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EVIL Pete, Just to clarify are you saying the use of the cc1111emk USB dongle will allow RF 2 way interaction with an (existing PLM) or the latter which is (IF) some enterprising person was able to create a software PLM they could also use the cc1111emk USB dongle to mimic the same as a real hardware PLM?

Well, this last statement just peaked my interest! One can only hope and pray this is something a developer could accomplish but don't see this ever coming to light in a commercial way. Its one thing to do this as a private developer and doing this on the DL. But, we all know Smartlabs would never allow this from happening or even coming into market. But, lets just for a moment say some ingenious person was to *mistakenly* leak such a software PLM application which did not rely on actual hardware. The problem is how does one supply the power line / RF signaling to interact with Insteon hardware? This would either require a person obtaining the Insteon processing chip which I have never heard any 3rd party accomplish save Broan, Smartinet, SkyLink, and Flood Stop. I suppose anyone could just repurpose an existing chip from a unit and then go to town. Just spit balling here so curious how some of you feel this could be accomplished with as little investment / hardware etc.

LOL, glad you figured it out . . .

EVIL Pete, For the benefit of others will you be able to offer a video presentation of this interception and control of the Insteon device via RF? Also, can you provide some clarity as to the over all intent and back ground as to why you took this project up besides novel curiosity? I think many people who don't know you would appreciate some back ground and insight along with a little more detail(s) as to what is happening exactly. Lastly, have you been contacted by Smartlabs / Smarthome about these findings?

You can select any port you wish so long as it doesn't conflict with any *known* ports already in use. If you Google for known ports you will find a long list of common ports and what they are intended and used for.

I do believe both are the same thing. If you upgraded from a 99 Series Controller to a 994 model. All you need to do is submit a service request following this link:http://www.universal-devices.com/contact-support/ When you login to the Admin Console select Help -> About and take a screen capture of the UUID along with any modules in place. Reference this thread along with the service request and UDI will review and activate the module for you.

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Hello Michael, My plans are in the next few weeks unless others beat me to it is to try to reference all of the UDI threads which pertain to weather, temperature, humidity, environmental monitoring. I currently have about $1400.XX in Best Buy gift certificates and really wish I could have used them for a Davis weather system. But sadly that won't be on the menu I suppose so will redirect those funds toward some new gear. If the Netatmo system ever goes on sale I might consider using this as a stop gap until I can purchase the Davis system sometime later this year. Eager to read what others are using and (IF) they had any success in integrating either weather data or environmental data with the ISY Series Controller. It goes with out saying the Autelis Bridge, Web Control, and RPi 2 are great solutions to help monitor temperature, humidity, and moisture for soil conditions.

Randy, Thank you so very much for taking the time to share this with me and the forum members. This *Human* needs lots of cooling at the moment as its extremely hot where I am now. Thankfully, the home is super insulated as you can see the interior space is still 22'C when compared to the humid and hot 32.1'C which will rise to 36'C before the day is over. Keeping the home cool with out the aid of AC is hard sometimes when there are consecutive hot evenings and the humidity is off the charts.

