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Yes Mobilinc was sorta magical back in the day when I first wrestled with the buttons not being in sync when I turned a light on/off... yet Mobilinc seemed to operate like one would think... I think I asked this question and the dev told me that it was handled internally by Mobilinc. I personally don't use scenes that much for day to day control and 99.9% am controlling the light itself.

You wouldn't be checking the status of the scene, but rather the individual lights which happen to be in that scene.. this all seems a bit redundant I know but is only way to do I believe. I think my Zen32 is out for delivery

Yes just go into summary view and select them, and right click and disable or enable.

Oh sorry, all I want to do is display number of lights on in UD Mobile from a variable like a dashboard. Nothing really critical for now it’s just cosmetic. I noticed that HA seems to be able to do this. I have programs that do this for five lights so far. I was thinking of adding up each room/folder's lights on so I have those individual values, and then taking sum of each of those. =================================================================================== Count Lights - [ID 00C3][Parent 0072] Folder Conditions for 'Count Lights' If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Allow the programs in this folder to run. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Count 000 - [ID 00C4][Parent 00C3] If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then $Num_Lights_On = 0 Run Program 'Count 001' (If) Else Run Program 'Count 001' (If) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Count 001 - [ID 00C2][Parent 00C3][Not Enabled] If 'Backyard / Deck' Status is not Off Then $Num_Lights_On += 1 Run Program 'Count 002' (If) Else Run Program 'Count 002' (If) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Count 002 - [ID 00C5][Parent 00C3][Not Enabled] If 'Backyard / Outside Back Door' Status is not Off Then $Num_Lights_On += 1 Run Program 'Count 003' (If) Else Run Program 'Count 003' (If) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Count 003 - [ID 00C6][Parent 00C3][Not Enabled] If 'Dining Room / Dining Room Ceiling' Status is not Off Then $Num_Lights_On += 1 Run Program 'Count 004' (If) Else Run Program 'Count 004' (If) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Count 004 - [ID 00C7][Parent 00C3][Not Enabled] If 'Dining Room / Dining Room Lamp' Status is not Off Then $Num_Lights_On += 1 Run Program 'Count 005' (If) Else Run Program 'Count 005' (If) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Count 005 - [ID 00C8][Parent 00C3][Not Enabled] If 'Downstairs / Stairs' Status is not Off Then $Num_Lights_On += 1 Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

Actually that is sorta good news considering the zen32 limitations. Could just write four programs that toggle the led, and make sure you set that parameter so doesn’t flash leds when doing parameter updates. Would be a slight delay but leds would stay in sync. I do this with Insteon keypadlincs also to sync their state and works fine.

Is there an easy way to do this other than making a program for each light the increments a variable and runs the next program etc. etc. ? So far I have done 5 lights as a test and works but wondering if there is a better/easier way I am missing.

I just ordered a Zen32 and a Zen51 so I can test. I have a different eventual use for Zen51 which is to monitor an AC pump.

Can you confirm that the first three devices you got to complete interview are now working and functional. I own the GE Jacsco 26931 switch also and confirm motion nodes are not updating.

OK, and if scenes don't work out it is easy to do with program instead, or scenes do still turn on/off and LEDs are out of sync could just make a program to sync them (see end of this). I don't have a Zen32, but here is an example concept I just quickly did that does this with with two programs... whenever a motion sensor is triggered in my hallway it toggles the family room light on/off. Just make sure the program that does the toggle is disabled otherwise it will run/loop continuously because it self-triggers. You could apply this idea easily to a button press on Zen32 instead of my motion sensor example, and can do other specific things and run more programs if controlling more lights. You could also set parameters to keep LEDs in sync, but if more than one light controlled would recommend making LED sync a separate program for each button which if ORs the state of all the lights and sets LED on/off as needed eg. pseudo code: if light1 is on OR light2 is on or light3 is on then turn on LED, else turn off LED. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check Switch - [ID 00C0][Parent 0072] If 'Alarm Panel / Zone 03 - Hall Motion' Zone State is Open Then Run Program 'Toggle Light' (If) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Toggle Light - [ID 00C1][Parent 0072][Not Enabled] If 'Family Room / Family Room Ceiling' Status is Off Then Set 'Family Room / Family Room Ceiling' On Else Set 'Family Room / Family Room Ceiling' Off The benefit of basic set is the switch will still be controlled if the IoX controller is offline which could be important, I think some codes require a dedicated light control for each room (but sorta grey area for DIYers ) If just accessory lights no big deal... also IoX is pretty stable and my Polisy is very stable and never goes offline. But I don't think I would want the main light in a room reliant on a controller however.

Presuming you have button one controlling a relay with basic assoc... When you press button one on Zen32 with direct scene assoc which turns a relay on. Then you turn said relay off not using the button but instead using AC. What happens when you press button one again on Zen32? Does the Zen32 believe it's still on and tries to turn it off again, and required a second button press to actually turn on? In other words, I wonder if Zen32 has an internal state that keeps track of the buttons being on or off?!? For dimming yes it appears ZMatter is missing the Basic Assoc Nodes eg. button one would be Group 5 etc.

