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I get that. I prefer hard-line too but we're talking 15 + years from now. Whatever wire we run today for someone won't benefit the buyer today. By the time anyone catches up, it won't be worth the extra cost

The 6a isn't nearly as bad as 7^. No special pieces either for fiber. Seeing how things are moving, I'm hard pressed to see the need for installing anything higher than 6a for future proofing. I wouldn't waste money on anything more than 6a. By the time we get to where it's needed, the cables would probably need to be replaced anyway or the home would be gutted for a remodel. At that point, put in cat 25 or super duper fiber. Lol. Hell, everything will probably be wireless at that point anyway

Cat 6 is good. I use Cat 6a on my jobs though

I personally prefer insteon over zwave for lighting and zwave for everything else. Regardless of whatever other issues I've had with zwave, I can't get past the popcorn effect it has when turning off/on (1 device at a time). I've used insteon in many projects throughout Orange county. Many were condos and apartments. All ran without issue. Still do. There's 1 building off the 55 specifically that has multiple units on the same floor with insteon and none has called about any issues yet. That's not to say you wouldn't, just letting you know it's possible. If you're fully renovating and redoing the wiring, there are steps you can take (which I would do regardless of which system) to lessen the chance of issues. The main thing is to properly plan from the start so that you aren't throwing things at the wall hoping they'll stick.

Perfect example

My very first words were clarity is in the eyes of the beholder, implying what's clear to some may not be for others. Due to your background, how you read things may be and probably is different than those without such background. It's like when I was in boot camp. The Drill Sergeants talked about those accustomed to hunting would have a harder time on the range than those who didn't (they were right). Programming the isy is a different beast than programming systems or coding. They have to make it so that a person with no programming knowledge can use it. Due to this, those with a programming background have a harder time grasping the different nuances that comes with the Isy. Unfortunately when it comes to examples, there are way too many variables and ways to accomplish a task without causing confusion. Have you seen the isy cookbook? It may have some examples of things that you may come across in the future. https://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=Main_Page#ISY_Cookbook

In addition to what MrBill said, I would add a wait to the then command. I do this with my ceiling fans so that they arent triggered due to a temporary temperature change. Its not needed but its helped prevent my fans from cycling on and off for no reason.

I think clarity is in the eyes of the beholder and how they choose to interpret something. My wife is my guinea pig on simplicity. As smart as she is with her line of work, when it comes to this stuff; it might as well be in farsi. Anyhow, I wrote a quick line that said from 7pm to 5am the next day then turn on the light. Her interpretation (without explantion) of 7pm to 5am the next day was the light would be on from 7 at night until 5 in the morning. When I asked how she figured that, her response was the next day starts at midnight. People's minds work differently. For some, a new day begins when they wake up or the sun comes up. However when it comes to time itself, a new day starts at midnight. The same for the week. I know many (due to work schedules) who look at a new week starting on Monday vs Sunday. They know when the week truly starts but in their mind it starts on Monday. I think this may be the same situation that you are in. You're processing the next day as when you wake up vs Midnight when a new day actually starts.

In addition, did you recently update your ISY from 4.0 branch to the 5.0 branch

You can't send a double tap from the iolinc unless you physically press the button on the side. You could use variables to keep track of how many times a switch is turned on to trigger programs.

While I know you're trying to be smart, you'd be surprised to find how many people actually take to blunt people. You're more then welcome to call me out. I'm not sensitive like some people. If I don't agree with something then I don't agree. I have no problems voicing my opinion and will continue to do so. As I've stated many times before, I want to hear other sides. While, I may come across very strong in staying my cases, its not that I'm trying to drown out a person's thoughts. I'm simply sharing my own. Just like you feel it's your duty to jump in and defend those you feel are being taken advantage of, I feel the same when I see incessant crying and complaining about things but an unwillingness to do something to help fix what one thinks is broken. Even in looking at this post. While some thought I was trying to be an A (which I wasn't)...in giving suggestions to go along with the complaints, Michel was able to take note of what people wanted and hopefully his response means UDI will make improvements.

I'm the same way. I'm actually alot more blunt in person than online. At least when I'm typing I can clean up a few times what first came to mind.

I completely agree. I miss the days of our debates (since you want to agree with me all the time now) when we could disagree without taking it personal and expand how we both see things

Backups are stored on your computer

I keep my folder logic simple. If it's about time, I schedule the folder to be active during the time the program will be active. This allows any waits or other conditions to process. Many simply separate what happens based on different conditions which makes it easier to track different programs

I love how the person that cried about someone calling them out is the very person that tries to be smart and passive aggressive while throwing shade at everyone else. Many of the otherwise smart people on this forum actually read manuals and such which is part of how they learn things. Besides that everyone's brain works differently in how they process information. This is why some things appear easy to some while difficult to others. What udi had in mind when designing the portal may be completely different than what the end user has it for and use. In seeing that the portal allows you to use 1 account to handle a multitude of Isy's, I can see why they didn't use the account page itself for that information and put it with the Isy you choose directly. While most users may have 1 isy (which would make it easy for them on the account page)there are many with 2 or 3. That's not taking into account installers who could possibly have many more. By the way, under the license, it does give you the exact information that you said it should ask for.

I'm not understanding the point you're making While the folder itself doesn't use or else the program itself can along with variables and anything else you want to use in a program within the conditions you set for that folder.

I see it as a feature as well and utilize it often. If I need to test something, Its a simple matter of moving it out of the program, testing, and dropping it back in

I actually wasn't trying to be a smartass in my post. The fact is, if you have a complaint then a suggestion would be nice from your standpoint. If udi did change it, there is no guarantee the change would make things simpler for you. By adding a suggestion, you now offer insight to what you feel could work better for yourself and others. I tend to read manuals before asking questions, so navigating through things generally isn't an issue. However I realize many don't. With that said, Criticism is 1 thing but adding a suggestion can make a world of difference when it can help you and others so that something is improved properly vs making a change that does nothing to improve user experience. For someone who complains so much about what someone says to them, you sure have no problems with what you say.

Thats a good suggestion @larryllix. It's nice when people can offer ideas for improvement vs simply saying something is bad.

How could they make it clearer for people? What are your suggestions? When I renewed mine the first time, I found it in the wiki without any issues along with pictures that showed where (same link from above). Outside of renaming the wiki to ISY full instruction Manual, I'm not sure how simple it could be without putting individual links for everything on the home page (which would be even worse

That's actually a poor method of finding out information. In order to know that type of information, you'd need to be constantly querying devices which would put unnecessary load on your system slowing the whole thing down tremendously (depending on frequency and number of devices). This will affect your actual use of the system much greater than an unresponsive device. If your circuit breakers are popping like that, you need to fix the problem not put a bandaid on it

What's the Crux of your problem? Once you hit midnight a new day begins hence the next day statement. You refuse to post your program so we can't help figure out what's going on so there's not much more we can do until you either explain the full situation of what you're trying to do and post what you have

The last thing you want to do is add unnecessary complexity to a simple program because you are uncertain. What happens during certain hours is based off of what you want to happen. From time >to time will run the if and or else if that what you set If time is from 10p to 6a the next day Then turn light on Or else turn light off. That will run the then at 10p and the or else at 6a If you add extra parameters to the if, then they'll trigger during certain hrs. If time is from 10p to 6a the next day AND motion is switched on Then turn light on wait 2min Turn light off Personally, I separate my off program from my on. This allows me to potentially have other programs running without needing to disable anything