Does Polisy support adding new X10 devices?

[landolfi]

I was searching for a LampLinc and instead thought I'd just use an old X10 Lamp Module I found first. But when I attempt to add it to ISY on Polisy, I am able to add a new Insteon/X10 device and specify generic X10 as the device type to add, but Polisy just takes all the info I put in and the dialog disappears, and no entry ever appears in the device tree. Does this mean that Polisy only supports migrated X10 devices and not new ones?

[Geddy]

I don't know first hand, but there have been a few other posts about X10 working with IoP. Seems to be hit and miss. Here's one that might help:

 

[landolfi]

Thanks. I already have a single migrated from ISY X10 device that works fine, but the issue is that I am trying to add a new X10 device and not getting an error message but also not getting any result. The quoted post mentions trying a different outlet, I have already tried that without success. I just need to get the Polisy to add the X10 module and I'm pretty sure the rest will be fine.

[oskrypuch]

I don't think that you actually add an X10 device, like you would an Insteon or ZWave device.

You just use the X10 codes in your program, that correspond to the device, and they get there. That is what I recall doing in some ancient code I had for an X-10 ding-donger.

Perhaps you can, but I never did. The below worked.

* Orest

dingdong - [ID 0007][Parent 0041][Not Enabled]

If
   - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition')
 
Then
        Send X10 'P9/On (3)'
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
 

 

Edited August 13, 2022 by oskrypuch

[landolfi]

Thanks! I forgot about this.

The weird thing is, adding the device as if it was an Insteon device worked for me on ISY and the option is there to do it on Polisy too. But ultimately it doesn't matter as long as I can control the device.

Edited August 13, 2022 by landolfi

[oskrypuch]

But, ISY has no way of interrogating the X10 device, to see what address it has. So, the only way to control it, is by sending X10 commands.

It may be that you can link an X10 address for a device, so you can address it by name as well in ISY -- but clearly you are still responsible for manually inputting that info. And if you change the X10 address on the device, you'd have to manually change it in ISY again.

* Orest

Edited August 15, 2022 by oskrypuch

[Brian H]

Since almost all  presently available X10 devices are strictly receive only. They have no power line transmitter to even reply to a interrogation if it was available.

[lilyoyo1]

I suspect the x10 module doesnt exist on polisy which allows you to add x10 to the device list like it does for 994. Since you ported to the Isy, the original came over with it but new add-ons aren't possible which means you'll need the code via programs

[AAuclair]

My experience with X-10 devices and ISY is that X-10 devices do not have capability to communicate like Insteon devices and they do not display in the list of installed devices.  X-10 devices will be discovered, however, and I was successful in writing simple programs to say turn a switch on and off.  You can then "run" that program in other actions to include the switch in a more elaborate scheme.  This approach also worked after migrating to IoP.  X-10, however, is power line only and requires an AC PLM or a dual mode Insteon device to relay the signal.  My PLM failed and I replaced it with a USB PLM and since then, I have lost communication with my 2 remaining x-10 wall switches.

[Brian H]

Where you using the A10/X0 add on firmware?

Wiki indicates. "Using the A10/X10 module A10 and X10 devices can be added to the node tree."

Yes the 2448A7 wireless interface, is strictly Insteon RF signaling. So you would loose X10.

[landolfi]

11 hours ago, Brian H said:

Where you using the A10/X0 add on firmware?

Wiki indicates. "Using the A10/X10 module A10 and X10 devices can be added to the node tree."

In my case I was running ISY 5.3.4 and adding A10/X10 was available in the Link Management menu (still there  on IoP 5.4.4 as "New Insteon/A10/X10 Device"). It added the device to the tree on ISY, but not on Polisy, so it could be the menu item is just misnamed and the A10/X10 functionality to add to tree deprecated.

In case you are wondering why I'd want to add it to the tree, it was to make setting it up for Alexa spoken a step or two simpler since it could be treated as a device rather than a program.

Edited August 24, 2022 by landolfi