Geddy Posted November 16, 2022 Posted November 16, 2022 On 11/16/2022 at 10:32 PM, sdynak said: Signed up to get notified Expand Same. I only have 1 and need another one for me and a couple for my father-in-law (who really puts out the holiday lights!). 1
xlurkr Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 btw, holiday lights are one place where Insteon (or even X10!) shines (pardon the pun). Plug in the modules, enable the programs you disabled in January, and away you go! No network to heal. Bliss. Unless you have powerline noise. Oh, and LED holiday lights never go entirely off. You need a dummy load. And... Anyway, Insteon rules. Again. -Tom 4
kclenden Posted November 22, 2022 Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) I see that aartech.ca now has some Insteon products in stock (switches, 6-button keypad, hub). Looks like Canada gets to rejoin the party. 😄 Edited November 22, 2022 by kclenden 4
MrBill Posted November 23, 2022 Author Posted November 23, 2022 On 11/22/2022 at 10:42 PM, kclenden said: I see that aartech.ca now has some Insteon products in stock (switches, 6-button keypad, hub). Looks like Canada gets to rejoin the party. 😄 Expand Paging @larryllix 1
larryllix Posted November 23, 2022 Posted November 23, 2022 On 11/23/2022 at 3:07 PM, MrBill said: Paging @larryllix Expand ...and UD has made some arrangements there also. I see none of it on the aartech.ca website yet but I am sure it will come. Likely a little too late for me as I am downsizing a lot and have boxes of things I will likely never get to use again. I have run out of receptacles. Maybe Insteon will put out a wireless receptacle?
sorka Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 Does the new on/off switchlinc work with the older switches? https://shop.insteon.com/products/on-off-switch The fact that this new one only has 2 leds for on/off worries me that it may not work correctly. All the old on/off switches still had the full led array for level since they can and are often used as remote dimmers for the switches actually carrying the loads. On 11/5/2022 at 11:48 PM, Techman said: There's really no need for the extra leds. There's only two options, on or off. I doubt they will go back. Expand That's not true. On 11/6/2022 at 11:12 AM, Brian H said: There where no extra LED's in the 2476S and I believe the 2477S also. Just the bar graph positions filled with light pipes that didn't light. I saw a Smarthome bulletin on the new face plate design and it indicated those that wanted to have the new ones match their originals. With all the LED positions. You could change the assembly to the older ones. You could purchase as an accessory assembly. As they both fit just the new ones eliminated the unused LED positions. Expand All of my existing on/off switchlincs have 9 leds. They're not just holes. It appears shipping is flat. 1 switch all the way up to 8 switches $8.78 for shipping.
Techman Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 On 11/30/2022 at 1:47 AM, sorka said: It appears shipping is flat. 1 switch all the way up to 8 switches $8.78 for shipping. Expand The newer on/off switches have only 2 leds, on and off. They install and work just like the previous release. On/off switches are not, and cannot, be used as dimmers as they use a relay and not a triac, to control the load.
sorka Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) On 11/30/2022 at 3:43 AM, Techman said: The newer on/off switches have only 2 leds, on and off. They install and work just like the previous release. On/off switches are not, and cannot, be used as dimmers as they use a relay and not a triac, to control the load. Expand Did you actually read my post? Apparently whomever decided to nuke the other 7 leds didn't realize that the on/off switches can be be used as REMOTE dimmers. Edited November 30, 2022 by sorka
larryllix Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 On 11/30/2022 at 4:08 AM, sorka said: Did you actually read my post? Apparently whomever decided to nuke the other 7 leds didn't realize that the on/off switches can be be used as REMOTE dimmers. Expand They can be used to control dimmers but are not dimmers themselves and therefore have no usage for more LEDs to indicate levels. IOW: They can send the dimmer signals but cannot receive them. 1
Brian H Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 None of my 2476S SwitchLinc module have all the LED positions installed. Only the On and Off LED are there. So even if it could be used to control a dimmer. There are no LED positions to show where the switch set another module, just empty holes with the light pipe in it. The FCC Database photos of the 2477S modules. Also only show the On and Off LED installed. So if anyone has all LED's in a switch module. It must have only been in certain revisions. The old company did indicate you could buy a cover with all the positions so they matched the one you where using now.
Techman Posted December 6, 2022 Posted December 6, 2022 The Plug-in on/off module and the plug-in dimmer modules are now in stock at Insteon.com. $54.95 each plus tax and shipping 2
vbPhil Posted December 6, 2022 Posted December 6, 2022 On 12/6/2022 at 11:43 PM, Techman said: The Plug-in on/off module and the plug-in dimmer modules are now in stock at Insteon.com. $54.95 each plus tax and shipping Expand Expensive!
