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I just fought with this on weekend after changing some things around and discovering my GE/Enbrighten/Jasco wall switches with motion sensor get its motion sensor triggered by another Z-Wave switch in the same 2-gang box (which controls a ceiling fan). I originally had a Jasco ZWave switch, and then replaced with a Zooz Zen71 and both do the same thing. I suspect some RF interference from the Z-Wave switch being too close to the motion sensor. I have two exact configurations in two separate bathrooms and both have the exact same issue so I would rule out that my GE Motion switch is defective and rather claim that it is a defect in them. Here is pic of the switches to make clearer. GE In-Wall Smart Motion Switch SKU: 26931/ZW4006 I have confirmed that it is the Motion sensor being affected and not some other type of inerference by watching the Motion Sensor Node in AC while turning on/off the other switch and see it come on about 40-50% of the time. Further troubleshooting steps by disabling the Motion sensor via Parameter 6 set to 0 confirms this and prevents the light from turning on with the fan switch, but defeats the point of having a motion light. I have a program that turns light on when entering bathroom based on motion, fan on after 15 sec, then everything off after 30 min of last motion detected. Also a scheduled program turning the fan on once an hour for 10 minutes, but it triggers the motion sensor about 50% of the time, causing the light to come on, then triggering my program. I wonder if anyone else has an issue with these GE Motion Lights? Solution was a mix of programs that temporarily disable other programs, state variable, disable motion sensor via parameters and seems to work now, but I have been there before where I think it is working on ISY and find a quirk I post my programs here, maybe there is better way to do this is result of several attempts over weekend to come up with something that works - it is a bit challenging to have the light come on/off with a fan schedule which inadvertently causes programs to run because of this Motion sensor interference. =================================================================================== Downstairs Bathroom - [ID 00DA][Parent 0001] Folder Conditions for 'Downstairs Bathroom' If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Allow the programs in this folder to run. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Downstairs Bathroom Fan On Schedule - [ID 00DB][Parent 00DA] If ( Time is 12:00:00AM Or Time is 4:00:00AM Or Time is 8:00:00AM Or Time is 12:00:00PM Or Time is 4:00:00PM Or Time is 8:00:00PM Or Time is Last Run Time for 'Downstairs Bathroom Fan On Schedule' + 1 hour ) And $Downstairs_Bathroom_Occupancy is not 1 Then Disable Program 'Downstairs Bathroom On' Set 'Downstairs Bathroom / Downstairs Bathroom Fan' On Wait 4 seconds Enable Program 'Downstairs Bathroom On' Wait 10 minutes Disable Program 'Downstairs Bathroom On' Set 'Downstairs Bathroom / Downstairs Bathroom Fan' Off Wait 4 seconds Enable Program 'Downstairs Bathroom On' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Runs fan every hour for 5 minutes Does not run if Bathroom is Occupied (set by state var in Main Bathroom On) Resets to on the hour time every 4 hours in case of restart or drift. Disables Main Bathroom On program while turning on/off fan because the motion light comes on sometimes due to false triggering interference from fan being close in same gang box. Wait times are necessary to give enough time before enabling program - based on lots of testing. Less than 4 sec is unreliable. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Downstairs Bathroom Off - [ID 00E0][Parent 00DA][Not Enabled] If 'Downstairs Bathroom / ZY 041 Motion Sensor' Status is Off Then Disable Program 'Downstairs Bathroom On' $Downstairs_Bathroom_Occupancy = 0 Set 'Downstairs Bathroom / Downstairs Bathroom Light' Set Configuration Parameter 6 = 0 Wait 4 seconds Set 'Downstairs Bathroom / Downstairs Bathroom Fan' Off Wait 4 seconds Set 'Downstairs Bathroom / Downstairs Bathroom Light' Set Configuration Parameter 6 = 1 Set 'Downstairs Bathroom / Downstairs Bathroom Light' Off Enable Program 'Downstairs Bathroom On' Else Run Program 'Downstairs Bathroom Off ' (If) Don't run until Motion Sensor is off Otherwise the parameters settings can hang it stuck on On position ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Downstairs Bathroom On - [ID 00D9][Parent 00DA] If 'Downstairs Bathroom / ZY 041 Motion Sensor' is switched On Then $Downstairs_Bathroom_Occupancy = 1 Set 'Downstairs Bathroom / Downstairs Bathroom Light' On Wait 15 seconds Set 'Downstairs Bathroom / Downstairs Bathroom Fan' On Wait 30 minutes $Downstairs_Bathroom_Occupancy = 0 Run Program 'Downstairs Bathroom Off ' (If) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Uses motion sensor to turn on light. Parameter 15 to 1 (10 seconds motion reset). Parameter 3 to 1 (Manual mode). Paraneter 13 to 1 (Motion Sensitivity High) Sets state variable to disable schedule if running. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Downstairs Bathroom Programs Disable - [ID 00DE][Parent 00DA] If 'Downstairs Bathroom / ZY 051 Scene Button 2' is switched Fade Up Then Disable Program 'Downstairs Bathroom On' Disable Program 'Downstairs Bathroom Fan On Schedule' $Downstairs_Bathroom_Occupancy = 0 Set 'Downstairs Bathroom / Downstairs Bathroom Fan' Set Configuration Parameter 14 = 3 Set 'Downstairs Bathroom / Downstairs Bathroom Fan' Set Configuration Parameter 2 = 3 Wait 2 hours Run Program 'Downstairs Bathroom Programs Enable' (Then Path) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Disables bathroom programs with long press of fan bottom paddle for 2 hours. In case want to shower or something. Turnes LED RED always ON. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Downstairs Bathroom Programs Enable - [ID 00DF][Parent 00DA] If 'Downstairs Bathroom / ZY 051 Scene Button 1' is switched Fade Up Then $Downstairs_Bathroom_Occupancy = 0 Enable Program 'Downstairs Bathroom On' Enable Program 'Downstairs Bathroom Fan On Schedule' Set 'Downstairs Bathroom / Downstairs Bathroom Fan' Set Configuration Parameter 14 = 1 Set 'Downstairs Bathroom / Downstairs Bathroom Fan' Set Configuration Parameter 2 = 0 Stop program 'Downstairs Bathroom Programs Disable' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Enables bathroom programs with long press of fan top paddle. In case want to shower or something. Sets LED to default Blue when OFF only. Stops program Disable if already running, not really necessary but makes logic more sense.

