: My old Leviton Z-Wave plus (500 series) switch that doesn't do instant status kills the Jasco even with overhead of a hail/query. The Jasco dimmer switch also is just as fast as this Zen71 and it is 500 series... if you look at my previous testing I go over this. I also have a Zooz Zen15 which status updates instantly when manual pressing the button and it is 500 series. Having said all that, I would not expect 700 vs 500 to be 2-3 seconds faster anyways, and 700 from what I read is just more security and distance. It is problem with this model of Jasco switch with slow status updates that I have and I would like someone else to test if they also have these Jasco switches. They are all using the same chip (500 series) so im surprised the results between the dimmer and Switch are so different. It could be something within that particular firmware. 700 series processors are faster than 500 series, in addition to the extended range, greater memory capacity, and greater battery life. A better comparison would be to do the same test with the 994 to see how big of a difference you get since 1 test is using 700 with 700 devices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterathans Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 I am starting to use some Zooz products and emailed their tech support about this issue (in relation to their Zen71/76 products) - maybe this will shed some light on the subject: "Z-Wave devices can be connected to each other via direct association and there are different groups depending on the device. Group 1 is where a device communicates directly with the hub, this it the main room if you will, where all of the devices meet.Other groups, like group 2 and group 3, are ways to link Z-Wave devices independently of the hub, they are like separate rooms where the hub doesn't come in but where the devices meet to exchange information directly. This allows for a quicker and more reliable communication between devices. Both the ZEN71 and the ZEN76 support direct association." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmb Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 5 hours ago, peterathans said: Other groups, like group 2 and group 3, are ways to link Z-Wave devices independently of the hub, they are like separate rooms where the hub doesn't come in but where the devices meet to exchange information directly. How do you manage the device associations with IoP? PS I found Zooz tech support pretty good. My Zooz controller pooched and they're sending another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asbril Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 21 minutes ago, mmb said: How do you manage the device associations with IoP? I have been trying to find out for several weeks, but so far nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brians Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 23 hours ago, lilyoyo1 said: They are all using the same chip (500 series) so im surprised the results between the dimmer and Switch are so different. It could be something within that particular firmware. 700 series processors are faster than 500 series, in addition to the extended range, greater memory capacity, and greater battery life. A better comparison would be to do the same test with the 994 to see how big of a difference you get since 1 test is using 700 with 700 devices. I made small error in my last post and called it a dimmer switch when I meant it was a motion switch that was faster updating. Anyways I did test the Zen71 on my ISY994i with a series 500 board and the performance is no different than my Polisy with Zooz S2 USB stick - meaning the ISY994i receives the on/off status nearly instant. Back with testing on the Polisy... I did notice however that if I added the Zen71 to a scene, a couple Insteon switchlinc for example, and quickly turn on/off the Zen71 the IoP would get a bit confused and start getting communication errors in administrative console and the switch would become unresponsive for a bit while it caught up. Now I don't think people would normally turn on/off a switch this way but thought would mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brians Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 hours ago, asbril said: I have been trying to find out for several weeks, but so far nothing. You mean the Z-Wave Association and Z-Wave scene dropdown which nobody has seen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asbril Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 7 hours ago, brians said: You mean the Z-Wave Association and Z-Wave scene dropdown which nobody has seen? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzboray Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 I recently picked up a couple of z-wave devices for testing; a Zooz32 and an Aeotec Smart Switch 7. The Zooz32 manual says it supports Associations: But I can't find any way to access them from IoP. I suspect that the Z-wave specification for "Associations" is fluid and each manufacturer may put their own spin on exactly how it works making interoperability rare. Or it's possible there is still some work that can be done with z-wave functionality on IoP. But at this point I feel that "Associations" are the mythical unicorn. This is all my opinion and I have no official knowledge of any of what I said. It's just based upon my personal experience and others comments about their experiences with z-wave. Your results may vary. I miss the days of plug and play with Insteon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brians Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 I looked it up and other hubs like smartthings, hubitat , Vera etc. appear to do direct associations. Seems to work similar to Insteon scenes where the controller is not needed after an association is setup. I hope UD works on this and is on their roadmap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upstatemike Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 39 minutes ago, brians said: I looked it up and other hubs like smartthings, hubitat , Vera etc. appear to do direct associations. Seems to work similar to Insteon scenes where the controller is not needed after an association is setup. I hope UD works on this and is on their roadmap. Direct association only works between two devices that are in range of each other to talk directly. The feature that you need to replicate Insteon functionality is "Assigned Association" which allows communication between two devices to be routed through the Z-Wave mesh without needing to be in direct range of each other and without needing to pass through a controller. Do Smartthings and Hubitat support that configuration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brians Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 4 hours ago, upstatemike said: Direct association only works between two devices that are in range of each other to talk directly. The feature that you need to replicate Insteon functionality is "Assigned Association" which allows communication between two devices to be routed through the Z-Wave mesh without needing to be in direct range of each other and without needing to pass through a controller. Do Smartthings and Hubitat support that configuration? I was meaning at a higher level where controller is not required like Insteon, but it is nice to know that there are different types of associations and the assigned association seems more like Insteon in the aspect that it allows indirect communication. I just initially searched what these associations were, because of this discussion of Z-Wave scenes in ISY, and found out a bit more how they work and that other hubs seem to support. I am more interested in IoP supporting this as I have no desire to use ST or Hubitat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilyoyo1 Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 1 hour ago, brians said: I was meaning at a higher level where controller is not required like Insteon, but it is nice to know that there are different types of associations and the assigned association seems more like Insteon in the aspect that it allows indirect communication. I just initially searched what these associations were, because of this discussion of Z-Wave scenes in ISY, and found out a bit more how they work and