Over the years I have been able to achieve a great deal with the tight integration and power of Insteon products and the ISY Series Controller. In the past, the primary goal(s) have been to reduce my energy consumption, increase efficiency, and make the home as comfortable and enjoyable via home automation. Having been able to achieve the first part of my goals using great products from Autelis, Brultech, Insteon, Universal Devices Inc. The missing puzzle in my HA has been hyper local weather and environmental data which could help fine tune *Just in time* use of devices, appliances, resources. Given most of us are not made of money I have always tried to find a good balance between cost vs value. Sometimes it goes with out saying you simply have to pay if you want the performance and accuracy you seek! Like most I am at a point in my life where I constantly struggle between being a tight aszz and just spending my money once. Spending your money once enviably means using lots of cash to accomplish said goal. With anything I do in life, work, and Home Automation (HA) I always try to ask the experts in their respective fields or those who have done it before me. Ha . . . The goal of this thread is a receive feed back from real world users who have deployed specific gear to help obtain hyper local weather to environmental data which integrates tightly with the ISY Series Controller. I do realize some hardware device solutions do not integrate well or require other resources to make it so. So, if you have been using any sort of local weather device or environmental device which helps report temperature / humidity please do chime in and provide some details as to how this was achieved. Below in no specific order are some of the hardware solutions which are on my *Wish List* and at some point in time will be purchased to help me accomplish the above. Most people who are quite serious about weather data have purchased the Davis Vantage Pro 2 Plus: http://www.davisnet.com/weather/products/vantage-pro-professional-weather-stations.asp It goes with out saying this device is being used by lots of serious folks in the geo weather field. While others like farmers, and just avid weather freaks also gravitate to purchasing this fantastic hardware. Some of the pros is extremely accurate data which can be pushed to places like HAM, Weather Under Ground, and many more cloud hosted services. The obvious down side to this hardware is the initial sticker shock which goes for $700.XX to $1100.XX depending upon where you buy it from etc. In the configuration I am interested in it would be for basic temperature, humidity, wind, rain, and the xtras like light and UV. The last two is what pushes the prices up to the heady $800 - 1100.XX range. The following devices I have seen in stores and also via Kick Starter which have been mentioned by a few good members like MWareman, Netatmo: https://www.netatmo.com/site This device has recently come to market and offers quite a few cool features which you can see here: Average selling price is listed about $149.99 to $199.99 depending upon where you shop etc. This device has an extremely clean look and feel and is very small. It in no ways provides the same wealth of data as the Davis system as its in a completely different field and price point. But for those looking for temperature, humidity, light, sound, CO, monitoring. This device is pretty cool in what it can do and provide. Some of the things I like is having the ability to see other geo locations which provides a bigger picture of places in the same geo location as you or further. The system has an extremely clean UI and notification which just oozes that Apple like fit and finish and use. This device also has a wireless water measuring meter along with having the ability to add extra sensors around the home etc. It should be noted once you start to add up the extra modules you will soon find yourself near the price point of a cheaper Davis unit. I have considered buying one of these devices as a stop gap but haven't pushed the button yet because that *Buy it once* guy in the back of my head keeps yelling! Yet the *Cheap Aszz* guy voice in my head yells a lot louder LOL . . . BloomSky: https://www.bloomsky.com/ Next on the hit list is a KS product that is in the middle of coming to market: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/907431954/bloomsky-snapshot-of-your-weather This device on the surface has lots of potential and offers local imaging. I think it would be pretty cool to be able to share images / snap shots of the local sky etc. This is more of a fad feature opposed to being something actually useful in my mind. But hey that's whats great about life its about having choices . . . Based on KS feed back this device only advises a person of rain not how much rain. So if this device was cheaper I might have considered it as a for runner in my application. Ambient Weather: http://www.ambientweather.com/ Here is a good break down of the device I have seen and reviewed: Here are some of the models that already include the meteor bridge: http://www.ambientweather.com/weatherbridge.html AcuRite: http://www.acurite.com/ Here is a good break down of the one device I have seen and considered for review: Oregon Scientific: http://store.oregonscientific.com/us/weather-stations.html Meteor Bridge: This great little device acts like a bridge to help push some of these weather stations to the cloud using this: http://meteobridge.com/wiki/index.php/Home This information was provided by our forum member: cmccartney That link was provided here in this forum thread discussion: http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/14851-bloomsky/?hl=%2Bweather+%2Bstation&do=findComment&comment=125202 Reviews & Resources: The following are just some random links I found about various weather stations. I have no first hand knowledge about how they operate or how accurately they are. I am simply offering a few resources so people can quickly read over what is on the market to day. Should you find more relevant links or resources please do share them. http://top10bestpro.com/top-10-best-wireless-weather-stations/ http://www.wired.com/2015/03/put-4-home-weather-stations-test/ http://weather-stations-review.toptenreviews.com/

I wanted to update this thread that Xathros has once again come to the rescue: http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/16095-autelis-bridge-pushing-data-to-smart-energy-groups-seg-guide/ It should be noted this is not a back fill solution as it is a method to insure data continues to flow to SEG which avoids a gap in the charting data. If done properly there will not be a need to back fill the SEG data via the ISY Series Controller.

