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Depends on device. He'd have to check with the mfg. There is no consistency to zwave behavior

If it's hardwired then it's no longer a battery operated device.

It's probably firmware that has not been released yet. Plus I'm assuming he's referring to their own board

This is the best news right here

Yes with an adapter

I'm glad i could help. Polisy currently uses S0 security when adding locks. There is no issues with adding locks that I've seen to polisy so you'd be able to add to either of them. I have a contact as I'm a qolsys dealer. While I'll still use the elk for specific use cases, qolysys is about 95% of what i do now. Security doesn't necessarily need to be a major part of automation. The only thing I'd want it for is to enable/disable my alarm system when I come and go. The good thing with qolsys is that you can use your phones Bluetooth connection to disable the system when you come home (that's what I do). For those without a system, I'll use the locks with it as well so that the system can lock the doors and close the garage doors too.

What switch? Insteon hardwired devices require a neutral. The minimum load I believe is 5w. The only device that uses power from a bulb is the 2 wire dimmer which I believe requires a minimum 25w. I could be wrong since I haven't dealt with that particular module in ages. I highly doubt it would work properly with your transformer

I'm referring to qolsys being the primary. The locks will add to the ish (if it's a secondary but will not update.

Things may have changed since I've last looked into it but I'm not aware of any alarm system that can be used as a secondary controller. Due to the nature of the product, all want to be the primary. Once polisy supports S2 encryption, you may be able to get your locks to show up in polisy (at least i hope so).

Do you have a link to that article? Secondary controllers are great for large or spread out systems. If you have an avg home with a typical install, 1 centralized controller would be better. To put things into perspective, my old house was 5400 Sq ft and I was able to use a single controller with all of my devices (about 40-50). There is no documentation as each system has their own way of doing things. Some will only be a primary and can't be used as a secondary. Some will not pass on security keys to track secure devices such as locks. Because each has their own stipulations, you'll have to look through each manual of your chosen system and/or talk to them (which they probably won't help with anyway). The why you'd use a secondary controller is simple. If you have a large home with devices on opposite ends, it would be cheaper to have 2 controllers than fill in the gap with unnecessary additional devices just to communicate with each other. Second reason is a large system. Zwave controllers are limited to around 250 devices. Real world is probably half that (depends on device types). In addition, the larger the install, the slower your system will be as well as the likelihood of issues. Secondary controllers allows you to bypass those limitations while having the benefits of integrating everything under 1 controller.

I see things being like they are now with zwave except happening with other devices. Ie: turn switch A on matter hub relays signal to switch B to turn on.

Since there isn't much info out about eisy, Google will default to what it knows. In time, that would change

What are you talking about? I said that they stated that they are adding matter to their next hub. Any device that's able to connect to it would be able to work with it. You literally stated that's what they needed in your previous post (in response to my statement) and now you're saying that you don't see how that would work. How would the insteon hub be any different than Polisy or eisy being the gateway?

No different than how polisy connects to HA,habitat, and hue. It's able to do so and pick up those devices without issue. Ditto for Alexa, Google and homekit. All of them do so now in some capacity

Insteon's new CEO has already stated that their next hub will be able to integrate with Matter. No different than UDI making Polisy and eisy compatible with Matter

They already had articles on it that details most stuff so an NDA really doesn't apply at this point. It goes without saying- everything that insteon currently does the Nokia line does as well. There are no changes. The new capabilities include the ability to update the firmware (via the hub), set the low level trim on the dimming function, and use each device as a dimmer or a relay. The main things that attract me to it is the huge step forward in build quality. Not only do they look much better, they also feel better to the touch. They're much quieter in operation and dim LEDs exceptionally well. Not as good as lutron sunnata dimmers but for the price, there's a day and night difference.

