johnnyt Posted June 10, 2022 Posted June 10, 2022 I'm looking at getting a second Polisy to have a spare (or test unit) on hand. I've learned the hard way that hardware issues can take a while to fix (I live in Canada and every time I've had to get something from UDI, it's 2+ week of waiting/downtime). I do see how to backup/restore Polyglot (PG2 and PG3 separately) but what I'm looking for is akin to the ISY backup and restore, which will duplicate what I have on one ISY to another. Is there such a thing for Polisy? If not in web UI (I didn't find anything) Is there something I can do using SSH, e.g. copy a folder structure from one to the other?
lilyoyo1 Posted June 10, 2022 Posted June 10, 2022 2 hours ago, johnnyt said: I'm looking at getting a second Polisy to have a spare (or test unit) on hand. I've learned the hard way that hardware issues can take a while to fix (I live in Canada and every time I've had to get something from UDI, it's 2+ week of waiting/downtime). I do see how to backup/restore Polyglot (PG2 and PG3 separately) but what I'm looking for is akin to the ISY backup and restore, which will duplicate what I have on one ISY to another. Is there such a thing for Polisy? If not in web UI (I didn't find anything) Is there something I can do using SSH, e.g. copy a folder structure from one to the other? Your polisy doesn't have backup and restore options in the same place the Isy 994 has them?
johnnyt Posted June 10, 2022 Author Posted June 10, 2022 not at all. here are screenshots of Polisy and ISY menu.
lilyoyo1 Posted June 10, 2022 Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, johnnyt said: not at all. here are screenshots of Polisy and ISY menu. ?. You don't see backup and restore in your screen shot Edited June 10, 2022 by lilyoyo1
johnnyt Posted June 10, 2022 Author Posted June 10, 2022 not on the Polisy UI (black screen). where do you see it? I'm not running IoP here - the screenshot with the backup option highlighted in the menu is of my ISY 994i.
brians Posted June 10, 2022 Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) @johnnyt It is in the same Administrative Console in IoP. You are comparing Polyglot web page to the Java ISY/IoP administrative console. Is what you are asking is a way to backup the PG2/PG3 portion of the Polisy other than the IoP portion? Here it is... but you already say you found that so not sure what you are asking. Here is in my IoP, exact same as ISY994i Edited June 10, 2022 by brians
bpwwer Posted June 10, 2022 Posted June 10, 2022 Keep in mind that for PG3, the node server license is tied to the hardware. If you try to restore to new hardware, you won't be able to run any of the non-free node servers.
johnnyt Posted June 10, 2022 Author Posted June 10, 2022 32 minutes ago, bpwwer said: Keep in mind that for PG3, the node server license is tied to the hardware. If you try to restore to new hardware, you won't be able to run any of the non-free node servers. ok this cliches it. Clearly it isn't possible to do the equivalent of taking an image of one Polisy (the whole thing, including settings, config, PG2, PG3, IoP, etc.) and restoring it onto another Polisy in one step (again everything at once, not just IoP, PG2, and PG3 all independently, which I do know how to do) Thanks.
johnnyt Posted June 14, 2022 Author Posted June 14, 2022 On 6/10/2022 at 4:05 PM, bpwwer said: Keep in mind that for PG3, the node server license is tied to the hardware. If you try to restore to new hardware, you won't be able to run any of the non-free node servers. if I buy/install a PG3 NS on my ISY994i then make the move to IoP a couple months from now, will I need to buy the NS again to link it to my IoP or will I be able to transfer the license over?
Geddy Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, johnnyt said: will I need to buy the NS again to link it to my IoP or will I be able to transfer the license over? The Node Server is licensed per Polisy. It can support both ISY994 and IoP options. So no, you would not need to buy the node server again just to convert from ISY994 to IoP. It's just simply changing the setup in the PG3 to point to the IoP. Above @bpwwer mentioned the license being tide to the hardware. His warning is to your initial comment of having 2 Polisy. You wouldn't be able to sub in the backup/spare device and restore backup of purchased node servers. That's when you would need to buy them again.
johnnyt Posted June 14, 2022 Author Posted June 14, 2022 40 minutes ago, Geddy said: The Node Server is licensed per Polisy. It can support both ISY994 and IoP options. So no, you would not need to buy the node server again just to convert from ISY994 to IoP. It's just simply changing the setup in the PG3 to point to the IoP. Above @bpwwer mentioned the license being tide to the hardware. His warning is to your initial comment of having 2 Polisy. You wouldn't be able to sub in the backup/spare device and restore backup of purchased node servers. That's when you would need to buy them again. So if I go explore a PG3 store it links the purchase to the un-configured IoP instance I'm not yet using. This might be because I haven't linked the ISY994i yet (actually I de-linked it so it's not talking to my ISY994i until I need it to.) I can add the ISY994i and link to that, but this display nuance suggests I'm getting a license for a particular ISY instance So can you/someone please confirm I can just change the ISY instance I point to later, e.g. move license from 994i to IoP?
johnnyt Posted June 14, 2022 Author Posted June 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, tlightne said: PG3 will only run on Polisy not on 994i.. My question is not about where PG3 is running. it's about what ISY instance it's pointing to.
bpwwer Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 @johnnytYes, confirmed. PG3 supports installing the same node server multiple times and to multiple ISY's. Once you have purchased a license, it is tied the Polisy PG3 is running on. You can then install that node server as many times as you want, on to any ISY that that PG3 is connected to. You could potentially delete PG3 and all it's configuration from the Polisy, re-install it and the license will still be valid. What you can't do, is use that license on a different Polisy (hardware box). The reason the "Target ISY" is shown in the screen shot above is because that dialog box is used for both the purchase and install and when you install, you do so to a specific ISY. 1
brians Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, bpwwer said: @johnnytYes, confirmed. PG3 supports installing the same node server multiple times and to multiple ISY's. Once you have purchased a license, it is tied the Polisy PG3 is running on. You can then install that node server as many times as you want, on to any ISY that that PG3 is connected to. You could potentially delete PG3 and all it's configuration from the Polisy, re-install it and the license will still be valid. What you can't do, is use that license on a different Polisy (hardware box). The reason the "Target ISY" is shown in the screen shot above is because that dialog box is used for both the purchase and install and when you install, you do so to a specific ISY. I hope there is a way to transfer the node servers to a new Polisy in case of hardware failure/replacement, or if a new version of Polisy comes out in future and replaced existing one. Edited June 14, 2022 by brians
MrBill Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 @Michel Kohanim Do I understand this correctly? That no one will be able to replace faulty hardware without re-buying the node servers they use? 2 hours ago, bpwwer said: @johnnytYes, confirmed. PG3 supports installing the same node server multiple times and to multiple ISY's. Once you have purchased a license, it is tied the Polisy PG3 is running on. You can then install that node server as many times as you want, on to any ISY that that PG3 is connected to. You could potentially delete PG3 and all it's configuration from the Polisy, re-install it and the license will still be valid. What you can't do, is use that license on a different Polisy (hardware box). The reason the "Target ISY" is shown in the screen shot above is because that dialog box is used for both the purchase and install and when you install, you do so to a specific ISY. 1
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