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Thanks, I will read that. Clarence

ryarber, Good explanation! I have had some of the same experiences that you had. I finally settled on Not using a Scene for my Closet M.S. because I have two different scenarios - one for daytime with a higher light level and one scenario for the late night where I only have the lights come on to 30%. I originally used a Scene set to 30% and then the program would ramp up to 95% for daytime. The night time Scenario would just stay at the lower level. I am also using a 2-wire Kit with a Dimmerlinc and a Companion Switch and that creates a whole other can of worms. So I have settled on using two different programs - one daytime and one for night time. ingeborgdot, I was about to send a similar posting to you but the posting by ryarbar should do the trick. PS. My biggest complaint about the Insteon M.S is the fact that you need to open it to program it. My biggest complaint for the X10 M.S is the fact that it cannot be part of a scene. Clarence

Pins 1,2 & 3 can be left in their default settings. pin 4 controls whether the M.S. gets an "Off" signal from the M.S (Countdown Timer). If you leave it "Off" after a set amount of time, the M.S. gets an off command from it's internal circuitry. The Status of the M.S will always be "On" after it is first triggered if you use this jumper. But, it will re-trigger after the internal countdown timer resets - even though it does not turn the M.S. status to off. Pin 5 is to be used to enable the M.S. to be programmed externally. As far as I know, ISY can't use this option, while it is said that some other Home Auto programs can. Clarence

I didn't know that. You learn something new everyday. Look at this post: http://forum.universal-devices.com/viewtopic.php?t=2922 There are a lot of other post on this subject matter - it is very popular. So there is a lot of good information about Motion Sensors, both X10 and Insteon. Clarence

What interface are you using to connect your skylink motion sensor to your ISY? As far as I know, the skylink Motion sensor is a proprietary system and not Insteon compatable without some kind of contact closure interface. Clarence

Using Motion Sensors is sometimes contentious along with the choice of whether to use Insteon or X10. I have used both and have some personal Pros and Cons to share. X10 Pros: inexpensive, easy to use X10 Cons: Can't be used in Scenes. You may need an X10 RF booster to use. Insteon Pros: Can be used in Scenes. You can use Insteon Access Points to extend range. Insteon Cons: Can't be linked or removed from Scenes without Initializing (can be a pain, based on where your M.S. in located). Along with the fact that you have to physically open the back of the unit to initialize the unit. I would like some other input that can be added to my list - your input is greatly appreciated - I may have overlooked some Pros and Cons for either. Clarence

This may have been reported earlier, but I have seen (even in ver 2.7.11) that on occasion during the initial loading of the ISY that the "system busy' message appears and the system hangs. I am able to click program status and the other tabs and they seem to work. The one thing that doesn't work is the "Event Viewer" so I can't see anything that is going on. I think that this problem is systemic. If I close the application and restart MyLighting it will restart, running correctly but on occasion it may take a couple of restarts to make things work correctly. If anyone else has seen this please post your experience. Clarence

Are there any issues with the irrigation modules? I have one that is working but I need new one to replace a bad one - so are there problems with the new versions? Clarence

I just upgraded to the new Bets:2.7.12 and there seem to be no problems. Everything seems to work just fine. Will post any problems that might arise. I have more problems with my G1 phone than with my ISY. Clarence

I have installed the new version and see on ill effects. Everything seems to work with no apparent problems. Clarence

I fire two different scenes: A Sunset and the Landscape lights are there with other lights. and a Sunrise scene that turns off all of the lights. Clarence

I've been using a lamplinc on my low voltage lighting for years. I actually only allow my low voltage lights to come on to 80%. I found that low voltage lights have a fairly short life span when you allow them to switch on to full brightness. It has to do with a surge when the lights switch on during a zero crossing of the sine wave. At that time the in-rush especially on the secondary side of the transformer is quite high. I have not had to change bulbs since I installed my lights. The other trick that I use is to ramp up my lights over time, just be careful, I did burn out one lanplinc by using a very long ramp time - like 9 minutes. I currently use a ramp rate of 4 minutes and have had no problems. The other problem can occur if the transformer has no load when you use a lamplinc. The other thing that I do is to dim my low voltage lights in the late night hours. I dim them to about 25%, this way I still have just enough lights for walkways to be safe during the late nights. Clarence

Jason, A couple things - My MS is part a Scene. The Scene only has the motion Sensor in it. I have another Scene with the Companion Switch and Dimmer Control. I do have jumper 4 closed so I do not get a Sensor "Off" command - So if you look at my MS it is always "On" after the first initial On Trigger. So my program to turn the light on is in a different scene that the on/off/dim Switch. I guess I could have left the MS on its own and not part of a scene. I originally had the MS, Companion Sw. and the Dimmer all in the same Scene. This eliminated any delays that the programming introduces but was not working for me. If you use a scene for your MS and leave the #4 Jumper off, the off signal will trigger the scene to go off - You will not need an "Off" Program. You also cannot override the MS "Off condition unless it is less than the MS Count Down timer. You therefore, could set the MS count down timer to a larger number than your desired time delay for your program and that would give you the control you want. I hope this was not too long winded. Clarence

Fortunately there are a lot of post on this subject. Look at http://forum.universal-devices.com/viewtopic.php?t=3993. also look at http://forum.universal-devices.com/viewtopic.php?t=3986. I have been able to get "sort of" good results with my Insteon Motion Sensors, finally. I even have samples of my programs that are working for me. Clarence

Thanks, I'll look into that. Clarence

Thanks. Clarence

Yes and No. I want more from the Motion Sensor, but I have to settle for what is. I would hope for some more enhancements in the future but that's up to Smart Home. I now have a better understanding and I hope that this posting will help others who may have had any problems too. I was using X10 Motion Sensors at first but they can not be put into a Scene. Clarence