Good to hear. Did you include with S2 and key or with just S0? Regarding parameters, I had set one for Garage with Zooz dongle before with P2=7 for a door open/close sensor and the node came up named different when I included as a door with open/close instead of on/off. My garage door Zen17 is way up high and not easy to do right now.

I don't have a .3 node... go back and look at my screenshots above.

I am scared to exclude it now LOL thinking it may not come back.... gonna try though now and see... EDIT... exclude/include worked. Just have to set param10/11 to 0 to isolate inputs from relays which is normal by design. So in my case definitely needs S2 which is strange, I normally unselect all because it is easier!

Ok that is further than I got, I did not get the extra nodes. P2, P3 = 11 is for momentary garage door to isolate the inputs from outputs P2, P3 = 10 is dry contact sensor. Anything for P2, P3 4 and above should bring extra nodes re: instructions. P10 and P11 do not persist through an exclude/include only P2, P3 do. I have excluded/included about half dozen times... even updated firmware to 1.20, factory reset and no luck so far seeing any of these extra nodes. When I do an update with interview on it, I get some javascript error and ISY reboots. Here is nodes I had... I only have .1 and .2 binary switch. There should be two sensors. Please show me screenshot of yours. Now success... I had to include as S2 with PIN and then all these appear now... @Chris JahnCan you clarify if S2 is required for this or did I just get lucky one time including? Setting parameter 10,11 to 0 isolates and I tested by turning switch 1 and switch 2 on manually using AC and does not affect binary sensors... and shorting the sensor inputs with a wire turn on/off the binary sensors, without affecting the switches/relays state. Works perfect now.

