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AS per @Techman's post above. You run it from it's own app icon, not java console.

Second the ISY v5.3.4. It fixed a lot of small quirks.

I would do it in a flash but then I use many of the advanced features to use during programming and other features. It has been years and years since I used v4 so I am not sure what all the advancements are but decimal values are great. Maybe another user more familiar with the upgrades can chime in here. There may be some hassle to fix up a few program lines and scenes (usually highlighted in yellow) but once done it is permanent and never needs to be done again.

IIRC Michel posted a software switch that had to be enabled to use a PLM with pol/ISY, recently (about a week ago) . It seems pol/ISY installs with the PLM disabled so people can get it going without a PLM.

I am not sure what exactly is loaded down to google but it knew my whole setup when I tried to dump it. IIRC at the time I was trying to get GH to operate my devices, and after months of working fine it just wouldn't work any more. After a few months of trying everything it started to work again after giving up on GH. This happened again after several months of working and the same thing happened again. While nothing with GH worked, I tried to dissolve my account, including my google main account, as well as all my email accounts with them. When I reconnected the ISY Portal account back with GH all the devices were still there. Don't know how or why but after other AI attempts from GH to operate every device in my house I finally dumped GH and just supported my Alexa devices that didn't try to second guess my HA setup.

Mechanical thermostats on window shakers have thermal time delays built into the stats to protect themselves, usually. Not a foolproof method but it works 99.99% of the time if controlled from the knob. You want remote switching though. Run at Startup does not require program triggers to be enabled although things may have changed so testing would be the best. Not easy to test and requires rebooting your ISY unfortunately. I temporarily disable programs but it's usage should be done with care as a power interruption can leave programs locked out permanently until they are manually enabled again. Here is one technique I use to assure programs are enabled at startup. Program If [Run at startup enabled] some device is Switched On <----- switched constructs are always False unless device triggers this line Then do whatever you usually do Else enable program (self) run (then) program(self) <---- if Then run is desired

If you are trying to control a window shaker style A/C, they usually have a time delay built into the thermostat. If you are trying to control a central A/C unit you need a proper thermostat to avoid this fast cycling. You are playing with an expensive piece of equipment and a compressor starting backwards due to a mistake i programming, controls, or bad comms, can cost you a lot of money and agravation. Get a proper thermostat and control it with programs.

It appears the restore does work now, as reported in this same thread.

I found (and this is typical) that GH never forgets. IIRC I deleted all my devices, disconnected my accounts, and when I reconnected my accounts all my devices were still there and enabled. I had to create a new Google account to get rid of some of my associations. That was a few years ago now and I quit using my 3-4 GH boxes since.

For those considering a new USB PLM in Canada. aartech.ca has the USB PLM for about $104 CAD. With Smarthome's current YESTHIRTY, 30% off coupon and cheapest very slow shipping at $38 USD, the aartech.ca version is about the same price after Canadian HST taxes. This price comparison is also considering no taxes to be paid coming from US Smarthome (if you are lucky) and warranty will be very hard to claim with about $40 (your cost) for return shipping. Exchange was calculated in comparison also. The Canadian deal is much more economical and sensible. aartech.ca has always been top-notch for complaint and warranty handling. Only basic questions were asked on items in the past.

According to the theory behind event based processing no state variable will ever get evaluated or processed unless it's state changes. Without any value change or even an event that affects the value of a state variable, no CPU time is taken to even test it's value, let alone process program conditions based on their values. That is the beauty of real event based processing, such as IMHO ISY uses. OTOH there could be some extra time taken using a few hundred state variables but should be nothing for a 100's of MegaHertz clocked CPU. Modern compilation techniques and addressing schemes don't use brute force scanning techniques anymore either. ISY uses predefined addresses also. I use hundreds of state variables already. If they don't change value, nothing gets evaluated and no CPU time is taken. ISY has been done by highly educated computer people and the techniques are well documented in the computer sciences journals.

Yeah, I have w working one I depend on, and two that likely need cap replacements, but I have the same thoughts. It doesn't sound like the pol/ISY is dependable enough yet to commit to the jump. A further factor, for me, has been a raft of LAN/WAN/Router problems for the last year or two that I may have (hopefully) spent my way out of (yeah about $1K, new router, new bad mesh routers with more problems that still didn't point to my original router problems **SIGH** ) . I didn't want to mix more complications into that batch. and not be able to zoom in on bugs etc.. I guess we need to get more information about the PLM modem. Is there options? Different models? New USB PLM on the horizon? IMHO there is a new USB model being worked on, not a serial PLM. The USB PLM seems like the way to go, as we likely need to support two ISYs simultaneously. hmmm... maybe the soldering iron needs to come out in order to buy some time as SmartLabs will never announce/leak anything. This brings me to anybody managed to make some cross talk connections between pol/ISY and ISY994 so items can be moved over slowly?

