lilyoyo1

In a marketing sense (and short term), I do agree with you. In a financial sense, long term they need to take it to scale. I'm quite sure they realize that

Did you update the scene AND controller?

I agree. However, I'm hard pressed to see them talking about scalability without realizing those expanding it in that manner will not want more from their system long term. Those are the ones who become power users.

I could be wrong. Just can't imagine 2 separate lines doing the same thing..... especially considering the close price point. For now, I can imagine they do want to keep the new line separate to build its own separate customer base. With the chip shortage, I'm sure that also allows them to somewhat control sales as it limits the Customer base. Right now, the more hands it gets in the better. A new user may buy 2-5 products to try things out while a power user may buy 20-50. Yes they sell more at once, but the product doesn't get in more houses this way. Once the line matures and availability grows, I could see opening it to power users. It definitely has to mature first before taking on power users. Judging by the comments here and homeseer forum, we are a demanding bunch. Can't see people being happy long term while there are limits to the line.

Bulb or Hub? There's no smart bulb. They do have a new hub which is the Nokia Smart Lighting Bridge. Bottom left next to engraving

I'm just speculating on things not speaking as what is or will be. How ironic people complain about them not doing something new but then have a problem with the new because they want things to stay the same. Even if they did stop selling the old line, as long as they are made compatible what's the problem? Your devices do not instantly stop working just because they no longer sell them so I'm not understanding your argument. Them ending a line for something newer happens in all facets of life. Even then, no one is saying you need to tear your stuff out and replace No company guarantees the same product will look the same or be made the same for the rest of anyone's life. This is why cellphones, cars, laptops, tablets, TV's, etc. constantly change and refresh their looks. Many people remodel (or buy new) their homes at least once in 10-15 years time....but insteon shouldn't move forward with their design and leave the old behind? That doesn't make sense.

The underlying insteon code is still the same. They can be manually linked to older devices which means they can be linked via software as well (once software supports the new devices). They can continue with both lines. One for existing users and the other for newer users. In time, I do feel the old line will disappear as the new line matures...I hope it does to be honest. There's a huge difference between lines and I don't see the point in continuing with the old forever. Once the new line matures, a few years grace period would suffice for main devices. Accessory devices such as motion sensors and plug in modules could be moved over immediately

They have the path they want to take. Its akin to anyone who buys something- they want to put their own stamp on it. This is why I say the new line is a bridge tot he future. The insteon code is still the same. While their focus is on the new line, they are aware old customers will want to use the new stuff as well. This is where existing current popular offerings come into play (I'm assuming). Get existing lighting working with the new app which gives a person the chance to upgrade their lighting to the new line as their budget sees fit. Judging by the difference between the old and new, it's definitely worth the upgrade. Hell, if they open things up to where 3rd party can support it, I'd be willing to upgrade to them vs C4 like i plan to for now

Its insteon regardless of name. I see it being more of a bridge to their future vs the death of the old line.

Information about your system would really be helpful to assist in determining whats going on. Whats your firmware and UI Did you recently update your isy? If not then nothing could have changed. If you did update your firmware,what was your previous firmware and what did you update to? Did you check the batteries?

It'll work if manually linked to a device. They can be add to the Isy but it shows as an unsupported device since the firmware isn't in the Isy database. The isy will control the devices but device status doesn't update. Ditto for the new hub with insteon devices. It'll recognize what you add, just can't link them with Nokia devices and no status if manually controlled. The devices does have upgradeable firmware. One thing the article left off is the switches can be either a dimmer or a relay

Haven't had time to test the upgrade procedure so I can't answer most of your questions. However, Isy uses the secure port which is why https works but not http

No, it does not work at this time due to Polisy not supporting zwave yet. You'll need the module. There is no timetable for when zwave will be available They've recently opened Polisy to public testing for insteon so it's some ways off. There is no such thing as Canadian zwave. Canada uses the same US frequency (North American). Schlage is notoriously difficult to work with compared to other zwave devices but it does work.

With the personalities here, they'd spend more time on forum stuff than things that really matter.

Remove and re-add as MSII

That's how I usually go about thingsc because I don't like the time limit between searches

The point i was making is that most people don't bother to search or read anyways so it doesn't matter. They simply create a new post to get their answer. Many posts goes off the subject matter but usually the first few posts have the needed info. It's not uncommon for a poster to claim they searched for hours looking but couldn't find anything, yet- 3 posts below theirs is the same exact issue previously been asked and answered

Use the launcher from the 5.3 upgrade post

No point in renaming old threads. Judging by the multitude of repeat posts on the same topics, no one reads/searches for past posts anyway. Now that UDI has transitioned to the next era of Polisy, a new subforum for it should be set up

Did you clear Java cache

Give it time

You mean the same way everything we do now has gone backwards. (outside of tech)

I'm not talking about what you use. I'm talking about what you speak on

Can you copy and paste it as I don't see it. This way it can be corrected so others are no confused as well by incorrect information. This is what I see

You don't have to be moved by my argument but that doesn't decrease the validity of it. If it mattered to the degree you say it does, it would be used in that manner. Consumers would flock to those that do issue updates. Reality tells a different story. People still use zwave and buy products from companies that haven't utilized that ability. I'm not saying ota is irrelevant, only that it's overrated and not as important to people as it seems. If you like catchy buzzwords then yes it matters greatly. The same thing with encryption. Zwave has it but how many people use it? They'll try it, see the speed and remove it. All in all, those are things that matter to power users and companies know this. The lack of updates simply proves the general public doesn't care and they know that as well so they ignore it. Encryption is a great on paper but in real life, sucks for lighting. If my stuff is going out on the internet like a wifi switch then yes I want encryption. But if you have to walk up to my house, stand outside to hack my lights only turn them off and on then I'll pass. Speed is more important. I'm not saying instoen shouldn't do anything because of hue. You're harping on i stein not doing stuff but give zwave a pass for not doing the same. I'd shut up if you had the same arguments against zwave that you do for insteon. You rail on a single company for not doing A-Z but give a consortium a pass for not doing the same. Looking at the market, if I were to produce something, bulbs is the last thing I'd produce. Outside of a couple of companies, it's a race to the bottom. Your argument is from the outside in without any information about the inside. Its like all these people trying to tell the President what he should do when they've never attending a briefing in their life. I know I'm not privy to a lot but i do know alot about the inside happenings. Knowing where the company was vs where it's at now, is huge. This isn't a situation where they bought a perfect company. They had to do a lot of house cleaning. The same with producing new stuff. You see the journey UDI is on. True development takes time when your not simply forking someone else's work for your needs or a multi billion dollar company able to throw millions at a project