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I believe a little clarification needs to be called out for anyone else just starting to read and use Insteon products. Some people like Larry / Stu have various firmware and hardware motion sensors that apparently does not show or lock the low battery node to a on state. Where as others like LeeG and myself do . . . Regardless of what you see in the Admin Console like others have stated above. So long as you have a e-mail program set up to send you an alert you will know this condition does exist. Now, as stated above by Larry some use variables to keep a more accurate count and state of the low battery status / condition. Whereas others simply want to be notified of that fact. Everyone should just determine their use case and needs and move forward with the implementation of their preferred choice.

To your question about the battery low on status. Once you change the battery you need only right click on that low battery node and select query. That will return the on status to a off state. I am unsure why a low battery on would not be present in the admin console unless something was toggling it off or the system was rebooted which than causes all the nodes to show a blank state just something to consider. [emoji4] Ideals are peaceful - History is violent

LMAO . . .

LOL, no argument.

Well said and I agree with most of the points as they are indeed based on real world facts and behaviors. In the future I should really try to temper my replies as I know many who read my writing have no clue who I am or what my back ground was. The key thing I believe people have to take away is use common sense . . . More people have been harmed and died due to the lack of common sense or the ability to get out of wet paper bag. Life is absolutely about balance, risk vs reward, costs and ROI. When I read thousands of forum posts about people who say *Hey I got this great alarm system, lock, widget* now I am safe! Really?!??! You weren't safe before and now some noise maker is going to magically offer you force protection? The opposite is true to the security nut or those who arm themselves where ever they go. I have lots of family and friends who live in the United States and some of them are truly off their rocker . . . If you believe you need to carry a fire arm into Walmart because you fear you will be attacked you really need to consider where you live. When I am sitting on the bleachers with my cousins in Texas watching a kids baseball game and all of them are strapped wearing a 9 mm I have to take pause and wonder. Why do you live here if you fear for your life and need to have a gun strapped to your side? As we both agree its easy to go into any extreme and freely admit I have fallen into this trap before. But that is why its called experience and knowledge as you get wiser you understand things need to be done in moderation. Its safe to say that is essentially what life is all about . . . Back on topic: I am looking forward to see what advancements are on the horizon for the smart glass. Thus far nothing has come out of this technology which was published three years ago. Like you I see so many flash in the pan fads that on the surface had legs but for what ever reason simply did not take off or have the backing of others. USB Type C is starting to gain traction and that is good to see so long as people don't start to follow the iSheep method. Because Apple has been well known to champion the latest and greatest technology but do so in a manner that does nothing beneficial to the end user besides lighten their wallets. I am so eager to see if anyone will in fact make memory cheaper and more reliable for the masses. Given in 2016 we have literally broken every barrier with respect to efficiency and being able to make things smaller. It never ceases to amaze me to see key items that simply don't go down in price. I suppose this is very much like gas where its simply being regulated and back door deals are present which many of these companies have been found out and fined by various agencies. Lastly, I would like to see a concerted effort on free air charging which not surprisingly Apple is hard at work in this area. The current free air charging distance is in excess of 25 feet. The only down side is its not possible to offer this sort of technology that won't cause massive interference in a home. Perhaps they will figure it out by 2020 . . .

Could you provide a real world example of how other systems operate using the IF, THEN, ELSE? I'm having a hard time envisioning what parameters would be drastically different. Perhaps most of us have been using the ISY too long and its just natural?

But is the value correct and simply indicating a negative value? Meaning if that light bulb is 100 watts the system is displaying -100 watts, correct?

Hello Jeff, The Admin Console will only show if a status change, or if the device trips or you press the set button manually. Also, if you have not created the heart beat tracking program from Belias please do so. As its one of the most powerful programs out there that offers great insight and e-mail notifications of the status of the leak sensor or any device that has the heart beat node feature.

No, but you can press the set button if you simply wish to see some kind of status like on/off/heartbeat.

I am sure people can come up with 999999999999999 reasons why a smart lock works for them. I get it trust me but it doesn't sway me in the least regardless of all the bells and whistles someone throws my way. I have yet to see one smart lock operate in the cold north at all. I'm not even talking about -45'C weather we are talking about everyday common -20'C. None of these locks will operate at these temperatures and Schlag, Kwickset, it doesn't matter what brand you call out. None of them will operate very long in sub zero temperatures which has been well documented by all the major vendors. I can't see that being very helpful to the average guy who like Jon said has to carry a key anyways just in case. Anyone who has ever taken even a small amount of surfing can attest how laughable some of these smart locks from companies like Kwickset with their magical rekey method is easily defeated and broken into. People should not confuse what is involved in a grade 1 lock set which has absolutely nothing to do with it actually operating. Read what I just said and say that one more time aloud. A grade 1 residential rating has no baring on how the lock operates simply that is passes impact tests based on various standards. What good is a lock set that isn't usable or reliable in all weather conditions or can be circumvented when a high charge is presented? If anyone is curious what will happen to a smart lock of almost any variety on the market take a 12 volt car battery and put jumper cables to the lock and see what happens. LOL . . . You may be surprised what position the lock will be when it goes poof!