that other hubs seem to support. I am more interested in IoP supporting this as I have no desire to use ST or Hubitat. The only thing similar to direct association with insteon is you don't need a controller. In practice however DA is very limited compared to insteon. Personally, while it may be faster to turn on other lights with DA, you give up to much programmatically in practice to make it worthwhile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 @kzboray, Association can only be found if devices are inside a scene. One is called Z-Wave Association and the other Z-Wave Scene. Once inside the scene, click on the controller and see whether or not you see Association or Scene (in addition to Default and Command). With kind regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzboray Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 @Michel Kohanim Always great to hear form you Michel! I know you guys are busy so I didn't want to bug you with this, but from what I've found, either the z-wave devices specifying support for "Association" are not, or possibly something isn't quit right in IoP. Here's the screen shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oberkc Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Michel Kohanim said: Association can only be found if devices are inside a scene. One is called Z-Wave Association and the other Z-Wave Scene. Once inside the scene, click on the controller and see whether or not you see Association or Scene (in addition to Default and Command My experience is just like that of kzboray: I have a limited number of z-wave devices, but I have experimented with several of them trying to create a scene in which the "association" or "z-wave" option was available. The ONLY link type options I have seen with z-wave devices within a scene are "command", "default", or "ignore". I have tried creating temporary scenes with only two zwave devices. For those scenes, I have tried the "basic" scene nodes, the "basic scene Ctl 2" nodes, "basic scene Ctl 3" nodes, and the nodes created from the ISY menu "add button press node". I have tried various combinations of those types of nodes from two z-wave devices and still have not seen anything other than "command", "default", or "ignore" link types. The devices I have used for these experiments are from GE (Jasco, I guess) and Leviton. All z-wave devices used here have been either a switch or an outlet. I asked at each opportunity: has anyone seen a "z-wave" link type within an ISY scene and, if so, what brand z-wave devices are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asbril Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 34 minutes ago, oberkc said: My experience is just like that of kzboray: I have a limited number of z-wave devices, but I have experimented with several of them trying to create a scene in which the "association" or "z-wave" option was available. The ONLY link type options I have seen with z-wave devices within a scene are "command", "default", or "ignore". I have tried creating temporary scenes with only two zwave devices. For those scenes, I have tried the "basic" scene nodes, the "basic scene Ctl 2" nodes, "basic scene Ctl 3" nodes, and the nodes created from the ISY menu "add button press node". I have tried various combinations of those types of nodes from two z-wave devices and still have not seen anything other than "command", "default", or "ignore" link types. The devices I have used for these experiments are from GE (Jasco, I guess) and Leviton. All z-wave devices used here have been either a switch or an outlet. I asked at each opportunity: has anyone seen a "z-wave" link type within an ISY scene and, if so, what brand z-wave devices are you using? I have some 80 Zwave devices, including GE/Jasco, Homeseer, Zooz and Inovelli, and in Scenes I can only find, like you, Command, default and ignore. However when I right click (in AC) and go in the Zwave details I can see that Association is part of the device. so Association does indeed exist...... somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oberkc Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 8 hours ago, asbril said: However when I right click (in AC) and go in the Zwave details I can see that Association is part of the device. so Association does indeed exist...... somewhere. I cannot even find an instance of this on any from the sample of zwave devices I just checked. I am on software 5.3.2. Not sure if this matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 @kzboray, thank you for the details. All, those who think a device should support scene/associations, please save the contents of the Z-Wave Information in Event Viewer and paste here. With kind regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oberkc Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Michel Kohanim said: All, those who think a device should support scene/associations, please save the contents of the Z-Wave Information in Event Viewer and paste here. Here is one of my devices, I believe it to be a GE switch. I could not get all the info into a single screen shot. The second pair pictures are from a Leviton switch. I have tried experimenting with combinations of nodes from these types of switches to create a scene that was a z-wave association. I have never succeeded. The current scenes in which these two are included are NOT the results of my experiments and also include Insteon devices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asbril Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Michel Kohanim said: @kzboray, thank you for the details. All, those who think a device should support scene/associations, please save the contents of the Z-Wave Information in Event Viewer and paste here. With kind regards, Michel Hey Michel Here it is. I see "Association" in several places, but maybe the word "Association" has different meanings. I also add a picture of the same device (ZW 200) in a scene : ] ---------------------------------------------- Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] 16. MBR Fan-Light Remote Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] ZW200_1 uid=200 security=None type=4.16.0 mid=634 tid=28672 pid=40968 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Association Group ID 1 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x5E V2 ZWAVEPLUS_INFO Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x25 V2 SWITCH_BINARY Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x70 V4 CONFIGURATION Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x20 V2 BASIC Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x5B V3 CENTRAL_SCENE Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x85 V3 ASSOCIATION Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x8E V4 MULTI_CHANNEL_ASSOCIATION Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x59 V3 ASSOCIATION_GROUP_INFO Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x55 V2 TRANSPORT_SERVICE Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x86 V3 VERSION Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x72 V2 MANUFACTURER_SPECIFIC Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x5A V1 DEVICE_RESET_LOCALLY Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x73 V1 POWERLEVEL Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x87 V3 INDICATOR Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x9F V1 SECURITY_2 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x6C V1 SUPERVISION Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x7A V5 FIRMWARE_UPDATE_MD Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Secure Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:15 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Last working route from ISY to Node 200 - 16. MBR Fan-Light Remote Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Node 197 - 14. MBR Closet Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Node 200 - 16. MBR Fan-Light Remote has the following neighbors Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 6 - 12. MBR Sheer Curtains Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 13 - 3. Back Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 39 - 20. MBR Ceiling Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 52 - ZW052_1 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 55 - 3. North Balcony