If you leave jumper 4 "off" the Motion Sensor sends back its own "sensor Off" command and the Admin Panel actually see the updated status. In this case, with Jumper 4 "On", the motion Sensor does not send any off commands and the status, once the motion sensor is triggered, remains "On". The motion sensor is allowed to re-trigger once it does its internal countdown, even though the motion sensor status is still "on". Clarence

Insteon motion Sensor2420M Test This is my Test Program: If Control 'Test Motion Sensor-Sensor' is switched On Then Set 'Test Switch' On Wait 1 minute Set 'Test Motion Sensor-Sensor' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') My settings for the 2420M are as follows: Jumper 4 is closed – so it will not transmit or change the “On†state of the Motion Sensor to “Off†I have set the default trigger time to 30 seconds. This is the log for the above program. Thu 02/04/2010 10:58:19 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 13.F4.A5 00.00.01 C7 11 01 LTONRR (01) Thu 02/04/2010 10:58:19 AM : [ 13 F4 A5 1] DON 1 Thu 02/04/2010 10:58:19 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 13.F4.A5 00.00.01 C7 11 01 LTONRR (01) Thu 02/04/2010 10:58:19 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 13.F4.A5 00.00.01 C7 11 01 LTONRR (01): Process Message: failed Thu 02/04/2010 10:58:19 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 13.F4.A5 05.E9.E9 41 11 01 LTONRR (01) Thu 02/04/2010 10:58:20 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 0A.A6.6B 0F 11 FF 06 LTONRR (FF) Thu 02/04/2010 10:58:20 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 0A.A6.6B 05.E9.E9 A7 11 FE LTONRR (FE) Thu 02/04/2010 10:59:11 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 13.F4.A5 00.00.01 C7 11 01 LTONRR (01) Thu 02/04/2010 10:59:11 AM : [ 13 F4 A5 1] DON 1 Thu 02/04/2010 10:59:11 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 13.F4.A5 00.00.01 C7 11 01 LTONRR (01) Thu 02/04/2010 10:59:11 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 13.F4.A5 00.00.01 C7 11 01 LTONRR (01): Process Message: failed Thu 02/04/2010 10:59:11 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 13.F4.A5 05.E9.E9 41 11 01 LTONRR (01) Thu 02/04/2010 10:59:11 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 0A.A6.6B 0F 11 FF 06 LTONRR (FF) Thu 02/04/2010 10:59:11 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 0A.A6.6B 0F 11 FF 06 LTONRR (FF): Process ACK: duplicate ignored Thu 02/04/2010 10:59:12 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 0A.A6.6B 05.E9.E9 A7 11 FE LTONRR (FE) Thu 02/04/2010 10:59:58 AM : [Time]11:00:00 1(0) Thu 02/04/2010 10:59:58 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 0A.A5.05 0F 11 FF 06 LTONRR (FF) Thu 02/04/2010 10:59:59 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 0A.A5.05 05.E9.E9 2B 11 FF LTONRR (FF) Thu 02/04/2010 10:59:59 AM : [ A A5 5 1] ST 255 Thu 02/04/2010 10:59:11 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 0A.A6.6B 0F 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) Thu 02/04/2010 11:00:11 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 0A.A6.6B 05.E9.E9 A7 13 FE LTOFFRR(FE) The motion sensor does not send an “Off Sensor†command back. The first motion sensor trigger was at 10:58:19 AM. I re-triggered the motion sensor at 10:59:11 AM – that was after the 30 second set re-trigger in the motion sensor. The Off command for the Test switch happened at 10:59:11 AM which was approx 1 minute after the re-trigger. THE Status of the Motion Sensor remains on. Any commands to reset the motion sensor status to “off†are ignored but will not throw any errors either. Maybe someone else will be kind enough to interpret the insteon command so that we can all understand them.[/b]

how do I put a picture - jpeg or png into the post? Clarence

Thanks Again. Clarence

What are the current issues with the motion sensors? What are the fixes and are there going to be any enhancements with 2.7.11?

OK, testing is done! A 2474D can be installed using the 2475D setup, and it works. You get local control of all functions - on, off dim and etc. You loose control with the 2474S companion switch unless you add both to a scene. For my use, I am going back to the 2474D setup because it really works with my Motion Sensor and closet scene. Clarence

I looked at the Smarthome site and they are listed differently. Looking a little further into the specs. I have concluded that they are the same device. The 2474D is sold as a kit with a companion switch. The page for the 2475D list it a 500 watts load but further down in the page it states 400 watts, same as the 2474D I need to remove my 2474D and see if I get any difference by setting it us as a 2475D. I'll keep you posted. Clarence

Hi Rand, The 2-Wire Dimmer Kit includes a 2474D and a 2474S. I don't know if the 2474D is the same as the in-line module. But, I am feeling a little stupid for not exploring my programming options a little deeper. I have the motion sensor and the two dimmer kit devices added to my "Closet Scene". I do not get any control for the devices when I am in the scene tab. But, I am able to control the devices in the program tab. I explored the "Adjust" Action and I a now ecstatic about being able to set the Dimmer Module to a Dimmed value when the scene is triggered. For this usage, it is perfect for my scene. These are my Scene Programs: Closet Motion Daytime: If Control 'Closet Motion-Sensor' is switched On And Program 'GoodNite Flag Pgm' is False Then Set 'Closet Light Dimmer' On Wait 3 minutes Set Scene 'Closet Motion' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') and Closet Motion Night If Control 'Closet Motion-Sensor' is switched On And Program 'GoodNite Flag Pgm' is True Then In Scene 'Closet Motion-Sensor' Set 'Closet Light Dimmer' 50% (On Level) Wait 15 seconds Set 'Closet Light Dimmer' Fade Down Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Thanks, Clarence