lilyoyo1

Here we go again... You know much more than you realize

I think you meant to quote the op. I already know the level is more than 35 devices

I wouldn't believe marketing materials from a mfg about another

For me, a high rate of failure compared to others is a good indicator that the environment itself may be the issue. Since you've provided no details, we can't say for certain. While ge feels cheap, they generally last as long as other mfg.

I found this wiki page which details what to do. https://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=Polisy:User_Guide

It's not a problem for me. The Node server potentially could. However, I'm referring to the built in controls that the isy has already

I wish they would add an annual button to the Isy so it wouldn't take this amount of program. Just set the date range like normal and click. Then every year it triggers

That hasn't been updated since the matter board isn't out yet. Those with pre orders should receive there's in the next few weeks. At that point, instructions will probably be updated for it. I suspect it'll be the same as from the 300 to 500 board. Backup and restore

What are you talking about? There's no subscription to use the isy. Take the time to learn your system (especially if installing for others) and you'll know exactly what you're paying for. The ONLY subscription that you would pay for with UDI is the portal which gives you remote access to your Isy in addition to allowing you to connect ifttt, Google and Alexa. If you do not need any of those, then you do not need a portal subscription.

The isy994 is discontinued so there wouldn't be updates. Reality is; it's a 10+ years old controller and support for it has ended (outside of security updates)...ditto for the PG2 version that you're running. You're complaining about a free unsupported product that's been discontinued in regards to rpi. The forums are a great place for support. The fact that you haven't posted about having issues or seeking help on here in 2 years is all on you nor can it be as difficult as you say....after all you found the time for your post but not ask basic questions. Direct support takes a couple of quick steps. I just signed up for a new account and it took less than a minute. If it's that hard then how important is it to you to receive executional care? Those steps are there to enhance your experience to help you....but they can't do that if you're not willing to help yourself. I've used every update since 5.xxx came out with minimum issues. Over time some stuff was broken due to bugs but subsequently fixed. In regards to update notifications, one just has to read. There's a notify via email button on the current release page which will email you anytime there's an update. No one is here to convince you to buy anything. Buy it because you want it and the ecosystem. If how they operate is not to your standards, then there are other systems out there...

They do. That's why it was on presale before eisy. It can also work with eisy.

Stay with what you have. Insteon will still work

Both use the exact same software as the isy994 so there isn't much to "learn" about a new system. Besides that, you do not have to upgrade to a new system... Take polisy for example. It's been out for 3 years and yet your current 994 still operates fine. Ditto for these new systems. Because technology itself makes things obsolete, UDI can't support older hardware forever if they want to stay relevant. No one is forcing anyone to upgrade unless they want or desire to take advantage of newer technologies and or capabilities. If you don't want to do so, then your current system will work fine for you for years to come.

It's not that big of a deal. Polisy and eisy will continue to be supported in tandem in addition to being able to accomplish the same things. There are a few things eisy can do that polisy can't (it has an HDMI port) but overall for most people it's the same. If you wait long enough, there will be an eisy 2. Unfortunately the days of a 10 year controller are probably over with.

Yup!

That's how it will work.

I'm confused. Insteon wouldn't be communicating in that way. You're not reading my statements for context. Nothing I'm saying has anything to do with whether or not UDI is supporting matter as it has already been established as such nor about how matter itself works. Ive already read countless articles about matter in addition to attending every developer webinar they have. This is why I've stated countless times, that Matter can accomplish what the op asked if all parties implement matter fully. The reason why I state no one knows is simply because mfg have not has stated what capabilities they will support other than saying they'll support matter. Some things can be assumed can from mfg. press releases (including their history) and device type. For example, a wifi based system such as wemo will be simple devices due to the nature of their setup and system type. Others such as hue will be controllers (even if they meet the router conditions). There's a lot of fluff but details are sorely lacking in regards to matters existence you are correct. However, the big 3 decided to work together so that things would be more fluid with their systems. They were looking more at consumer complaints in regards to integrations within their world vs people wanting fully automated homes from the likes of UDI and other advanced controllers. This was about self preservation for themselves not the automation world as a whole. Can we benefit. Of course. But big picture, it's not about us overall.

Read for context. Immediately preceding the statement you copied, I stated "No one can answer anything because no one knows. It will take every mfg implementing matter in such a way that everyone can communicate together." Taken in totality, the line has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Matter itself would be successful (which is why I didn't use that word). I was referring to everyone implementing things in full. IE: if UDI is open to other devices via matter but others aren't, then cross platform access will not happen.