Techman Posted December 7, 2022 Posted December 7, 2022 On 12/6/2022 at 11:49 PM, vbphil said: Expensive! Expand Inflation + tariffs = $$$$ 1
asbril Posted December 7, 2022 Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) On 12/7/2022 at 12:19 AM, Techman said: Inflation + tariffs = $$$$ Expand and no competion (as there is with Zwave). Just one Insteon provider....... Edited December 7, 2022 by asbril 1 1
upstatemike Posted December 7, 2022 Posted December 7, 2022 On 12/7/2022 at 12:34 AM, asbril said: and no competion (as there is with Zwave). Just one Insteon provider....... Expand Who else makes Z-Wave chips besides Silicon Labs?
asbril Posted December 7, 2022 Posted December 7, 2022 On 12/7/2022 at 3:51 AM, upstatemike said: Who else makes Z-Wave chips besides Silicon Labs? Expand True about the chips, but there is real competition with the devices and that keeps the prices down. I am sure that if Insteon would have allowed others to manufacture PLMs, switches, etc, the usage of Insteon would have way more widespread. And I believe that UD was considering making its own PLM. Quality of a product does not always make it a winner. 1
matapan Posted December 7, 2022 Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) On 12/7/2022 at 4:15 AM, asbril said: True about the chips, but there is real competition with the devices and that keeps the prices down. I am sure that if Insteon would have allowed others to manufacture PLMs, switches, etc, the usage of Insteon would have way more widespread. And I believe that UD was considering making its own PLM. Quality of a product does not always make it a winner. Expand But a poor quality product virtually guarantees a loser, unless you can overlook the negative quality and tolerate it. Edited December 7, 2022 by matapan
lilyoyo1 Posted December 7, 2022 Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) On 12/7/2022 at 4:15 AM, asbril said: True about the chips, but there is real competition with the devices and that keeps the prices down. I am sure that if Insteon would have allowed others to manufacture PLMs, switches, etc, the usage of Insteon would have way more widespread. And I believe that UD was considering making its own PLM. Quality of a product does not always make it a winner. Expand Prices stay down but where's the improvements in usability. Just a bunch of people making the same devices that do the same things. The more expensive zwave devices usually have additional benefits and costs more and are equal to insteon in price...if not more (see fibaro, aeotec, Eaton, and homeseer) Edited December 7, 2022 by lilyoyo1 1
upstatemike Posted December 7, 2022 Posted December 7, 2022 Innovation seems to be at a standstill with Z-Wave: Still waiting for Z-Wave LR products that let you install remote devices without "building out the mesh" with useless intermediate ones just to get the signal there. LoRa uses the same frequency as Z-Wave and has no mesh building requirements. Still waiting for smooth group actions that work at the protocol/device level without a lot of controller intervention. Bonus if Z-Wave standards were actually enforced so you could have smooth group dimming and simultaneous on/off in mixed vendor switch groups. Still waiting for a Z-Wave equivalent to the Insteon keypad where buttons can act as virtual switches in multi-way switch switch situations. All Z-Wave can do now is trigger scenes and leave it to the user to somehow code that into proper multi-way control. (ugly, painful, unreliable) 2
Brian H Posted December 7, 2022 Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) On 12/7/2022 at 4:15 AM, asbril said: True about the chips, but there is real competition with the devices and that keeps the prices down. I am sure that if Insteon would have allowed others to manufacture PLMs, switches, etc, the usage of Insteon would have way more widespread. And I believe that UD was considering making its own PLM. Quality of a product does not always make it a winner. Expand Yes UDI did have a prototype PLM and then Smartlabs reneged on the promised programed controller chips. Thus killing the product completely. There where a few other manufacturers on a list we got in the developers group. To start Insteon support. They changed their minds and went other routes like ZWave. Smartlabs was always protective of their Insteon products. Too soon to comment on the new Insteon Group. Edited December 7, 2022 by Brian H Add something 3
PatPend Posted December 14, 2022 Posted December 14, 2022 On 10/7/2022 at 3:41 PM, oskrypuch said: Button labeling with a label maker using transparent film is very easy and effective. Almost indistinguishable from etched buttons, and of course easily modifiable. * Orest Expand I would try this but don't you still need clear buttons? Otherwise won't the factory lettering show through?
upstatemike Posted December 14, 2022 Posted December 14, 2022 On 12/14/2022 at 8:54 PM, PatPend said: I would try this but don't you still need clear buttons? Otherwise won't the factory lettering show through? Expand And what kind of labelmaker offers clear film labels? I have a Brother P-Touch and I don't think clear is an option.
sjenkins Posted December 14, 2022 Posted December 14, 2022 On 12/14/2022 at 9:41 PM, upstatemike said: And what kind of labelmaker offers clear film labels? I have a Brother P-Touch and I don't think clear is an option. Expand My Brady labeller does.
MrBill Posted December 16, 2022 Author Posted December 16, 2022 On 12/14/2022 at 9:41 PM, upstatemike said: And what kind of labelmaker offers clear film labels? I have a Brother P-Touch and I don't think clear is an option. Expand On 12/14/2022 at 11:23 PM, MikeD said: Brother makes clear P-Touch labels. Expand I've used brother clear labels for other things. You should also check out Niimbot they are easier to customize in Size and add graphics etc.... Amazon has them but pricing all over the place. it's a chinese product with multiple importers... Clear labels are defiantly available. There are several sizes of printers, they are bluetooth, you customize your label in a phone app then print. 2
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