Well, normally the speaker / siren is installed in the HVAC air return baffle. Doing so allows sound penetration to spread through out the home with out issue. As is with most *drill & run* installs you normally see the speaker / siren mounted right next to the alarm panel in a closet or in the basement. Which really does you no favors in terms of thief disabling the noise maker. A supplemental siren / speaker is not something you see very often in basic installs or even considered by 99% of the population. These units are normally mounted high up in the attic space of the attached garage rafters. This is done to insure everyone outside can hear the alarm condition from many blocks, to miles depending on wind direction etc. If you have access to the wiring to the siren I would suggest you first look at the panel and verify all connections are tight and sound. See how the system is grounded if at all as most systems use a floating ground internally shunted by the use of the telephone POTS. If its not tied to the POTS because there is no land line most installers will simply not ground the unit at all. The PSU that powers the alarm panel is 9X of 10 used as the method for grounding. What is the alarm panel model, brand, device number?

Appreciate the follow up and details about this new One Link eco system being deployed by FA. Unfortunately, this begs to question will people moving forward who need to replace their existing smoke, CO, units be left in the dusk when a replacement is required? I am sure happy I bought ten back up units for that just in case . . . Normally people know I have no problem throwing Smarthome / Smartlabs under the bus when warranted. But, if they are not aware of this change in state this is a failure on FA side. Then again Smarthome / Smartlabs isn't really known to communicate very well to anyone. Let alone to their own employees . . . I sure hope this isn't the demise of the Smoke Bridge because I will need to buy another unit for a back up if this one ever goes poof!

Hello Bill, Just some quick feed back as to some items you can check to insure they are not the root cause. 1. Very tight timed or looping programs. 2. Network Traffic: If you have 3rd party devices which send data to the ISY via state variables. Ensure the send interval is not set too low such as every 5 seconds etc. 3. SMTP Traffic: Confirm you don't have lots of e-mails being sent out by the system. I know its fanciful for people to receive all kinds of alerts based on MS movement, window, doors, being open. But if you have a active family, pets, etc having the ISY send 10-20 emails under a minute uses up lots of resources. 4. KPL Blink: Lots of people use this method to make a KPL blink. I know lots of people are a fan of this because it gives a good feed back etc. But, this can cause lots of Insteon traffic and ties up the ISY when more than one KPL is doing the LED flash dance. 5. Anti Virus / Firewall: You should always check the anti virus / firewall to insure rules or policies have not changed. Often times a update of the two will cause the conflict where the system takes longer to connect etc. 6. Run at start up: It should be noted that if you have lots of programs that run at startup. You should consider scaling a few down to only have mission critical programs run at start up. 7. Query: I know lots of people who use query as a method to verify the state of a device. Mostly as a band aid to poor communications etc. Please verify if you have lots of query programs or query all of the system. I have seen a few people who actually query the entire network on multiple timed intervals. Doing so ties up the ISY Series Controller from doing anything else and this comes across as the unit is locked up. But in fact its super busy processing etc. Most of the tasks and processes are based on FIFO (First In, First Out)

I have nothing of value to add to this conversation but laughed out loud when I saw this. Simply awesome . . . Carry on now don't mind me.

That's really great to hear and let us know what happens with the new ones you have on hand. Make sure you ask them (IF) there is a difference between the *Wireless* vs the *One Link* units. If not great if so what are they?

My first thought is induced noise from 120 VAC lines. If power wires are crossed with low voltage signal cables this can cause noise this is why they must be either spaced apart properly or run perpendicular to other 120 VAC wiring. Using shield cable is also another method used to avoid noise etc. If none of the above is true the most common problem is poor grounding. The siren in an alarm panel is normally powered by the system unless the bell limit is exceeded. In those cases a relay or a dedicated PSU drives the siren / speaker. Do you actually have a siren opposed to a speaker? Where exactly is this siren / speaker located in your home that you can hear the Insteon traffic?