Insteon is planning on making their new hub matter compatible so they wouldn't need polisy for that. Only polisy (or those desiring to use UDI as their controller) would need Polisy to integrate insteon with matter. In both cases, the insteon hub. And polisy would simply be a bridge to the greater system. In regards to advanced controllers, Matter wasn't designed for them. However, as technology goes, they have to follow in order to remain relevant. Imagine looking for a controller as a new uniformed user. With Matter being the "Next big thing", would they purchase an Isy if they couldn't use it with Matter? Besides, the Isy doesn't work with every single device out there. Depending on what UDI does, this could be a way of supporting more devices without needing to wait for native control via a noderserver. Why wouldn't there be a need to use insteon with matter if starting fresh? If I could use my insteon keypad to turn on my hue bulbs and change colors, why wouldnt i want that vs needing to use other alternatives? There are plenty of things that can be done outside of the Isy world. You just have to be able to see past that.

Where did i ever mention anything about whether Matter would fail or succeed. Hue may implement matter in such a way that their devices are exposed to a controller but if you use the hue app, it'll only work with their stuff (in this case it's a bridge). Alexa and Google can now pull all of your devices that are in the Isy to be used with their systems (if you allow). Why would that change in the future when polisy (and eisy) will be matter capable? Their hardware is already Matter capable. As I've stated many times (including my post you linked to) no one knows because it's not out yet. Things can be devices, bridges, controllers, or routers. All with differening capabilities. Until it's out, it's impossible to say what can be done, with what, and how. it comes down to how each mfg. implements things (including UDI). If everyone opened their system up to being a router, then yes, it would be possible based on what is said about border routers. However, it still comes down to how it's implemented.

How many logic based controllers are there now? It's not like companies are rushing to make logic based controllers now. Why would matter change that? UDI has already stated their intentions are to support matter. HA, homeseer, and hubitat has done the same as well. People want voice assistants and the logic they offer is usually more than enough for most people. As I've stated for the last few years, this stuff isn't designed for us anymore. They are designed for mass users. The avg user who may want to control a few things but not have to invest a large amount of time and money into it. Look at who was pushing Matter in the first place and why!

No one can answer anything because no one knows. It will take every mfg implementing matter in such a way that everyone can communicate together. If anyone leaves something out then the whole system fails. We can't say how something will work until things are released because we don't know what other mfg. have in store with their systems. For example, when homekit came out, it was promised that any homekit enabled system app could control any other homekit capable device. The problem was; only a few companies fully adopted homekit. Most made their devices discoverable by other homekit devices. Their app just wouldn't do the controlling of other brands. This led apple to creating their own app. The same thing could potentially happen with thread. Since they haven't really given details on how things will be, no one can say. Anything anyone says (including myself) is conjecture, wishful thinking, or dreadful thoughts. How devices communicate with one another is irrelevant to the overall discussion. It doesn't matter if it's ZigBee, thread, wifi, insteon or zwave. The controller (in this case it would be polisy) sends out the command using the relevant form of communication. No difference with now. The Isy can communicate with IP based devices, zwave, and insteon devices without issue. The matter board is ZigBee/thread so it would be able to do the same with both using the chipset they've chosen. Insteon doesn't use ZigBee but when I turn my hue lights on from the switch, my hue lights turn on. Why? Because the isy talks to the hue hub which in turn talks to the hue devices. Ditto for my zwave. They don't talk insteon but my lights will turn on if i walk in from of a sensor. This is because zwave board picks up the zwave signal, tells Polisy which then communicates to the insteon devices via the PLM. What's so difficult in the same being done with other Matter devices? HA can currently scan the Isy and pick up the devices that the isy has. Ditto for the isy with hubitat via it's Node server. I'm not sure why people think it's far fetched to think that the same can't be done with Matter. Once again; It will take all parties implementing things fully and properly. But....until it's released and being used, no one can say what will happen and how it can work.

I cannot. There's been numerous threads over the past 6 months or so about it. Too much to take the time to dig through for specific information. UDI chose the path that they did to enable future matter support. If everything and everyone does what matter claims then there will be cross communication. No difference with how I stein devices can work with voice assistants without using an insteon hub. As I stated earlier, no one knows exactly how matter will work so no one can say what exactly will happen. It could be a situation like homekit where apple created an ecosystem that had certain capabilities but most manufacturers did not take advantage of it. Until it's released And UDIs board is finalized, how everything will interact together is up in the air.

That's what the Matter/zwave board is for. In essence, the Isy/polisy is a hub. Using the matter board with polisy/eisy, you'll be able to take advantage of what matter has to offer (depending on how everyone designs their system around matter). Insteon is creating their new hub for Matter to be used for their own ecosystem. No different than current UDI users being able to use Alexa/Google withouut the insteon hub

If you have the 300 zwave board in your Isy then you need to stay where you are. If no zwave board or the 500 board, whatever shows up under the current release (software releases &updates) tab for the Isy (i believe 5.3.4)