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I doubt 2 plms together would cause any issues since the one being used would be processing any commands at any given moment. If anything, i could see the software's causing conflict since both can run commands concurrently causing collisions. With him using the Isy, I would take @MrBilladvice, get rid of houselinc, and move everything to the Isy

Post your programs. Also firmware and UI of your Isy

I now only do new construction on high end homes. It's where the money is. These are the people with more money than time. They'd rather pay a premium to get something done than use their free time to set up stuff themselves. Due to the size and type of the homes, my material costs are much higher by default. The sheer amount of wire along with needing higher quality stuff equals more money once mark up is added to that total. The sheer scope of a single job means less running around to different job sites which also increases . I make more off equipment and materials alone than i did for an installation in a standard home. This is why I say the ROI is greater. Here's a couple of the houses I'm doing now

So you complain when they don't have something but then complain when they do get it! Either you just want to complain or there's simply nothing they can do right for you to be happy. In regards to Chevy and Corvettes, you do realize this isn't the 70s & 80s anymore and times have changed don't you? Just like with automation stuff, people have spoken. Chevy only has 1 model sedan and the Camaro is discontinued after 2023. No more saving to buy a Corvette. Either buy a truck/SUV or get a Corvette. Why!? No one is buying them. Sure, you have enthusiasts who are in love with certain cars, but there just isn't enough of them to warrant the time, money, and effort in design, testing, and building. Ford is doing the same. They've already said they'll no longer build sedans. This is the business world we live in. You can complain and rant all you want but there's no changing that. Either adapt with the times or it's going to leave you behind.

It's not that they don't care about end users. Power users are not their priority anymore. Their focus is on mass market since that's where the money is. That's the nature of business. Companies follow the money. If someone called me to run wires and install a stand alone camera system, mount TV's, alarm system, or program some remotes (individually), I'd turn them down. Why? There's no money in it. I used to do those things but as things have progressed, there's other avenues to take which has a greater ROI. That's where Insteon is with things. What it costs to continuously release new product, bring new features, and stock a wide range of low selling products to keep people happy simply isn't worth the cost. They make more overall by selling to the masses who simply want to turn stuff on and off versus having a single switch do 20 different things

They can be manually linked to existing products. They can't be linked via software at this time since none supports both.

Previous updates has said so In the past.

Dealers get a monthly update

The process has changed. That's the new process. Creating a portal account is free, quick and simple

This is insteon's focus during this global chip shortage. Their new line is geared towards mass market with no changes to the insteon line. Overall, there is a lesser focus on power users than it is for mass market adoption.

I use Insteon motion sensors to turn my under bed lights on/off during the night without any issues at all. Been working great since the Isy could add them (including beta units)

You'd need to upgrade your Isy firmware to 5.0.16c to use that device. Make sure you read the full instructions should you decide to upgrade before starting to avoid any issues

If you're referring to control 4 then yes. Lutron- not exactly. Not like the isy does. Ra2 doesn't support other 3rd party stuff outside of some thermostats. However it can be added to other systems. C4 can integrate with much much much more than the isy. There are people using C4 systems with zwave and ra2 switches. Some use tp link plug-in modules. But can be integrated and more. Ra2 and C4 are not diy/hobbyist systems like the Isy. They are professional level gear designed specifically for their equipment. However it's the integrator that would be doing the work so what the system can do would be up to them

I'm not understanding your question

No there is not. Zwave doesn't work like that. Even if there was, you'd be spending more time trying to avoid the issue than it would take making a back up and restoring

None will really try to cater to power users. Products will simply be adapted by power users for their needs. Power users and wanna be power users cost too much. They are always looking for more and more. This means sinking money into R&D for new products that gives limited ROI. There's no comparison between voice assistants and hardware. They aren't in tune with power users needs. Just giving people what they may want. What they are capable of it's much different than a switch maker. One is cloud based software while the other is hardware. It's much easier to be fluid with cloud based stuff than hardware of anytime. Besides that, every single house in this country built has wall switches. Power users, hobbyists, and techies may want a bunch of features but the avg person just wants them to turn on, off, and dim. As long as they do that right, they don't care about anything else. Lutron won't flounder because of caseta as they are simply offering caseta as a low priced offering. It's an after thought for them. Their focus is on the high end market which is actually growing for them, makes more money, and less work. It's those types of sentiments which makes companies move away and stay away from this segment. You know who doesn't care about those things? The avg person which is who Caseta was made for. All Lutron has to do is make sure it can work with the voice assistants and it'll be ok. If not, they'll just disco it and focus on the rest of their lines while they keep making money.

Right now the MSII not completely disco'd. Eventually however, it will be replaced by a newer version.

Must be a light sleeper. ?

It's what I've been saying for a while now

Been tired of it. I've heard that since 2013

That's the beauty of the Isy. It can allow you to integrate different things together which allows you to accomplish what you want

Having better range but limited device line makes it a non starter for me. Plus having the support behind it for true integration matters as well. As it stands today, I can see LoRa being great for hobbyists and commercial applications but not really for the avg consumer or residential installer

C4 is much more than the tablet/app. Its up to the installer how capable the system becomes. Most installers (myself included) do limit the system to being a control system due to potential issues of something not working properly for whatever reason. To be honest, that's what most customers want. There is some automation but it's very limited to things such as lights turning off when a movie starts or lights turning on when a person comes home. Most things are timer based, app or voice controlled. The system is much more capable than that...Most installers simply limit it for customer satisfaction. In my house I'll go all out as I can do my own troubleshooting. In someone else's, i wouldn't do have of what I do. But that's why we have the diy market. For those who want to do all the extras. They can take things as far as they want to their hearts content

There are bad installers for a variety of reasons. Some try to give the customers what they want due to budget reasons. This is wrong because not having enough devices spread throughout properly does effect performance. Or they'll try to do too much, which just like modern luxury cars tend to constantly have issues. It could also be an installer putting it in a known bad environment so they can get paid. For example, I had a customer building a 5 story house in Newport beach on a hillside. This was a mostly stone house with lots of thick marble floors. My partner there does homeworks and Crestron so that's who I bought in. While the customer preferred C4 I knew he'd have nothing but problems due to the nature of the house. Why deal with constant service calls etc. All money isn't good money. The homeowner hated the extra cost but appreciated the fact that I didn't go that route.

C4 is dealer only and not a diy product. and its own ecosystem. I install it and it's wonderful. From my experience most bad installs are due to dealer error (various reasons) vs the actual product. ZigBee is great within it's ecosystem. Problems arise due to the diy market. People do not take the time to understand what they are working with and blame poor product/protocol, or poor investment instead of looking at themselves. This isn't just with ZigBee but all protocols. We see it most often here with Zwave (though that has its own issues in itself). In the consumer realm, there is a problem with compatibility but that isn't an issue with Control 4 as it was designed to work as one