Depends on your definition of first. Smart things, insteon hub, revolv, Lowe's iris, homeseer, wemo, hue, nest, and indigo all supported Alexa before UDI. The having to tell (chosen device) was a limitation of early APIs and less a UDI (or any other company) issue. UDI did do a fantastic job of subsequent upgrades to each api version

Matter won't be in the insteon protocol itself but part of the new hub which then talks to the devices. I know they were stocking up on the nokia stuff so they do have a starting point. It's just whether or not they are able to sell them and build upon that. I'd actually be willing to use the Nokia line. They're fantastic. In fact, in my test room, I'm still using them. By renaming them, they could at least have some separation to the original insteon company. Either way, they have a long road ahead. I think new stuff gives them the best chance overall. For clarity- when I say nokia- I'm only saying that to differentiate between the old and new stuff. Not the state of their deal.

I've used lifx for a couple of things around the house. While i like the multiple colors, I'm not a fan of them overall. I've replaced the 2 that I have in less than a year with both times taking much longer than it should've (the first took 9 months). Great color and brightness though. I'm still with my hue though

I don't think we'll see a unified standard per se from the early generation devices. Over time, things could potentially get better as (if) lessons are learned and applied. Most likely matter will not be able to integrate disparate devices in such a way that they operate in unison. It May be possible with those devices that use thread directly but not when mixed with other technologies such as insteon, zwave, ZigBee, or clear connect. Everyone has invested too much into their chosen ecosystems to simply abandon their technology. Even with the Isy - commands are sent out to the individual protocols one at a time vs simultaneously. It's fast but still distinct separation. @upstatemikeBecause of unnecessary complications with automation, I doubt Matter will accomplish that any more than what's currently possibly with Alexa/google. Automation vs control is part of our world, not necessarily theirs. Having a controller such as Polisy or eisy can deliver the automation that matter probably lacks. Most people think what we do is cool but want simplicity. They feel it's too complex. In a sense, we'd get the best of both worlds since we matter has the control while UDI has the automation. The fact that they don't talk about these types of details leads me to believe that automation and simultaneous communication across platforms will not be present. @Dub aka WHaas Early on, I think older devices will be released. Depending on timeframe for new devices, this could be their doom. If new customers were buying insteon like that, they wouldn't be in this position now. Couple that with all those they've already lost means a smaller customer base to to work with. With their recent history- i just don't see newbies flocking to use their technology.

I don't think anyone is strongly against matter on here to cause a huge debate like some other subjects. Those who speak out against it aren't doing so because they hate it. They do so because of broken promises as well as the unknown. We've all heard the rhetoric from other "standards" and what it will do for automation, only for it to fall significantly short. In the case of matter, there's a lot of fluff but significant details are lacking. Unlike zwave vs insteon debates, matter debates comes down to those claiming it's the best thing since sliced bread( without any substance) and those who are hesitant to get excited due to the lack of details. I fall into the latter category. With the lack of details on how it improves upon what i have, i don't see the point (from an advanced controller standpoint) other than being able to connect to devices that i may or may not be able to connect to already. To me it's like the "Emperor's new clothes story". Sounds wonderful but with zero details, there's nothing to see

Thats what I was saying. No upgrades to the 994. All new features are for polisy and eisy. @Michel Kohanim can correct me if im incorrect but there's a separate (add-on)board for polisy that supports matter as well (in addition to what eisy has)

Michel has been talking about a Matter board for Polisy as well as for eisy. I highly doubt anything will come for the 994 since both of those replace the 994 (nor does 994 integrate with polyglot V3). The new insteon hub would connect to Matter (was the plan for Nokia) and not directly to insteon devices

Different article with the same information

You'll have to decide the best option for yourself going forward as all current offerings fall short of insteon in some manner. It would be best to try out a couple of devices in a room to see if the Pros and cons of each one are something you want to deal with. There are people here switching to zwave, wifi, Lutron, and hybrid systems. Insteon was purchased and the new owners are looking to get products to the market (no timeframe announced) so some will probably stay with insteon. Since the 994 is no longer receiving new features, it doesn't make any sense to start with that system. I would go with Polisy or wait for the new eisy system coming out. Since you seem to have a personal relationship with Michel, I would speak to him offline about that one. That way you're not asking him to divulge what can be potential privileged information on an open forum. Before getting started with polisy, I'd read all that you can on the polisy sub-forum page as well as Googling "polisy wiki". Both will help you with what you're asking. Once done and you start working with your actual unit, you'll be able to use the forums for additional help you may need.