EISY Upgrade....What a PITA

[tibbar]

Just purchased new Eisy with ZMatter USB and Serial PLM Kit and so far it has not been good experience.

Looks like Insteon stuff migrated  Ok but Zwave is a different story.

Half of devices (20)did not migrated. No matter what I did could not get it to work.

Had to reconnect ISY and and remove those from network and re include them to Eisy.

Still had problems.. ended up redoing whole Zwave network.

It works... kind of.

Biggest problem are my Yale locks.

I had programs triggered by "control" of the lock. Some based on lock- unlock remotely and by lever.

These options are not available. ONLY "status" : locked,unlocked,jammed,unknown.

So far I consider it BAD investment(~$600 CDN)

P.S realy miss native support for ELK

 

[Techman]

Prior to migration did you update the EISY firmware?  Was your ISY Zwave dongle the 300 or 500 series?

Did you do a Zwave backup on your ISY prior to thr migration? 

Some programs that include Zwave devices may need a tweek depending on how you named your devices.

Did you exactly follow the migration instructions, as the migration should have gone smoothly.

[tibbar]

12 minutes ago, Techman said:

Prior to migration did you update the EISY firmware?  Was your ISY Zwave dongle the 300 or 500 series?

Did you do a Zwave backup on your ISY prior to thr migration? 

Some programs that include Zwave devices may need a tweek depending on how you named your devices.

Did you exactly follow the migration instructions, as the migration should have gone smoothly.

1. Yes Eisy was on v.5.8.0

2. ISY Zwave is 500 series

3. Yes did thw Zwave back up on ISY then ISY back up.

3. Devices in programs did not matter - devices did now work( could not sync-interview, they were simply not included in the network)

4.Yes I followed the instructions

5. Redid the Zwave network and my Yale locks (YRD 120 and YRD 220) do not have control option in programs-this was sometimes present on ISY depending on firmware.

 

[DennisC]

2 hours ago, tibbar said:

P.S realy miss native support for ELK

Native Elk support is now provided by the Elk Plugin, formerly Node Server.

https://github.com/UniversalDevicesInc-PG3/udi-poly-ELK/blob/master/README.md

 

[tibbar]

8 minutes ago, DennisC said:

Native Elk support is now provided by the Elk Plugin, formerly Node Server.

https://github.com/UniversalDevicesInc-PG3/udi-poly-ELK/blob/master/README.md

 

Sorry No it is not native, it is through plugin and it is $30.

[tibbar]

Well.... It is not getting any better.

Added few more Zwave devices, did the "Restart IoX" and noticed that it failed to Query a lot of them.

Doing "Heal Network" and I can see in "Event Viewer" that it fails to update neighbours on ALL of the devices(it skips door locks - understandable battery devices).

What is going on?

[DennisC]

9 hours ago, tibbar said:

Sorry No it is not native, it is through plugin and it is $30.

 

With the new commitment by UD to enhance the ability of their system to include many different devices for our automation efforts, Plugins are now considered "native".

While developed by individuals, they are supported by UD and UD adds enhancements to the Polyglot platform to allow developers to add new features.

There is no way for a small company like UD to offer support for so many different manufacturers devices on their own.

This was the format UD laid out a number of years ago and then proceeded to carry it out.

As for the cost of $30, the old Elk Module also had a cost before you could add it to your system.

The only difference is the Elk Plugin is actively being developed with new features added as the need arises.

[tibbar]

1 hour ago, DennisC said:

 

With the new commitment by UD to enhance the ability of their system to include many different devices for our automation efforts, Plugins are now considered "native".

While developed by individuals, they are supported by UD and UD adds enhancements to the Polyglot platform to allow developers to add new features.

There is no way for a small company like UD to offer support for so many different manufacturers devices on their own.

This was the format UD laid out a number of years ago and then proceeded to carry it out.

As for the cost of $30, the old Elk Module also had a cost before you could add it to your system.

The only difference is the Elk Plugin is actively being developed with new features added as the need arises.

Ok. Fair enough. I guess I forgot I had to pay originally to enable Elk on ISY, it has been long time ego. :). I just have to learn how to use it.

[DennisC]

7 minutes ago, tibbar said:

I just have to learn how to use it.

This may help:

Follow the link I posted above and then scroll down to Using the Node server. There are several examples there that will help.

Also, if you are not using UD Mobile yet, take a look at it. It is free and works great with Elk Plugin and all of the other Plugins.

[tibbar]

Thanks @DennisC. I do use UD Mobile and it is great.

Going back to controlling Yale lock, this is still PITA.

 

[hart2hart]

Open a support ticket with UD.

[dbwarner5]

6 hours ago, tibbar said:

Thanks @DennisC. I do use UD Mobile and it is great.

Going back to controlling Yale lock, this is still PITA.

 

See screen shots.. do you have these options for your Yale locks? Control is accessed differently in the new system vs old. 

 

 

[tibbar]

Thank You very much @dbwarner5. This made my day. Never even thought about looking there. It is time to upgrade the locks anyway but I'm holding off for Zwave 700 or Matter.

Now at least I have same functionality as I had on ISY.

Edited April 21 by tibbar