Does this mean your zen34 are working now in 5.5.5? I was thinking of buying one but nobody has been successful yet.

I noticed that in 5.5.5 this now works for Jasco motion wall switches. Now I redid programs using that motion sensor instead of relying on the light itself switched on internally.

That is disappointing, that was one of the release notes to now support ZEN34. ZEN17 is in a similar situation, however at least is is functional except for extra node settings/configurations do not seem supported.

Oh I re-read your post again and I think I misunderstood what you want to do. I was thinking of toggling a switch on/off using one ON command. I left here anyways for reference. If I understand correctly... you have a scene with two or more Insteon switches. However when you control the actual switch using Alexa (or even in Admin Console etc) the way Insteon works is it does not update the other switches in the scene. This has been discussed before over the years, but what you want to do is just turn on/off the other switches in the scene based on the actual load device state (ie. the switch that controls the light)... Here is a program that keeps a remote switchlinc that is in a virtual 3-way scene in sync when I turn on/off the actual switchlinc that is the load using AC or something like Alexa. Front Hallway - [ID 0036][Parent 0033] If 'Entrance / Front Hallway' Status is On Then Set 'Entrance / Front Hallway Slave' On Else Set 'Entrance / Front Hallway Slave' Off In the case of keypadlincs, there is no way to turn them on/off directly and the workaround is they must instead be put in a scene as a responder to be able to be turned on/off. Here is another program with upstairs hallway but also has a keypadlinc button. Upstairs Hallway - [ID 004C][Parent 0033] If 'Upstairs / Upstairs Hallway' Status is On Then Set 'Upstairs / Upstairs Hallway Slave' On Set 'KPL Sync LED scenes / EC Upstairs Hallway KLD' On Else Set 'Upstairs / Upstairs Hallway Slave' Off Set 'KPL Sync LED scenes / EC Upstairs Hallway KLD' Off And the scene that controls the Keypad Linc looks like... Among tons of other scenes controlling all keypads LEDs. You can also sync dimmers using a variable too eg. Chandelier - [ID 004D][Parent 0033] If 'Entrance / Chandelier' Status >= 1% Then $Dim_Level_Temp = 'Entrance / Chandelier' Status Set 'Entrance / Chandelier Slave' On '$Dim_Level_Temp %' Else Set 'Entrance / Chandelier Slave' Off This program sets the SwitchLinc dimmer to proper dim level. Requires a temp variable to hold the status and set it. Note that if you press the actual switches, the scenes set the state of all the buttons, but these are for when you turn on/off a light using Alexa. I hope this this what you are asking.

Edit... I don't think this is what you want, but I left here just in case... see my next post for solution to what I think you are asking. You need to use two programs. Here is example where a button on Zen32 toggles a light on/off. Note my documentation.. The program that does the actual toggle needs to be disabled so it does not trigger itself. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Button1 SW - [ID 00C0][Parent 00D8] If 'Test / ZY Zen32 Scene Button 1' is switched On Then Run Program 'Button1 Toggle Light' (If) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Toggle Light on/off in program "Button1 Toggle Light" when Zen32 Button 1 is pressed. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Button1 Toggle Light - [ID 00C1][Parent 00D8][Not Enabled] If 'Computer Room / Computer Room Closet' Status is Off Then Set 'Computer Room / Computer Room Closet' On Else Set 'Computer Room / Computer Room Closet' Off Performs the actual toggle called by Button1 SW. This program needs to be disabled otherwise it will trigger itself and run endlessly in race condition.

I opened a support case with Zooz and this is what I said... Maybe if more of us here request something similar they may consider this. Thank you.