Nice that it works. I would be curious though if the Zen32 sends an on/off based on its internal sync of what it knows the controlled switch is currently on/off, OR does it send some sort of toggle command to the ZWave switch. If you turn the relay on/off independent of the Zen32, do you then have to press the button on Zen32 twice? Also the relays look neat, Zooz has Zen51 and Zen52 but one person reported issue with Zen52 on the ZMatter unable to include.

Is there any update on this for Zen52 since latest IoX update or does it still not work?

I didn't see anything in that link how you did it, if you figured out zwave basic associations for zen32 to control other zwave devices without having to use programs then please post here.

This thread we are discussing is actually how to do Basic Associations on ZMatter and from what I read you haven't tried yet with the Zen32. I would forget the relay button for now and focus on the little buttons. Please read the first posts in this thread how I explain basic associations work in scenes to control other zwave devices, and see how it would apply to the Zen32. Afterwards, the following should make sense... The Zen32 has basic association 2,4,6,8,10 nodes that could add one for testing to a scene along with a zwave switch node, so select one to test then select its node on left, then click on the zwave switch node on right in scene, and then using the pulldown and selecting zwave basic mc. After doing this see if the switch turns on/off with the button you used to test. If that works then can try more tests to work on led sync issues etc. There may be a chance that it only turns the switch on and not off, I am curious if it toggles though.

Ok I’ll re interview and then restart ac. Just to clarify I should see one of those nodes light up when detects motion ?

What happens when you place one of the Basic Assoc nodes into the scene with another Z-Wave switch? Are you able to set the Z-Wave Basic MC option in pulldown? If so, does it turn on/off the switch? With old ZWave 500 on ISY it did not do basic associations so I had a bunch of programs and variables that would keep track of state of each switch and turn on/off the devices I wanted to, and keep LEDs in sync. I am hoping with basic assoc that part is unneeded (but still need program to sync LEDs... see below) To set colors you can do here: https://www.support.getzooz.com/kb/article/608-zen32-scene-controller-advanced-settings/ Use parameters to turn the buttons off with press by default. You would have to use additional programs that detect the state of the lights which each button controls, and turn the led on/off appropriately using the parameters. I have to do this with Insteon and keypadlincs (and even switchlincs) too if I control a light manually - ie. if I have a scene linked with a lamp as a responder/controller, if I turn the lamp on by itself from AC, a program, UD Mobile, Alexa etc. the keypadlinc does not light up, and I use a program that detectes this and keeps in sync. ie. parameter 2 is for button one... set to 2 always off when light is off, and set to 3 always on when light is on, parameter can choose the color.. or modify the program to make it red for off green on etc.

There seemed to be a bug before where the big button would report turned on in ISY when any of the other little buttons were pressed and it would trigger programs or scenes I had setup for big button everytime little one was pressed.. I would like to know if this is still the case with ZMatter.

Of course you can certainly change the led colors. I guess the zen32 is not really designed for scene control with direct associations. All the points that you bring up like leds doing out of sync are also issue using other controllers eg. Home assistant. It’s just that the zen32 is junk. Please let me know if pressing any of the little buttons makes it appear that the big button is on (it doesn’t really turn on the relay just makes it appear on) - tbis was the biggest issue I had with it before on zoos zwave dongle and wondering if it’s fixed. It’s easy to change the button colors but should start another thread since this is about basic association. I had setuo before with on off toggles controlling lights with leds in sync even from a remote light but was that big button always appear to turn on pressing other buttons issue which made me send it back.

Mine don’t seem to do this. Did you have to update interview or reinclude?

I am running a Polisy and all my node servers seem to be working, but I am not running any that both of you are: Opensprinklier Ecobee Envisalink DSC Timedata Notifications

Sounds like an issue with PG3 since these are node servers. I would check if PG3 is running correctly.

Yes it is necessary because if you reboot your EISY, all the default states of devices are in unknown state and may not operate correctly until a light/device is manually turned on or off once in AC, or queried. Query on start makes sure that IoX knows the state of all devices. I think actualy it is more for toggle buttons in things like homebridge/homekit, UD Mobile, Alexa, Google etc. that has a button to turn on/off... if it is in an unknown state you will not be able to turn on or off this way until it is queried. IoX keeps track of all states but can get messed up so that is why it runs at 3am by default to update itself. It may be an intensive operation on the network and affect performance of other programs etc so presumes you are sleeping at this time and not notice.

That is not abnormal, the node ID which is MAC address has changed so just edit that line and select Your Devices My LIghting or whatever it is called If you restored from backup it is probably still called My Lighting but I know my default Polisy it was named Polisy, and EISY I presume is EISY.. .restoring an ISY backup will change it to whatever it was My LIghting was original name for it.

Updated no issues. Release notes do not mention ZEN17, only ZEN16. Is there support for ZEN17? Preliminary testing via update with interview did not add anymore sensor nodes as expected.

I am updating now from work remotely... wish me luck Updated no issue... I lists support for Zen16 not for Zen17 but I presume they may be similar. So I set parameter on 2 and 3 to 10 (for dry contact sensor) and did an update with interview but unfortunately no new nodes appeared for sensors. I included my Zen17 with no security initially, which is a criteria for the release notes, but maybe I have to exclude/include again - will try to see if that works.