NW Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 58 - 17. MBR Fan Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 106 - 4. Toilet Light Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 115 - 2. Hallway Ceiling Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 132 - 11. MBR Brown Curtains Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 149 - 15. MBR Sconces Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 158 - 19. MBR Desk Lamp Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 197 - 14. MBR Closet Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 201 - 3. Hallway Niches Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 203 - 25. MBR Air sanitizer Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 207 - 13. MBR Entrance Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 210 - 1. Front Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 211 - ZW 211 Binary Switch Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 213 - Lobby Sensor Battery Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 214 - Spare 214 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 215 - 21. MBR Reading Seno Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:16 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Node 200 - 16. MBR Fan-Light Remote has 11 association groups Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:17 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Associations for group 001 of ZW200_1 16. MBR Fan-Light Remote Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:17 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Max Associations = 1 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:17 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Node 1 - [This ISY] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:17 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:17 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Associations for group 002 of ZW200_252N002 ZW 200 Basic Scene Ctl 2 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:17 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Max Associations = 5 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:17 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Node 1 - [This ISY] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:17 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:18 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Associations for group 003 of ZW200_201N003 13d. MBR Remote Fan Light Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:18 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Max Associations = 5 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:18 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Node 1 - [This ISY] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:18 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:18 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Associations for group 004 of ZW200_252N004 ZW 200 Basic Scene Ctl 4 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:18 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Max Associations = 5 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:18 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Node 1 - [This ISY] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:18 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:19 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Associations for group 005 of ZW200_201N005 ZW 200 Scene Button 5 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:19 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Max Associations = 5 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:19 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Node 1 - [This ISY] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:19 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:19 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Associations for group 006 of ZW200_252N006 ZW 200 Basic Scene Ctl 6 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:19 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Max Associations = 5 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:19 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Node 1 - [This ISY] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:19 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:20 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Associations for group 007 of ZW200_1 16. MBR Fan-Light Remote Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:20 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Max Associations = 5 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:20 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Node 1 - [This ISY] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:20 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:20 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Associations for group 008 of ZW200_252N008 ZW 200 Basic Scene Ctl 8 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:20 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Max Associations = 5 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:20 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Node 1 - [This ISY] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:20 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:20 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Associations for group 009 of ZW200_201 ZW 200 Scene Button 9 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:20 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Max Associations = 5 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:20 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Node 1 - [This ISY] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:20 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:21 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Associations for group 010 of ZW200_252N010 ZW 200 Basic Scene Ctl 10 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:21 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Max Associations = 5 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:21 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Node 1 - [This ISY] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:21 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:21 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Associations for group 011 of ZW200_119 ZW 200 Multilevel Switch Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:21 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Max Associations = 5 Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:21 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Node 1 - [This ISY] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:21 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] Tue 03/08/2022 04:47:21 PM : [ZW-SHOW ] ---------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Thank you both. I have asked @Chris Jahn to read the reports and provide much needed details and clarity. With kind regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Jahn Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 The ISY will create one or more 'Z-Wave' entries in the link types for nodes that the ISY see's as compatible for association. This means: 1) The controller node sends either Basic Set, Binary Switch Set, or Multilevel Switch set command 2) The responder node supports the type of command the controller sends it (i.e. Basic Set, etc.) 3) Both the controller and responder are linked to the ISY at the same security level (i.e S0 security or no security) You may have to create a Basic Node (right+click node, Z-Wave | Add/Refresh Basic Node) for a device and use it as the responder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzboray Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 @Chris Jahn Thanks for the info Chris! But I'm still a little confused. I have 2 switches listed below and they do not support "Association" from IoP, or I can't figure out how to enable it with IoP. I did try the Basic Node setting as well. Aeotec Smart Switch 7 Zooz Zen32 As you can see they both support "Association" & "Multi Channel Association". They are both S2 security. That seems to meet your listed criteria, and yet I can't get them to work in a scene. Any advise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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