Fan support

[oberkc]

8 hours ago, bmercier said:

The values don't make sense to me.

I had a typo in the command to set values. Could you try:

http://192.168.0.33:1026/rest/nodes/14%20A0%20A%202/cmd/DON/127

Then:

http://192.168.0.33:1026/rest/nodes/14%20A0%20A%202

You should be seeing 127 in the ST property.

Benoit

OK.  Ran the first link, then the second.  I got value=64 in the properties section.  Fan appears to be running "low" speed.

Edited June 3, 2020 by oberkc

[DaveStLou]

@bmercier I'm late to this conversation but my Fanlincs seem to be working correctly when I ask Alexa to set them to low, medium and high but don't show correctly in the Amazon Alexa app. Low shows as off. Medium and high show as on but the fan speed shows as 1 and 3 respectively.

I don't use the app much so it doesn't doesn't affect me but I thought I'd report my results.

My two z-wave fans are responding to Alexa and showing correctly in the app.

[oneklakes]

I just wanted to add that I am seeing the exact same thing as DaveStLou when looking at my Fanlincs in the Alexa app. 

Also, I've found that "spokens" work fine when triggering using an Echo or Echo Dot (Gen. 2 or 3). However, the "speed" commands do not work at all when I try to trigger them on my Echo Show. Instead that devices tries to access my Ecobee thermostat.   Very strange!

[macjeff]

I had to replace my ISY and as you may or may not know you lose all the alexa routines.

I used to have a scene for my 6 fans for each speed and the scene would set the speed.  They still work fine in the ISY but after setting up Alexa again they all go to certain speeds.   Like the spoken in Master Fan Low which turns on a scene which manually works fine using the admin console click on and it turns on low but now in Alexa it turns on high every time.  So I went online and found this.  Guess you added fan support in the last few years.

So I erased all my fan commands in alexa and turned on your new fan commands.   I am having the same issue reported by other users here.

Randomly it will say cant do that setting.   If I say the number it works but it sometime does not work.  But the numbers work more than the words do.  And 99% of the time if one fails and I try the other like word then number it will work but not if I keep trying the one not working over and over.

I tried saying stuff faster and slower and its so random I cant narrow down the issue.

I see in the forum it works for Canadians.  Maybe I need a Canadian accent, Eh?

OFF always works and ON always goes to the last known setting.  Its just set fan to low, medium or High that has a problem randomly and less of a problem with numbers 1-3.

Just wanted to report.  

Still clueless why all of a sudden I cant use the scenes the same way.  It was working fine and still works fine in the admin console.  Just alexa does her own thing.   I even tried changing the name of the scene to something like Fan Low or Low fan and both come on high from alexa but correct low from Admin console (oh and keypad buttons that activate scene do work).  And making new scenes.   I guess it was just because it was in Alexa before and now that I deleted it I cant add it again.

Any suggestions I will be willing to try.

 

 

 

[asbril]

I use Google Home for my ceiling fans, and all I did was to add the fans to Google in my ISY Portal account. With that I tell Google Home to set  Fan X to low, medium or high..... Voila, c'est tout !

[macjeff]

I have a google home but I have Alexas in every room so thats is a the way I want to go.

 

[larryllix]

1 hour ago, macjeff said:

I have a google home but I have Alexas in every room so thats is a the way I want to go.

 

Make four programs and define them as devices to Alexa.

"Alex....turn on low/medium/high fan"

"Alexa....turn off fan"

The Off program should be in the Else of a program so the Alexa "Off" command lines up. Alternatively, the Off command could be part of any of the low/medium/high programs but it will eliminate the less wording "turn off fan". 

I like to refer (run program xxxx (Else)) all Else programs to one common Off Fan program, in case somebody says

"Alexa.....turn off High Fan"

[macjeff]

1 minute ago, larryllix said:

Make four programs and define them as devices to Alexa.

"Alex....turn on low/medium/high fan"

"Alexa....turn off fan"

The Off program should be in the Else of a program so the Alexa "Off" command lines up. Alternatively, the Off command could be part of any of the low/medium/high programs but it will eliminate the less wording "turn off fan". 

I like to refer (run program xxxx (Else)) all Else programs to one common Off Fan program, in case somebody says

"Alexa.....turn off High Fan"

Great idea.  I forgot you can define a program to alexa that it treats as a scene and the on is the Then and the off is the Else!!  THANKS!!!

With that said would still love to see the defined devices work correctly but I see I am not the only one with the same issue.

[larryllix]

Just now, macjeff said:

Great idea.  I forgot you can define a program to alexa that it treats as a scene and the on is the Then and the off is the Else!!  THANKS!!!

