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Silly question but are you in fact using this device as a two node set up? If not remove the check mark and see if the duplicates stop.

Long story short doing so essentially mimics you hard resetting all devices in your home where there is no association with one another. Any programs you have created thus far will point to nothing. When you use the replace PLM the system will delete the old PLM and replace it with the new one automatically and thus keeping all associated programming, links, scenes, etc. But if you want to waste time go ahead . . .

Thank you both for confirming the above seller has fresh stock from Smarthome. I think its highly likely unless a business is not selling a lot of Insteon products that what is on the shelf is current production. Having said this its never a surprise to see older items being sold because it simply doesn't move like other products like switches, outlets, and plugin modules. Great to see a seller pass along a nice $18.00 saving to the general public!

As stated you were just living on borrowed time with that older PLM in place. Yes the Amazon 2413S PLM is the same but you should note unless the buyer is actually from Smarthome. You risk purchasing another PLM that has the capacitor issues. Smartlabs is now selling hardware 2.XX now which is supposed to incorporate better capactiors and also resolves the ALL ON / ALL OFF issues a limited amount of people have seen and experienced. If you decide to purchase the cheaper PLM from a 3rd party vendor you have really two choices. Take a risk you get a hardware 1.XX version and at some point you can do the capacitor fix yourself to avoid the 2 year failure. Or gamble that you will indeed receive the latest 2.XX hardware with the new firmware fix in place.

So not to take this thread on a complete tangent but did you receive another HUB PLM to help resolve the ALL ON issues?

I would have to gather this may be a small fluke in production if not God help us all. Every time I read about v2.X PLM hardware having issues it just makes the hair on the back of my neck just stand up and I get this bad taste in my mouth. It truly saddens me that UDI has been halted in this endeavor to release a more robust PLM to the general public. Having a single source supplier providing hardware is just a terrible place to be in the long run. Also having a single item that interacts with a Insteon network is just trouble. As limited as, BLE, WiFi is at least no single device has command and control of its global operations. I've often dreamed about a world where new Insteon devices would have the ability to just talk to the ISY Series Controller with out the aid of a middle man like the 2413S PLM. Given the computing power, memory storage, available to hardware vendors these days to me it would just make more sense if the ISY was a hybrid PLM, no? All they would need is the PLM Insteon chip and integrate it into their box as they do with the Z-Wave / ZigBee cards. The only difference is that the PLM chip would be integrated to the main PCB of the ISY. What a nice dream, sadly a pipe dream . . .

LeeG, Hoping to see a production unit with a 2015 marking but good to know its possible 4614 units have no options. Some of this is really frustrating to keep track of and know what to expect. I've said this 99999999999999999999999999 times over the years and will continue to do so. Would it kill anyone to provide release notes on product development or enhancements?!?!? I am at a complete loss as to why a company would not take a small amount of time and publish the information, features, with release notes. This is basic 101 in almost any industry I know of.

As Michael indicated and EVIL Pete alluded to using a RF device which can be powered by anything will supersede the need for a 120 VAC power line device. I am still looking forward to seeing the recorded video and presentation of this effort.

I wanted to bring this back to the top and ask if anyone has received a brand new Open-Close sensor (Trigger Linc) and whether or not it has the *Options* to set battery, heart beat etc. Please indicate the hardware revision, production date, along with the ISY firmware.

EVIL Pete, Much thanks for the insight and clarification on how the I2CS data packet is intercepted and managed. A little bit of spit balling here so bare with me if you will. Lets assume there is no encryption being considered for the next generation of Insteon devices. How would you update the existing Insteon protocol to make it harder for someone like you to flesh out the required data to circumvent and take control of said device(s)?? I believe you're in a good position to offer a counter measure or at least provide some insight as to how you would stop a person such as yourself from doing the same. To catch a thief you must either think like a thief or use a thief to aid in the capture. Ha . . .

Barry, Absolutely, a 4 year ROI on something that large of an investment is just good business sense. On year five its just smooth sailing and reaping the rewards of that investment you initially took on. Now, go tell Alexa to bring me a cold one! Ha . . .

Sounds good and please report back what hardware you receive on the back. Along with the ISY firmware as listed above under the *Tools*. This will help many of us get an idea of what is shipping to the general public. As LeeG noted that hardware revision should have had the capacitor fix and should not have been the root cause. Please consider installing the surge alarm outlet to protect the PLM.

