someguy Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 so, can someone explain to me what the difference between polyglot and polisy is? Does polyglot run in the cloud and polisy runs on my polisy "computer" at home? if so, why have it running at home if it can run on the cloud? If PG3 is polyglot 3 then I guess polyglot doesn't run on the cloud because it's running on my Polisy now. also: what is PG, PG2, and PG3 relative to one another. I understand that PG3 now permits people to charge for their nodeservers (which is surely good because it'll motivate people to make them and make them well). I guess I need a "for dummies" explanation for this stuff so I can understand it better. (I have a Polisy, and have 6 nodeservers running on it, if that is correct terminology.)
larryllix Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 polisy is a small CPU box hardware that can replace ISY994i and simultaneously hold polyglot and node servers in the same box. ISY994i could only house ISY software. Polyglot is a piece of software that works as a "sidekick" or extension to ISY software. There are various versions of polyglot. PG1 was the original. PG2 is the current running version. Polyglot cloud (PGc) is an option for some. PG3 is the coming version of polyglot (being developed) that can manage compensations for NS writers. Polyglots are basic software that services the node servers that users write. 1
JoelW Posted January 20, 2022 Posted January 20, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 7:56 PM, larryllix said: polisy is a small CPU box hardware that can replace ISY994i and simultaneously hold polyglot and node servers in the same box. ISY994i could only house ISY software. So, if I read this correctly, I will be replacing the ISY9994i box completely once I have the Polisy installed and configured? The Polisy user guide seems to imply that they will be used together with the Polisy system adding node servers to the ISY and the programming will still be in the ISY994i. Now, I am confused!
oberkc Posted January 20, 2022 Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, JoelW said: So, if I read this correctly, I will be replacing the ISY9994i box completely once I have the Polisy installed and configured? Apparently, this is an option. Polisy, in addition to hosting the polyglot node server function, doubles also as an ISY-994. So....both can be present on the Polisy box. Or, continue to use a separate box for the ISY-994 function and the Polisy box for the node servers. I am still a little fuzzy on the pros and cons of either approach. My separate system has been rock solid so I am not convinced that there is a noticeable reliability improvement. Furthermore, you may loose a few functions on the Polisy-hosted ISY-994 (IR comes to mind). On the positive side, I understand that the single-box approach may be faster. I also perceive that the single-box approach is the one supported by universal devices going forward and wonder how long the separate ISY box will be supported. At this point, I am in no hurry to move over to a single-box system, but I am starting to play around with the ISY on Polisy, having just ordered a z-wave stick. I must admit that I am not excited about putting in a bunch of hours to move over to the single box and fear that this is what it will take. 1
JTsao Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 I am also wondering about all of this - the one thing that I am hopeful for is that the Zooz USB dongle works better and has better range than UDI's z-wave module - so I am considering moving the few z-wave devices that I have over to the ISY on Polisy and keeping the many Insteon devices that I have on the original ISY box, then, perhaps at some point in the future I will move over all of the Insteon stuff - I am using a few IR commands on the ISY as well, so I am looking for something to replace that as well
Michel Kohanim Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 @oberkc, The pros are: 1. Much faster 2. Much more resources so, things that we could not do on 994, will only be implemented on Polisy. For instance, we added 64K of storage for strings for network resources only on Polisy. In short development on 994 will become limited With kind regards, Michel 2 1
someguy Posted January 30, 2022 Author Posted January 30, 2022 I'm still trying to figure out differences between the polyglot cloud and the PG2 or PG3 yes, I understand that the cloud one runs in the cloud and the others run on my Polisy in my basement. but why would I want them running in my basement if they could run in the cloud? (I'm assuming my internet connection is 100% stable, even though it is not) also: there is a tesla nodeserver in PG Cloud and on PG2. neither seem to work and I have a ticket in to try to get these fixed, but I'd like to understand why I'd want to run this at home if it can run on the cloud?
lilyoyo1 Posted January 30, 2022 Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, someguy said: I'm still trying to figure out differences between the polyglot cloud and the PG2 or PG3 yes, I understand that the cloud one runs in the cloud and the others run on my Polisy in my basement. but why would I want them running in my basement if they could run in the cloud? (I'm assuming my internet connection is 100% stable, even though it is not) also: there is a tesla nodeserver in PG Cloud and on PG2. neither seem to work and I have a ticket in to try to get these fixed, but I'd like to understand why I'd want to run this at home if it can run on the cloud? Only you can answer why one works better than the other for you. Then again, depending on nodeserver, you may only have the option for cloud based or local based only. Most on here prefer local access to their devices (me included) so they would shun cloud based nodeservers since those require internet access. Even if you have perfect internet, who's to say someone else wouldn't have problems with their server? There are plenty of recent threads talking about the differences between pg2 and pg3 so I'm not going to rehash easily found information. Basically, pg2 is old and pg3 is new/up-coming. Most development is being done on PG3 so there's really no point in worrying about pg2
dbwarner5 Posted February 24, 2022 Posted February 24, 2022 @someguy I understand your points above. FYI, I made the switch about a month ago: ISY from 994i hardware to the Polisy hardware. Am running PG2 and PG3 also on the Polisy. I was using Ring on PGC until PGC went down due to the security concerns. I had previously moved everything away from PGC to PG2 and saw an increase in speed and reliability immediately. Maybe my internet isn't as good as yours. Now with PG2 and PG3 on the polisy, I have migrated 7 Nodeservers from PG2 to PG3, rewarding those developers who have worked hard on making my ISY so much more useful and effective. Bottom line is a HUGE improvement in speed, and overall operation of ISY. For example, when I open Admin console, it loads in about 3 seconds. It used to take upwards of several minutes. Same with Mobilinc, and UD mobile. Backups occur in a few minutes vs 10 minutes or more. The biggest conversion for me was the lose of the Elk module and the new user the Elk Nodeserver. Again, the speed seems to have increased in this conversion, probably again due to a 10 yr old hardware device vs a new hardware device (Polisy). No regrets in the work to accomplish. This node server is top notch. Please note though, many of the aspects of PG3 are still in development and sometimes require using Terminal to SSH to the Polisy for things like updates etc. If you are not comfortable with that, you can simply stay on PG2 on polisy, along with Isy on Polisy (IoP) and you will see a performance upgrade and as PG3 gets further along in its development, move from pg2 to pg3. Good luck! 2
jec6613 Posted February 26, 2022 Posted February 26, 2022 On 1/21/2022 at 12:57 PM, Michel Kohanim said: @oberkc, The pros are: 1. Much faster 2. Much more resources so, things that we could not do on 994, will only be implemented on Polisy. For instance, we added 64K of storage for strings for network resources only on Polisy. In short development on 994 will become limited With kind regards, Michel 3. Much more reliable integration into the PG2/PG3 on Polisy. But holy cow is it much faster. Nighttime automations that would take 20 minutes during which automations could lag up to 30 seconds, are now done in 5 minutes and no commands lag in the meantime. I have ~700 nodes, so that may be part of my issue, but still. 2
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