That is my crystal ball guess. I doubt we will ever see a production run of Serial PLMs again. Too many clues have been dropped, including UDI's support of the USB unit. Too much hush-hush there.

He is a poster from years back using a similar name. He may not be here much longer though.

Some programs are based on being enabled and disabled by other programs and double enabling them or double disabling them will not work with a complex arbitration program(s). Including a conditional line inside each program for $sVacation or $sOccupied, makes each program clear which factors influence the program instead of hidden parameters, and forgotten programs that most people forget to maintain every time they add a new program to do something. I have been down this rabbit hole many times before and trying to be lazy while programming will almost always bite you in the bum, sooner or later. Make it obvious and clear or you will pay.

I use folder conditions also for some functions that do not get operated frequently. Some of the problems with folder conditions is that programs can get killed in the middle of an operation and leave devices, and/or variables in unknown states. Another problem with this technique is some programs may be dependent on multiple conditions and that can really confuse the logic outcome. Another problem is testing a program in a disabled folder. There was never any indication the folder is disabled when testing the program but they just do not run and you may start tearing your programs apart in desperation to repair a program or two. I created two variables called $sVacation and $sOccupied. I have programs that run only while the house is not occupied and also I am not on vacation. These are completely different functions. My HRV ventilation system does not run while on vacation but does run while not home. While on vacation my humidifier doesn't run but does while just away. While on vacation I send house alarms via both email and text message. While I am home I only have Alexa speakers announce the alarms. My $sOccupied is operated and controlled by about 13 MS units and my KPL security keypad. Mostly timers based on movement in the house just retriggers a programmable timer to a location dependent time delay. Areas close to doors count down from shorter times than internal zones where TV watching lowers the movements detected. My $sVacation variable is operated by my ecobee thermostat which is very reliable with schedules and can be set up years in advance with schedule. It is the boss. I tried it the other way but the stat is remote controllable and very reliable. Outside lights come on for later times dependent on not being on vacation but not being home. Programs just look like this (out of house but not on vacation) If $sVacation is $cFALSE <------------ permanently defined variables AND $sOccupied is $cFALSE <------------ permanently defined variable AND Whatever light is switched On Then do something Else ----

This has happenned a few times in my Tag lifetimes now. When it happens I usually attempt to view the kumoapp webpage, and then my kumoapp code. If either is not running properly, or will not serve the code to me, I know the CAO Tag server is down. In this case, waiting for the server is usually the only course of action.

Good to hear constant micro updates. I haven't made the jump yet as it means rebuilding a PLM so I can trust it and I have had so many compound LAN and modem problems that I was avoiding adding any complexity to my system before trusting other components. Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

Thanks. That is good news and much different than what we have heard in the past from these clowns. Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

I had an instance a few weeks ago where the app hung. After rebooting the tag manager and restarting my kumoapps I just gave up and left it alone. A few hours later it came back by itself. I figured that was all just the servers but the power cycle may have set the stage for things to resume, also. The tag manager can seem to take half an hour to get back up to speed at times. Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

We went through some of this with Insteon nay sayers also. However, with Insteon, many 500' away via powerline connections have been posted as successful. Insteon RF is not robust enough to achieve more than a few dozen feet of distance in a hop. With Zwave, from what I read here, people have a hard time to get it to connect further away than the next room, so I am not sure where a hacker could even make a connection without sitting on your front porch. Multi-residence buildings, and commercial constructs may be a problem in that area. If this is a low level security in the protocol, the 700 series boards may have made that difference.

Interesting! I have no Zwave equipment yet but looking from the outside so far. What is this security used for? - Security of protocol and signal integrity? - Security against outside hacking into the signal/devices? What would ISY do with the security if a bad/hacked packet arrived?

ISY takes a Zwave interface instead of the Insteon PLM. It was a plug-inside board but not sure if another dongle has become the latest interface or not. Zwave may do better with shared wiring panels. Zwave is all RF comms. You may have to just try it, using enough devices as repeaters. Get advice from experienced people here for which devices support all the latest. Zwave has been through some cheap devices in the past. Will you also have some WiFi/Router for yourself? That could present some RGBCW bulbs that you can buy cheaply now for less than $10 each.

You could have problems with signal reliability depending on how large your store is and how the wiring is done. Do you have a subpanel / breaker box for only your store?

I found it best to keep the commands simple so that everything is Alexa....turn on/off xxx lamp/light/lights The verb and adverb are always spoken first. It works best. However I just found one thing that appears to be blocked from going to ISY. "Prime" anything. The devices are always Red Lights, or Red Bedroom lights for two different rooms. Alexa knows the difference between lights and just light and lamp. Occasionally it will ask which one, and a longer distance away from the speaker always works better. When I command her, usually the Alexa Dot at the other end of the house responds.