Understood, but the advert on the back of the One Link almost exactly mimic's the same information as the OP's. Way back in the day when Smartlabs first announced there would be some kind of collaboration with First Alert I ran out and purchased 16 units. As the years went by there wasn't any signs of this mythical Insteon device to be seen or had. About 2-3 years later the Smoke Bridge was finally released by Smartlabs. At that point I was already fully integrated with my Security Alarm Panel via Kidd 120 VAC smoke detectors. Shortly after this massive install there was a two week lightning storm event which took out more than 200 homes in my area. If it wasn't for my monthly fire checks I would have never found out the two detectors were blown or damaged. At the time in our area back up battery smokes were not required for what ever reason. Several things came to light during that mishap and moving forward I have deployed systems that take into account as many situations / scenarios as possible. - All hardwired 120 VAC smoke detectors are protected by SSR relays via optical coupling. Which avoids any possible voltage spike to damage the units. This circuit is now also surge protected up stream by a dedicated surge protector which monitors high / low voltage conditions and removes power if such a condition exists. - As a extra measure of fail over using the power of the First Alert One Link. I have deployed multiple battery operated Smoke / CO talking alarms in each room, floor, zone, area. Using high capacity lithium cells not only provides long term use but absolutely avoids any possible chance of a lightning strike damaging these units. - Couple this with EOL monitoring via the alarm panel if any of the 120 VAC units are ever damaged or not fully in spec a fault will be declared by the system. - Finally, adding the Smoke Bridge I can integrate Insteon lighting as required. With the integration of the ISY Series Controller fail over messaging can be had which backs up the security alarm system.

Well, they can't charge you anything if they indeed sent you the wrong device and it doesn't actually use the One Link protocol etc. Please do try to connect to the smoke bridge outlined by the full users manual and report back success / failure.

LOL . . . You always make my day.

Its funny because they use the same terminology for the One Link? Its too bad the OP can't open the unit and try to connect it to the Smoke Bridge. But, I can absolutely understand because I wouldn't want to be on the hook for $45 - hundreds of dollars for units that won't integrate with the Smoke Bridge. I really can't understand why the actual First Alert store sent him something that has no markings? Because this is a trade mark brand for them and only those so listed operate via the One Link as I have read etc. Maybe they are dropping the One Link Logo? I dunno, this has to be one of the most frustrating things to go through! Just throw a guy a bone already . . .

Oh thank you . . . Thank You . . . Thank You!

You're pulling my leg WTF??? The HA Gods must really hate you because that is simply incredible that four vendors are sending you the wrong product. Also given the fact the link you provided clearly shows the One Link logo etc. I've been in several stores since we last spoke and have seen every one labeled appropriately. That was at Walmart, Home Depot, and in Canada Rona Revy. I am at a complete loss why this is happening have you tried to link the new sensors?

In the past many of us have asked that the next firmware drop increase the number of characters that can be used. Say from 8-10 to 12-16 characters. The system should also have user set attempt value from 3 to what ever they desire. Once this threshold has been exceeded there should be a user definable time out. Most systems allow it to be timed out for 3-15 minutes . . . Even better if the system could send a two form authentication via its e-mail feature. I've always mused about being able to create a custom e-mail which the system upon user login would ask the person to take the inbound e-mail and enter what ever pass phrase was used in conjunction with the user name / password. That would be extremely hard for the casual hacker to determine and breach.

Its interesting it uses sound discrimination to detect the smoke / CO alerts. It makes the product very much universal in application and deployment. I am very curious to see how well it discerns other ambient noise factors but have to assume it has been fine tuned to only listen to these specific frequencies. Then again there are countless alarm systems on the market that have dedicated glass / impact sensors which at the basic level are nothing more than a microphone. Which are easily fooled by key chain rattle, thumping of the window, clapping of a persons hand etc. Does this device have any sort of battery back up in case of line power loss?