With that said would still love to see the defined devices work correctly but I see I am not the only one with the same issue.

I avoid scenes as much as possible I prefer my ISY to know the status of devices.

[asbril]

2 hours ago, larryllix said:

Make four programs and define them as devices to Alexa.

"Alex....turn on low/medium/high fan"

"Alexa....turn off fan"

The Off program should be in the Else of a program so the Alexa "Off" command lines up. Alternatively, the Off command could be part of any of the low/medium/high programs but it will eliminate the less wording "turn off fan". 

I like to refer (run program xxxx (Else)) all Else programs to one common Off Fan program, in case somebody says

"Alexa.....turn off High Fan"

I just tried with my Alexa and I can do the same without a program. I added the fans to Alexa in ISY Portal and made sure to add them as "Fan" (not light or switch). Alexa will respond to set fan X to low, medium, high, off..... no programs. Same as with Google Home.

Edited May 7, 2021 by asbril

[macjeff]

I set t

5 minutes ago, asbril said:

I just tried with my Alexa and I can do the same without a program. I added the fans to Alexa in ISY Portal and made sure to add them as "Fan" (not light or switch). Alexa will respond to set fan X to low, medium, high, off..... no programs. Same as with Google Home.

I did the same but for some reason sometimes it says it can’t do that command.  No idea why.  Then a few min later it works.  
 

so I guess I try the programs.  

[asbril]

2 minutes ago, macjeff said:

I set t

I did the same but for some reason sometimes it says it can’t do that command.  No idea why.  Then a few min later it works.  
 

so I guess I try the programs.  

Strange. Maybe something that you should explore with @bmercier

[larryllix]

1 hour ago, macjeff said:

I set t

I did the same but for some reason sometimes it says it can’t do that command.  No idea why.  Then a few min later it works.  
 

so I guess I try the programs.  

I get that "Unknown error" or "I cannot do that" several times per day for almost everything with Alexa. A few weeks ago it appears that amazon changed the handshake style and ISY portal hasn't been fixed to match yet.

My guess is, you will have the same problem with programs handling the fan. I just prefer  the troubleshooting ability and ease of injection other logic into program control over scenes, one of the big reasons I spent the money on a HA controller, rather than just use an Insteon Hub. Scenes also provide no status feedback and ISY has to assume things operated.

Edited May 7, 2021 by larryllix

[asbril]

13 hours ago, larryllix said:

I get that "Unknown error" or "I cannot do that" several times per day for almost everything with Alexa. A few weeks ago it appears that amazon changed the handshake style and ISY portal hasn't been fixed to match yet.

My guess is, you will have the same problem with programs handling the fan. I just prefer  the troubleshooting ability and ease of injection other logic into program control over scenes, one of the big reasons I spent the money on a HA controller, rather than just use an Insteon Hub. Scenes also provide no status feedback and ISY has to assume things operated.

Maybe the solution is to ask Alexa to speak to Google Home ? ?

Edited May 7, 2021 by asbril

[larryllix]

Maybe the solution is to ask Alexa to speak to Google Home ? 

My half dozen GHs all went back into the closet.

I don't pass judgement on their personal orientation.


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[asbril]

37 minutes ago, larryllix said:

My half dozen GHs all went back into the closet.

I don't pass judgement on their personal orientation.


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Seriously, it is interesting how different people have different preferences of GH over Alexa. In some instances Alexa is better or faster, but in other instances GH offers more. I have more GH than Alexa, but over time I'll have both in each room. I like the Alexa dots with the clock and next time they have a special offer, I will get a few of these.

[MrBill]

1 hour ago, asbril said:

Seriously, it is interesting how different people have different preferences of GH over Alexa. In some instances Alexa is better or faster, but in other instances GH offers more. I have more GH than Alexa, but over time I'll have both in each room. I like the Alexa dots with the clock and next time they have a special offer, I will get a few of these.

I don't have any GH... but about 9 Alexa's.

Your sale is just around the corrner, Prime Day is back to June this year, the date hasn't been announced yet but to stay updated on Prime Day, just ask Alexa “Keep me updated on Prime Day”

[lilyoyo1]

I use both in my home. Generally, in rooms i use, it's google. In guest areas such as my mom's room, it's alexa. 

They both have their pros and cons. You can't really go wrong with either...it's whichever works best for your use

 

Edited May 7, 2021 by lilyoyo1

[larryllix]

Sister in law, residing with us at the moment, has a few GH running in her areas. Part I don't like is every time a router cuts them off, they flood the house with their own WiFi SSID signals. As time progresses, the amplitudes of their signal gets higher and higher, and they compete with real WiFi band frequencies.