There should have been another listing such as 1.C etc. In the Admin Console select Tools -> Diagnostics -> PLM Info / Status. This will provide the PLM firmware level such as: v9B

Barry, That is really great to hear you're happy with the hardware transition. As you noted, service after the sale is first rate and the team takes an active participation in the forums. Glad you have been able to shave off a few KWH from that household. Ha . . .

I gather from this statement all of use could look forward to retiring the Java interface? If so, please consider incorporating this feature in the Kick Starter campaign. For that virtual node project, to help finance and provide a seat for a contract developer.

On the back of the unit is the hardware revision it is separate from the Insteon MAC address which you provided here. It will be like Rev 1.C with a production date like 2315. Please also state what the ISY indicates as the firmware via the Help tab. The Leviton surge alarm outlets I listed above have been tested and proven to operate and provide surge protection with out hindrance towards Insteon power line communications. I can't say 100% whether or not the Panamax surge alarm outlet will do the same. As it depends upon the filtering size of the capacitor in the unit. Thus far I haven't seen any issues for my Insteon plugin units like lamp lincs / On-Off modules. But than again they could very well be using the RF portion to compensate for the power line signal being eaten up. I may try a power line only Appliance Linc and see if it operates fine . . .

Once you receive the new unit consider purchasing one of these surge alarm outlets. Unlike other surge protection devices this particular unit will actually disconnect the line voltage if its too high or too low. There isn't anything out on the market that does this for a standard outlet: http://www.panamax.com/Products/In-Wall/MIW-SURGE-1G.php You will have to test out if this device will absorb the Insteon power line signal. I use them extensively in my home but haven't tried it with a 2413S PLM so can't say with 100% certainty that the signal won't be blocked. My other go to surge alarm outlet is Leviton which comes in various colors and 15 / 20 amp capacities: http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/SectionDisplay.jsp?section=39994&minisite=10251&LEVCOMP_pses=ZGCF57BAD27A3F1DE619A66AA1016042BE6015B42781052D19091C502B31AD7C0CEC7B2783E46008A5CF4B9D9D06BA9A52012D401FF76EB491 These units do not impact Insteon signals when single use is employed. Do not string more than one of these units in a circuit unless you don't care about Insteon power line signals.

EVIL Pete, Could you please expand on that line of thought and explain how your technique circumvents the iCS2 protection method.

As indicated by Brian H, simply follow the instructions in step 2. If power cycling does not allow you to control the devices or see status change. Your next step is to perform a PLM restore in case the links are dropping off. If you find both steps work to resolve the issue at hand you should note this is very much a band aid and stop gap measure. Until such time as you receive a new PLM which by the way if you're under the 2 year warranty period should be covered. If the PLM is older than 2 years old but only by a week or so please do call Smarthome and you might luck out and they will offer a free replacement etc via cross dock.

Please select Tools -> Diagnostics -> Show PLM Link Table. Select *Start* and report back how many link records are present. When this task is completed select *Count* and indicate what the number is. Please also indicate how many Insteon devices you have and how many are KPL's.

1. How old is the 2413S PLM is it older than 2 years old? 2. Have you powered cycle the PLM and ISY? 3. When you do a PLM link compare how many links are present?

EVIL Pete, You're just killing me . . . I can't wait to see the video presentation on this exploit and much thanks for taking the time to share the back ground on this endeavor.

A simple test is place the Leak Sensor close to any dual band device in your home and wait for the program to confirm the heartbeat is received. Since the Leak Sensor (firmware) has evolved so many times in the last 16 months it depends what hardware / firmware your sensor is using that will determine what you will see. Older units would flash the LED quickly when placed in water and the only method to determine a wet / dry condition was using the above program. Later firmware caused the sensor when placed in a wet condition would turn on the wet node. Upon the sensor becoming dry the reverse would happen . . . The most recent firmware requires the user to physically to tap the set button to reverse the wet node. This version also flashes the LED at 15-20 second intervals to indicate a wet condition exists. There are however short runs of hardware / firmware where the ISY will show the exact same firmware but the above behavior is not seen but reflects previous firmware releases. Speaking in a general sense most of the Leak Sensors when pressed with in 10-30 seconds of activation would cause a heart beat message to be seen. If you activate the Lever 3 log reporting you should be able to determine what data is being sent and received by the device you have on hand. But my guess is you're too far from a dual band device to receive the signals.

This really depends upon *Human* being comfortable now doesn't it. LOL . . .