Yes, no doubt the majority of people install and use these smart locks for convenience and security is very much a secondary thought. I see value and proper use cases say in a building where you can set temporary entry, schedules, and revoke said access. Trust me I get it . . . It doesn't supersede the need to be honest and factual that said lock isn't by itself going to offer you more security. More so it will more than likely place a person into a false sense of security. We all get life is about balance and considering risk vs rewards my comments are strictly focused on calling out the liabilities and dangers in using these devices with out fully understanding the outcome. As I sit here I should really append to my signature that my comments are not addressed to those in this forum or others. More over they are commentary of the facts and best practices that other should be aware of and follow. Sometimes I think huddadudda and I just like to take a good thread and swing it completely left field and just rant. LOL . . . To the OP I apologize for taking this thread so far left field. Anyways smart locks have lots of benefits and use cases which I am fond of. But, none of that convenience has swayed me in the least in using them at the primary entrance doors vs simply following best practices and common sense.

ELK has a large following from the DIY crowd and for many meets their needs. The reality is this device is old and has been around for a long time and is based on 1990 technology. Which only recently has seen minor technology updates do to need not want. Their system meets the *minimum* UL security standards which there are many. As you see the Comcast toy alarm also meets the basic entry level of UL does that mean its a good product? There are building codes all across North America and one only needs to watch Holmes on Homes to know standards are the minimum and there are plenty of ways to screw up and still meet code. Specifically with Comcasts little toy the most basic attribute of wireless RF is polling. Their toy did not follow what is a industry wide accepted standard which is to default to a open state should a sensor drop out. One is fail secure while the other is fail safe and is based on the premise that everything is assumed to be not working unless told otherwise. They decided to go the other way and that is to assume all is well unless told otherwise, wrong! RF jamming detection is basic in all enterprise, military, security alarm systems. Couple with two way communications, signal strength, tamper, battery level, install time, up time, and auto temperature compensation during POST and operations. No matter the type of RF frequency or band being used its vulnerable to jamming. This is why hard wiring is mandatory in all installations that are UL / cUL 2050 certified sites. The last time I checked the ELK system was not past or certified for EN50131 standards which are much higher than North America. Consider the different appliances using the 900 mhz band like baby monitors?!?! Walky Talkies, and lots of random toys like RC cars . . . Really, 900 mhz even my GDO uses a more secure and less crowded bandwidth so this makes me take great pause. Then again you're talking about a company that hasn't innovated anything in 20 years! As I have stated here and many other places there isn't one enterprise, bank, police, hospital, military, etc that has or will ever install an ELK security system, ever . . . People have to ask the basic question of why that is? How come something that has so much HA capability and other connectivity not be used around the world in every industry? Simple, it doesn't meet the next level of UL / cUL security guidelines or has the capability to react in a manner that allows it to do so. Here is a perfect example of such, no other 3rd party device shall be allowed to have command and control of a certified UL / cUL alarm system, ever . . . So all those people who have the ELK module from UDI have already voided any possibility of being certified or meeting the most basic security standard. Ultimately many see value in having these systems in place and I can see why. But people should never lose sight as to why, what, and how its done.

I don't even know where to begin my rant because it would fill this page for 35 years if I started. Firstly, this high lights the key problem with any wireless security system which is from broad spectrum jamming. Next, none of the major security alarm companies use the 2.4 Ghz frequency for communications, none. I stress real and reputable security alarm companies . . . Couple this with the bold face lie from Comcast who's Charlie Douglas is a complete imbecile in every way in stating this is a industry wide problem. Wrong, that is nothing but a bold face lie from a incompetent fool who is just a pencil pusher with no first hand experience, knowledge, or common sense. The problem is his companies misuse of technology, in this case ZigBee. Its also his cheap aszz companies failing to follow basic UL / cUL security guidelines. If anyone believe this piece of junk would ever be installed into a commercial space, bank, hospital, police, military installation is smoking something really good. Lastly, the pervasive nature of these toy like alarm systems which simply sit on your counter is laughable. If you're too stupid to even call up a professional alarm company and decide to buy one of these table top items. You deserve to be broken into and have all your possession taken away . . . This is right up there with everyone who insists upon buying those $200 - 500.XX smart locks?!??! Let me see if I fully understand the premise of buying said lock. Its supposed to protect the home and occupants from a breach! But wait for it what has 99% of the population done to address the door frame, door jamb, and door? Nothing . . . Yet they believe a door, which more than 48% of the population have glass sides straddled on either side or better yet have an entire center door made of glass is going to protect them against a breach!?!? What's the word I'm looking for? Dumb? Silly? Stupid? Moronic? Everyone is willing to part hard earned money each and every day on things that simply offer no protection besides in their head. For most security is a lifestyle which embodies basic principles which are the 4 rings of security. Many never get past the first ring and that is the idea . . . As I've stated probably too many times this month on this forum and others. The trend of stupid is so pervasive and abundant that at this point it simply can't be stopped. Everyday I look out and see endless streams of people who have no clue what is going on in the world. Face firmly planted at the smartphone while crossing the road on a green light. I wonder how come fate just doesn't take these fools away and make them a smudge in the ground?!?! Oh I forgot, people often like to tell me God said, *The meek shall inherit the earth!*