For anybody wanting to see this just look for SSIDs like xxxxxx.O. When you have 4 to 5 of them as strong as your router's signal...they slow down any healing of your WLAN problems. Try a WiFi monitoring app with signal strength metering.

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Edited May 8, 2021 by larryllix

[asbril]

24 minutes ago, larryllix said:

Sister in law, residing with us at the moment, has a few GH running in her areas. Part I don't like is every time a router cuts them off they flood the house with their own WiFi SSID. As time progresses the amplitude of their signal gets higher and higher and the compete with real WiFi band frequencies.

For anybody wanting to see this just look for SSIDs like xxxxxx.O. When you have 4 to 5 of them as strong as your router's signal...they slow down any healing of your WLAN problems. Try a WiFi monitoring app with signal strength metering.

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What router are you using ?  I have 5 GH and 3 Chromecast, and a Google Wifi router. I have zero wifi  interference from the GH .

[larryllix]

5 hours ago, asbril said:

What router are you using ?  I have 5 GH and 3 Chromecast, and a Google Wifi router. I have zero wifi  interference from the GH .

I have two ASUS WiFi6 mesh routers, a NetGear router and AP, and a Cisco router/repeater and AP. When a need arises, some devices are forced to change access points or bands. When the GH speakers cannot change bands, or APs, smoothly they begin creating their own WiFi on the same band and channel, by sending out their own SSID signals (wrong action and should only happen for initial setup via an app)  and it interferes with all the routers signals somewhat. Other devices typically use BT or direct connection to avoid this problem. Alexa boxes to not turn into RF connection sources with their own SSIDs unless factory reset and then it is BT. If they cannot get connected right away, theGH WiFi  signals levels increase every few minutes until my measurements show them as higher level signals than my router antennae put out.

Have you measured or checked for the GH SSIDs to see if they are interfering or even appearing? A laptop or a cell phone can show you the signals by the names of the GH devices. Freebie apps can tell you what signal levels, band, bandwidth, security, and channel they are using.

[asbril]

8 hours ago, larryllix said:

I have two ASUS WiFi6 mesh routers, a NetGear router and AP, and a Cisco router/repeater and AP. When a need arises, some devices are forced to change access points or bands. When the GH speakers cannot change bands, or APs, smoothly they begin creating their own WiFi on the same band and channel, by sending out their own SSID signals (wrong action and should only happen for initial setup via an app)  and it interferes with all the routers signals somewhat. Other devices typically use BT or direct connection to avoid this problem. Alexa boxes to not turn into RF connection sources with their own SSIDs unless factory reset and then it is BT. If they cannot get connected right away, theGH WiFi  signals levels increase every few minutes until my measurements show them as higher level signals than my router antennae put out.

Have you measured or checked for the GH SSIDs to see if they are interfering or even appearing? A laptop or a cell phone can show you the signals by the names of the GH devices. Freebie apps can tell you what signal levels, band, bandwidth, security, and channel they are using.

I double checked, in 2 rooms and on different computers, but none of my GH appear in the list of wifi. Other than some issues with Chromecast, I have never had issues with my GH connections. While you are way more technically competent than I am, I wonder why you would have multiple (and different brands) routers, other than of course the mesh access points. 

[larryllix]

20 minutes ago, asbril said:

I double checked, in 2 rooms and on different computers, but none of my GH appear in the list of wifi. Other than some issues with Chromecast, I have never had issues with my GH connections. While you are way more technically competent than I am, I wonder why you would have multiple (and different brands) routers, other than of course the mesh access points. 

I have never had issues with my GH connections either, but most other devices have a problem when the GH speakers start flooding the area  with each and every GH device's starts producing their own WiFi signals.

Try turning your router off and check, using any device's WiFi connections list, to see every GH broadcasting their own signal and SSID. Of course, you will also begin to see every other neighbourhood router's WiFi signal, also. 

I have multiple routers and access points to make WiFi more reliable to my 85-90 WiFi devices without making my signals accessible / hackable from miles away, and also overheating the routers. I have a mesh system but many WiFi devices will not take the WiFi hiccough when they have to change between the three bands, or APs, so I have most of that feature turned off.

[asbril]

4 minutes ago, larryllix said:

GH speakers start flooding the area  with each and every GH device's starts producing their own WiFi signals.

This is what puzzles me because none of my GH show in the list of Wifi, even though the list is long (I live in a condo).

[larryllix]

3 minutes ago, asbril said:

This is what puzzles me because none of my GH show in the list of Wifi, even though the list is long (I live in a condo).

While they are connected they do not do it. When they are not connected GH speakers become little broadcasters and put out their own WiFi signal and SSID so their app can find them and connect to them for configuration.

Edited May 8, 2021 by larryllix