Did that window pop up or are you just looking at the menu option and wondering what it does? In my case, one older ZWave device requires this that does not display a Node status On/Off normally. It is an Everspring ST812 Flood Detector. It had a node named ZY 025 Assoc Only. What I did was in the Z-Wave Menu, detect button presses Off so doesn't pop up in AC always. On the device itself I right click the node and select as follows (I renamed the node from original name) Note that those options only show up for devices that use this method for button, will not appear in regular devices/nodes. I can then use a program using Control to check that button press, or in my case it is a leak sensor. Furnace Room Leak Detect - [ID 0056][Parent 0057] If 'Furnace Room / Leak Sensor / Furnace Room Leak Sensor' is switched Then Set 'Furnace Room / Watercop' On Set 'Notification Controller / Service Pushover Brian' Send Sys Short With Params To all Priority=Emergency Format=None Sound=Pushover (default) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Leak detect turns on Watercop (shuts off water) and emails.

Zooz Zen34 maybe. I would check that it is working when users report back, support was just added to latest v5.5.5 firmware. @asbrilhas one and is going to test and follow-up soon.

I tried this and I do not get any extra nodes. I am setting parameter 2 and 3 to 10 which is a dry contact sensor. I powered off/on. I even excluded/included. Then excluded/included using S2 and still no nodes. An update with interview afterwards does not help. I confirm query parameters 2 and 3 are still set to 10. Something still is not right.

You may have to restart PG3.. Mine shows this..

@ronbo I went into PG3 and just entered the ISY password again and reboot everything and is working now. I don't use the default password so maybe was reset back to admin or whatever default is. Either glitch or coincidence dunno

I call my wife and attempt to walk through and describe for half an hour over phone what to unplug

Not sure when this happened, or if it is new. I notice that when I restart AC, the Query All should query everything, however the status does not show correctly for these Zen71 switches and is blank. If I manually query a switch after it will query its stated eg. On/Off. I have tried running the Query All manually after AC starts up but still does not query these switches. Other Z-Wave switches query fine though eg. Jasco, Leviton, Zen32, even my Watercop. I noticed this when I ran UD Mobile and the states of these switches did not allow the button press to turn on/off until is queried. I have looked at My LIghting sorted by Current State and all remaining devices that have no state are types of scene buttons and basic assoc etc. which don't normally query. Therefore seems unique to a few switches, particularly Zen71 switches. EDIT: I noticed also though that a basement hallway switch using a Jasco had same issue but may not be as consistent. I think the Query All program has something wrong with it in this update because it runs way to fast now compared to before where it took quite a while.

When I reboot Polisy, PG3 and AC do not sync and have to restart PG3 manually after a full Polisy restart. I have done this twice with same results.

I just upgraded by a command Michel sent me and all working now

Ok I’ll try that after work today.

Ok I figured out that the Admin Console Cloud doesn't work and LAN connection works... must have selected differently by coincidence here... I confirm it works on Win 11 with LAN connection now. PG3 still not working. Maybe will try Zen17 seem if they actually fixed now. Edit: I set parameter 2 and 3 to 10, did an update with interview, and even a replace with interview and I do not see separate sensor and relay nodes like there was before on Zooz 500 series dongle I did not exclude/include but the interview process should have done same and Zooz even says can do this eg. this is for a garage door, but parameter 2 and 3 values 4 and above should create extra sensor nodes.

I tried at home on my MacBook and I can access AC at least on it. Both of my Windows 11 PCs cannot launch admin console though... something in this latest update makes not work with Windows 11 maybe? Can someone else check that is using Windows 11 please.

Same no pg3 and ac won’t open also. Using a polisy.

What were the models of these plugs? I have had issues with a Zen25 when I was using old Zooz USB dongle, it would flood the network and kill ZWave. This is actually a common problem with this particular device discussed on other forums/hubs, but Zooz is "unable to reproduce" in their lab. The solution seems to be decreasing the frequency or stopping the energy reporting entirely. I have not bothered to hook mine up again since ZMatter but may so eventually.