Peter, It does sound like the device has gone bad. I know you reset the device but try again then delete it and add it back and report back. Ideals are peaceful - History is violent

LMAO . . . Well played my friend, well played . . . I must be going through Man o Pause or something as things just seem to really piss me off lately! I read a similar article about HaLow in another technology forum I am a member of. It seems the last five years this whole WiFi has really spun up and people really want to see huge throughput via wireless. What I would really like to see from all vendors is base HA protocol that everyone can agree upon. It always surprises me to see all of these nobody to start up companies to super large ones all integrating multi radio's. Yet the devices we all use simply don't and it really pains me to see this. When you have $50 - 90 device from Smartthings, Wink, etc all incorporate Z-Wave, ZigBee, WiFi, BLE. It really makes me wonder how the landscape for 2016 and beyond will look like. Its been stated a few times that Apple intends to make a concerted effort and push in 2016 for the Apple Home Kit. I have not seen any movement from anyone in the AllJoyn, Thread, what ever make believe protocol some mega company is looking to pander to the stupid. All I know is from walking around in a few super sized electronic stores is junk, fads, and half baked ideas really do sell! The amount of utter sh^t I have seen being carried by these retailers only affirms the sheep are plentiful in the world. What I do know is lots of people will have tons of paper weights in their homes in the not too distant future. Ha . . .

Stu, Can you expand on the customer service portion and what that entailed? I always like to hear first hand experience from others as it speaks volumes of the service after the sale.

Hello Kerry, Insteon is a no go for most people as there is only one brand and it doesn't offer two way confirmation of the lock / unlock state. Many of the forum members are using the Z-Wave in various flavors which on the surface appears to work just fine for many. Unlike many here I do not use or believe in deploying such lock sets for the primary entrances in the home. There are too many security risks and liabilities for such . . . Its the latest and greatest fad which I get completely but the reality is people often try to find solutions for problems they themselves can correct for free. Anyone who has kids can relate and I know personally about force protection in my home and at work etc. But the reality is these sort of solutions are half measures in addressing a lack of common sense and awareness.

It would be great to formally hear that Amazon Echo is being sold in Canada. Every time I hear about another cloud hosted service I just barf a little bit more in my mouth. I really can't wait for this fad to die off . . . Its right up there with the rat tail, mullet, and baggy pants idiots walking around town wear.

Go into the control panel and select Java -> General -> Settings -> Delete Files: Select all three option box's and select delete files. Once done download the Admin Console for what ever firmware you're running such as 4.4.2

Its not that it won't work it comes down to how anal you're about the color matching. I won't lie I've been told I have a little more than OCD in many areas. But depending upon what area this device is you may never really care and just live with it. I couldn't because most of them were in high traffic areas which I see literally every day. So seeing a few of the chicklets yellow or off white when compared to the others just drove me crazy. Obviously my OCD kicked in so I hunted down five sets of the 50 packs that were made in the same period as the ones in use. Keep in mind there are actually two issues one being the white plastic can be different shades of white. The other is what I noted which is when the chicklet is back lit it will appear to be either yellowish, off white, or white. Let us know how this turns out if it goes through.

Zerop, It should be noted that depending upon model years of KPL's you have. You may find once the key is back lit it will either appear yellow, off white, or white. Just something to keep in mind . . .

Can you state the hardware production date and revision number along with the ISY firmware for the group.

Drew, It has been said in other postings that if you replace as many of the capacitors you may very well revive the unit. Having said this if the problem is any IC or SMD part you are pretty much SOL.

Are you sure its the right device ID number and in fact its not low? I would measure the battery and you may be surprised that its well below 8.XX VDC.

1+ I agree this is a simple test and will confirm if its the load that is the root cause. More often than not if a load turns on fine and later can not be turned off its the load injecting noise on the line. The only trouble part is if they used to work fine before and now don't. I've seen this sort of behavior on quite a few Home Depot Cree LED lights. At four different installs during the commissioning of the site on day one things were operating perfectly and we had great comms. Later one site indicated about 42 days later some lights would not turn off as commanded and require multiple off's to be initiated at the local paddle. Later two other sites indicated about 90 days later random fixtures would not turn off also. After removing dozens of Home Depot Cree LED bulbs we found several that operated just fine in any other aspect. But when it came to integrating them with Insteon they just had enough noise to kill the signal. I can't tell you how painful it was to scale a 25 foot ladder up and down like a used toilet seat! This is the problem with consumer products as we all want the cheapest price no matter what. The down side is, to get to that level of price point other aspects will be sacrificed to obtain said price. As an aside, I don't do the ladder thing any longer and invested in a extra long bulb extension poll. Ha . . .